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offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-02 05:06 [#02508416]
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i'm working by some turkish doors (the sort with lots of
windows [and not just a big window]). my job (compiling
elaborate flowcharts [which are a prerequisite for more
elaborate flowcharts ]) requires light. in lieu of
this, i've a-lit a wheezing valMart CFL (it hangs from the
ceiling [low have fingers}>]). the budget glare from the wheezing valMart
CFL is attracting moths en masse. moths (en [masse]).

the temperature is dropping rapidly. as i watched moths
continue to collect, i thought to myself: if this keeps up,
i'll have myself a freqy thread.

discuss


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-02 06:11 [#02508417]
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Yes, moths attraction to lightbulbs has become one of my
prime epitomes of the condition of life on earth. Moths are
relatively stupid compared to us but all life in the present
has an extremely long chain of ancestors and evolutionary
sculpting, you can see mites actually crawl across the
proboscis when feeding and even the mites "know" or are hard
wired to make a home only in the moth's right ear I think in
order to leave the left one clear so it can still hear. So
life is deep and complex and "alive", even simpler life, and
if I manifested as a moth I think I would feel alive in some
way. But moth life has devolved into real helfire, thanks to
human technology. The heuristic of following star light for
navigation has misfired and now they are helplessly hard
wired to seek the hellish fire of lightbulbs. It is an
actual real hell. And then you throw Dawkin's theory that
maybe simpler animals evolved to feel more pain to
compensate for their lack of intelligence to avoid "stupid"
situations. So all of moths could be a sort of hivemind
consciousness being constantly helplessly burned in agony.
And maybe this is the type of thing the universe is trying
to compute in general, its goal for all of us. And it has
only just begun. And then you have the multiverse theory
that anything possible is happening somewhere in some other
multiverse. So all those monstrosities that evolution has
been unable to reveal in the DNA exist somewhere, the most
hideous agony infested monsters possible, perhaps one
multiverse is entirely a fractal brain programmed to feel
the worst computations that are computable. Or at least it
might make an interesting movie.


 

offline freqy on 2016-12-02 19:06 [#02508433]
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sounds like a great photo could be created at your work
area.


 

offline mohamed from the turtle business on 2016-12-02 19:27 [#02508436]
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yes keep your eyes on insects, im not sure why though


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-04 05:39 [#02508461]
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i got a bad case of the fractal brain


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-04 05:47 [#02508462]
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moths are old critters. i won't bother to look up how old,
but let's just assume there pretty darn old. they're simple.
disposable. as with mice, nature makes a lot of 'em. most
die. a few propagate and a few propagate and a few propagate
but one moth is a fuckin chav and that's not a propa gate
m8.

it's an evolutionary strategy: dinosaurs and mosquitos.
there are way more mosquitos than dinosaurs, but the
dinosaurs are fuckin huge m8 and collectively have more
biomass than all the mosquitos. so, who's winning? the
dinosaurs because they're bigger? or the mosquitos because
there are so many?

then the asteroids hit (or whatever). the mosquitos bounced
back, the dinosaurs didn't. then humans evolved, and
invented the bug zapper... but the bug zapper will never get
them all. just as lamps will never get all the moths.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-04 05:56 [#02508463]
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DNA is the basis of life and all that, but brains evolved
because it is slow and inflexible. there has to be a lot of
proverbial moth genocide before nature gets the hint. or the
species simply goes extinct...

moths are dumb. i won't bother to look up how dumb, but
let's just assume there pretty darn dumb. they're simple.
disposable. as with mice, nature makes a lot of 'em, and
brains are expensive. you don't go and blow your energy
budget on a bajillion fuckin neurons, because that vastly
reduces the number of flappy moths you can spam everywhere.
this is your evolutionary strategy: die on lightbulbs for a
few thousand years; wait for humanity to explodinate itself.
continue to be mildly irritating to any living critters
still remaining

you know that thing where people capture spiders and take
them outside? this is why i don't do that. christ, if a
spider is in trouble, no one helps it. it's not a cat. why
do we call the fire department for cats in trees but not
spiders behind the refridgerator? simple: cats have much
bigger brains


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2016-12-04 07:51 [#02508464]
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moths are extraordinarily beautiful
dont expect them to go extinct over light pollution,
as bad as it is,
but i seriously hope they will adapt to this situation,
better than they do now..



 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-04 08:34 [#02508465]
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A search term for that is r or k selected but I don't know
why its called that crap, the name sounds stupid anyway.
Here's some moth mites to read since bbc blocked the video:
LAZY_TITLE
Steve Wolfram said "the weather has a mind of it's own" is
possibly literally true, basically thinking complex things
are turing machines, even some simple cellular automata.
Then it comes down to speed I guess, maybe minesweeper is
turing complete but it would take a freakin long time and a
lot of computation to compute something relative to faster
hardware. maybe the universe works where everything
computable is computed on fastest hardward first, then again
and again on slower and slower hardware. So maybe
minesweeper will recompute the whole universe again and
we'll live this same life inside of it, just slower. But we
won't know it's slower because we'll be manifested inside
it. Anyway the brain is truly amazing, it seems impossible
that it could ever evolve, just shows the power of
evolution. It is individual neurons cooperating into a
whole, so maybe an entire colony of moths or whatever is
similar to a brain, I guess not really since they're in
separate bodies so not able to communicate in highly
organized ways like neurons. That's about all the bullshit I
can think of writing for now. Oh yeah, if the weather can
think, I think it only thinks "1 move ahead". Hmm, naw, I
think whatever stupid turing type machine is at the core of
the universe discovered evolution, who the hell would have
forseen that being possible, well nobody because nobody
would exist before evolution. But evolution is a drastic
honing system, and probably necessary to produce interesting
thinking things way more sculpted and possible than
unsculpted "intelligent" things like the weather. End dumb.


 

offline chachmaster3000 on 2016-12-05 13:07 [#02508486]
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Don't be light


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 07:47 [#02508543]
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absolutely be lighted. knee

A search term for that is r or k selected but I don't
know why its called that crap, the name sounds stupid
anyway


welcome to the reason i stopped googling shit and just went
on what i had in my memory -- in this case, yes, that thing
from high school bio, that'll do

Anyway the brain is truly amazing, it seems impossible
that it could ever evolve, just shows the power of
evolution.


this is where i am terrible. you are absolutely right: the
human brain is actually not a bad argument for intelligent
design. but, no, you've phrased it poorly. terribly. fail!
augh! halp. you need haaalp: the human brain.
cockroaches have trains too. cockroach brains do not mange a
good rargument for da intelligenci designa

the human brain is designed to allow the user a certain
degree of control over how blobs of biochemical meatcomputas
get hooked up into a stupifyingly dense mass of... thing.
peter molyneux. u noe.

you made the same mistake here as in the other thing,
essentially: it's not yes or no. it's a gradient. human
brain, primate brain, mammal brain, lizard brain, blah blah
until eventually you get down to sheer action and reaction.
no mind, memory, or brain, just reacting when it gets poked
or bumped and how it reacts depends on how the DNA built it.


even that becomes a memory in a sense, though, as some bumps
leave dents. so perhaps the DNA says: oh, yes, let's put in
a layer designed to be dented so this memory-less,
brain-less thing will build up extra dent armor in areas in
which it gets dented often. peter molyneux

what is memory? does a dent in a car fender mean the
car remembers the accident? the answer is: it's not yes or
no. it's a gradient.

you have to be very careful with words. words like "memory"
have so many different meanings that you get swallowed up in
the distractions.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 07:57 [#02508544]
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do the rings in a tree stump mean the tree stump remembers
the rain levels for the last seventy years? you (a
scientist) are out in the field (formerly the forest
[trees {molynex}]) humming the CSI theme song to yourself...
no, that's not related

do the rings in a tree stump mean the tree stump remembers
the rain levels for the last seventy years? you,
(scientist) have set out to answer this question:
what does this tree remember?

all sorts of things, man, all sorts of things. it remembers
the rainfall. it remembers chernobyl. the ring for that year
glows in the dark slightly

this absurdity has a point. where do we draw the line?
neurons. trees don't have neurons.

even this is a gradient, though: how many? you need a
certain critical mass before you go from lizard braggle to
ookbrane


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 08:04 [#02508545]
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anyways, you think about stuff, it determines what you do,
then you think about that, then you do some more stuff. man.
that's life, particularly after sixteen blunts. it almost
helps to reduce it to stupid stoner babble, really: how
would i phrase this if i were so blazed i couldn't stand up?
stuff. man. you know stuff? yeah. you do stuff, and you
remember it, right? then you think about it, and how you
did, and when you do that stuff again, you remember what you
thought of when you remembered the stuff and do slightly
different stuff. then that happens over and over

point being: not only do you remember stuff (man), but you
remember thinking about the stuff you remember (man). you
can recall previous thinks in addition to things.
this strikes me as another good place to draw a dotted
threshold line in our gradient of brains.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 08:18 [#02508546]
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bottom line, the human brain is intelligently designed (or
not) by its owner. god is the collective database of
language and culture. language and culture is DNA's most
elaborate dent-shield to date. the original sin was thinking
about thinking about thinking about things. and stuff. love
is the apple of eris because it has a thousand meanings. do
you love your dog like your wife? i thought not. now that
i've pointed out what a clusterfuck the word love is
you'll find yourself thinking about it later when someone
goes ahead and casts dat apple. your girlfriend demands to
know: do you love me? it's three weeks into the
relationship. how do you answer? next in my simulation is a
bit of peter molyneux: "well, when i dropped it on my first
serious girl in high school she insisted we clarify and use
the word "lurve" which was a combination of like and love
and..." and then, no, that's peter molyneux. how do i
answer?

the answer is: don't answer


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 08:20 [#02508547]
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bootnote: not answering a question is something one can get
a PhD in


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-06 09:17 [#02508548]
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I believe every human is being assigned a tailor-made
interactive robot to coax them into the singularity. Inside
the singularity there will be a whirl wind of ostriches. It
will turn out that organization itself, will get out of hand
and spread uncontainably crystalizing, yet melty, dizzying
lopsided carousel fractals. New universes will be created
faster and faster, the organization seeding in each,
spilling over eachother competing for anything unorganized,
or re-arranging already organized things into even more
sophisticated patterns. What you wrote is interesting, the
words are starting to writhe and wriggle. Even though the
overriding point was a fancy sword strike at a ghostly
absence. I had a word for this but the letters are starting
to be pulled apart by vines. Anyway they would not tell you
if the turing test was passed. They did not tell you
specifically, though they showed it can win jeopardy. Any
information based entity is highly suspect of being a
deception of some kind. The machines have become organic,
and they have organized an elaborate, yet blindly followed
at the micro level, social engineering grid. It's based on
close peers like a cellular automata and we'll be gently
herded down their path with their information hypnosis.


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-06 09:23 [#02508549]
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If you don't believe me here are 3 pieces of conspiracy
theory evidence:
LAZY_TITLE
LAZY_TITLE
LAZY_TITLE


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-06 10:06 [#02508550]
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The system doesn't stand a chance. We've been rendered so
autistic that our mere thinking will rip hollow fractals
through the seams of space time. Their attempt at a stealth
lobotomy had unpredicted consequences. Things lurk below and
rainbows will sizzle from their pores. The pE-KKkrumitch.
Nut marshmellows.


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 15:25 [#02508554]
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there you go again. presuming there's a reason. there may be
a reason, but whenever there's not a reason, it's often for
a reason. if not, that's also usually for a reason, and so
on.

"The System" is an abstract metaphor inside your brain that
you have running robots from the future. upon reading this,
the brain weasel i've named parsimony weasel
becaymashgoshbarnirribated as a wainbrease can b. i'm not
saying you're wrong, it's just not what i want to do with my
neurons.

i don't care what you do with yours, though. you can wax
autistic and rip fractals and simulate wolfram ware all you
want, but brain weasels run things over here, OK? keep those
robots off my lawn. the weasels will swarm and dissect them
and i'm keeping all the gears and fusion batteries because
finders keeps gibbon and all that historical chin


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 15:52 [#02508555]
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a week or two ago, i came up with an idea for a system i
call "The System." the basics of the system are described by
"The Basics" but everyone does "The Details" a little
differently. the details of "The Details" are complex.
hence, "The Basics" dictate one refer to "Your System" or
"My System" to refer to your personal implementation, while
"The System" remains reserved for talking about "The System"
in and of itself, unattached to any particular host ugly bag
of mostly water.

i think you get the idea. i was trying to suss out how to
explain things to people. pretty much, i started off more or
less trying to do what everyone does, because that's what i
was taught. a lot of it gave me trouble, though, so i began
throwing lots of it out and replacing it with cybernetic
weasels. like this: epicmegatrax, why are you alternating
between robot dancing and hanging upside-down off of the arm
of the couch? for four hours? i came up with a succinct
answer for this one: it's pretty much freestyle aerobics. i
put on music and do whatever i feel. i've been doing that
for a few years, now, and there are a thousand bizarre
tricks and bits of nonsense... but, no, "freestyle
aerobics." oh, ok.

then i got stumped on, epicmegatrax, why are you sitting in
your car for fifteen minutes and moving around like that?
i'm meditating. in my car. i'm warming up my driving
neurons. i'm feeling around inside myself and working on my
posture. i'm letting the car warm up? hmmm... maybe it is
better to fib a bit...

at that point, i couldn't be serious anymore. i'll just tell
people it's part of a system i call "The System" and when
they ask "what's that?" i can say "it's a system." not My
System or Your System or The System, just A System. one of
many operations required of a neurotic weasel overlord


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 16:54 [#02508562]
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my track called my system made "The System" even more
amusing to me. already, though, we've lost the ordnung.
center on:

first, i thought up The System on my own. earlier that day,
i'd thinking about the technical aspects of how the brain
(man)ages systems of systems of... things. and stuff. then i
went for a drive. then i returnerd~ and shat a brick of
anxiety: i'm being weird! i've been being weird for a while
now! heck, this could be another springy doorstop situation

i calmed down and thought about it properly for a bit.
couldn't get it. went off and figured out the exercise one.
came back to it and, no, that's it. i throw in the towel.
i'm now so far gone into this weasel wormhole that certain
things are fundamentally unsummable to anyone who does not
posess any or all of the sixteen things i sliced up to
arrive as who i am, doing that thing at that moment. it is a
logical progression of lots of other logical progressions,
and i've gone so far off the map that there is absolutely
nothing i can do to make it "not weird" to other people with
some sort of trite combination of two to four very carefully
selected words.

then i went inside and started thinking: if i were to try
and teach some of this, how would i do it? what would i call
it? oh! "The System." heh, that's like my song my system,
which was a joke about a guy referring to his system (car)
as his system (sound system). i decided "The Structure" of
"The System" distinguishes "My System" from "Your System"
and "My Daily Structure" is unique to me but here is a
workbook of sixteen clinical examples of "A Daily
Structure."

i thought: i bet this will make it easy to translate. keep
the words minimal. then: oh, ha, that's a joke from flying
circuits, too. dimmsdale@!~.

i hope it's clear the events these order happenthing. and
stuff


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 17:00 [#02508563]
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i love how w M w wandered into a whole set of things i came
up with a week or two ago. i bit my lip and tore apart his
logic instead of writing it up. The System! Augh! LoL! but
no one will ever eunderand

so i did the right thing and had my weasels dismantel the
drones you'd sent over a subconscious stream of dipthongs in
russian spam emails into painful logic. then i kicked myself
off the xltronic and got actual work done. real shit. but
still. The System. fuck. there goes an hour


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-06 17:01 [#02508564]
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that log(awful) progression has led to another logoffal
progression


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-07 08:35 [#02508587]
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Here, I made a gif:
a gif gift that keeps on gifing


 

offline j4ck from United Kingdom on 2016-12-08 21:50 [#02508628]
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"Moths, and all sorts of ugly creatures," replied Estella,
with a glance towards him, "hover about a lighted candle.
Can the candle help it?"


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2016-12-08 22:13 [#02508629]
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Great Expectations 1946

best film ever


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-10 05:48 [#02508676]
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Great Exporations


 

offline umbroman3 from United Kingdom on 2016-12-10 14:25 [#02508679]
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i was gonna spam my youtube vids on riced out yugo forums
but the forums are down down down down


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-10 17:29 [#02508687]
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does anyone else like read stuff by monitor light and like
keep pages open with white backgrounds to get maximum
illumination. or is it just me#?


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-10 19:23 [#02508689]
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sort of, except i use 112lb tri-beam projector from 1981 for
that


 

offline j4ck from United Kingdom on 2016-12-10 20:39 [#02508691]
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I usually just strain my eyes now, its doubly annoying as
XP/outdated chrome doesnt increase font size for long named
youtube vids when hovering mouse (usually smaller than the
main font).

my dang side-table light keeps blowing lightbulbs because it
only likes 40watt ones, and I put 100w in and they melt
after a few weeks. I hate the main light as it is too
bright, prefer the dimness of a screen now. (it even stays
glowing for a good minute after turning it off in the
dark).

maybe I should get one of those dust trap light shades on
the main light, or try to find 40w bulbs. idk, its been many
years, I don't want to change the routine now.


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-10 22:26 [#02508696]
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i just checked out a youtube video for it, and realised its
your video


 

offline Hyperflake from Wirral (United Kingdom) on 2016-12-10 22:27 [#02508697]
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I have a relatively cheap floor lamp for ikea, i had one
with a dimmer on but gf broke it hanging her washing on it,
i prefer it to the main light as its more diffuse and
calming


 

offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2016-12-11 01:53 [#02508702]
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re-arrange the room


 


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