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preatlas
from Saint Petersburg (United States) on 2013-08-04 06:27 [#02460486]
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I just put on "cubist reggae" and wondered what happened to snares? Used to not go a week without a new album and now hardly anything. Guess the style wore out or somethin
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-04 14:46 [#02460494]
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The latest he did was a remix for tribazik and I'm pretty sure his best album will follow
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obara
from Utrecht on 2013-08-04 15:16 [#02460495]
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why is he so idm-famous ? are druqks the answer ? just askin', not hatin', just wonderin'
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big
from lsg on 2013-08-04 15:32 [#02460496]
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because he doesn't just cater to the idm crowd, which is, like, three persons. but also a broad alternative or whatever crowd. i'm sure autechre, aphex and the other idm stars didn't want to cater to the intelligent dance music crowd, but that did happen.
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big
from lsg on 2013-08-04 15:33 [#02460497]
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well aphex reached a bit beyond the idm crowd, but people still assume he makes 'smart' music.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-04 17:44 [#02460498]
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He made a lot of experimental electronic music, his Beats are also very complex and there are also a lot of hidden layers in his music, for me he's one off the best IDM musicians out there because you can really dance you're ass off too! :-)
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auspex
on 2013-08-04 19:58 [#02460499]
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i thought he was dead
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2013-08-05 07:25 [#02460518]
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Yah, lotta nice YT vids of snares music slowed down (aphex as well) and complexity and attention to detail shines through. Puts a lot of wannabe "complex beat makers" to shame.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2013-08-05 18:08 [#02460528]
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His music's always been too aggressive to my senses. while I love many dsp-mad tracks from the likes of e.g. Squarepusher or one Aphex Twin - VSnares has always seemed to me a drunk/drugged copycat. where form exceeds content. I listened to some tracks, studied some xlt threads on him - to no avail.
Yeah, "complexity and attention to detail" - but why ? It's like RDJ's son showing his dad he can make fucked up 666 bpm beats too.
I'm in a wrong thread I guess. I don't understand his music. Respek.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-05 22:11 [#02460536]
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Spoke to him about drugs but he only drinks beer and smoked a joint many many years ago. I love the aggression in his music, everybody has his own taste I guess, there has been a lot is discussion going on (also in here) about whether he is good or not, there are lovers and haters, I don't like all his stuff but I'm definitely a lover.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2013-08-05 22:48 [#02460538]
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he did a little interview about his gadgets not so longggg ago
LAZY_TITLE i like the bit about his listening spot,, is interstrething,
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2013-08-05 23:10 [#02460539]
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it completely shows. maybe he'd make some more appreciable music if he chilled out once in a while. that one album he supposedly made while half asleep was prolly the best overall work ive heard from him.
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steve mcqueen
from caerdydd (United Kingdom) on 2013-08-05 23:14 [#02460540]
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which one is tht?
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obara
from Utrecht on 2013-08-06 04:23 [#02460543]
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yeah, which one is that ?
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2013-08-06 05:51 [#02460544]
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Aaron Funk Sleepytime Musics
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dependency
on 2013-08-06 06:32 [#02460545]
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Vsnares isn't Juggalo enough.
Read he doesn't speak french!
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dependency
on 2013-08-06 06:39 [#02460546]
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Who does he work for?
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2013-08-06 06:52 [#02460548]
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Last step - sleep
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dependency
on 2013-08-06 06:57 [#02460549]
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eat it baguette dude
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IJO
on 2013-08-06 11:25 [#02460555]
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i used to like his stuff a lot. so brutal and heavy. always had it in my car. this was some 8 years ago. now i find it too heavy and too disturbing. i could listen to aphex forever though.
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melack
from barcielwave on 2013-08-06 11:59 [#02460556]
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im with obbie here, even if i have enjoyed some tunes and albums, i never really standed his destructive side... its like hes fucking good and then he just destroys the thing and makes me want stop listening...
but hes a hell of a experience while playing live, the big viking on the scene, melting drill beats like its mere electricity...
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2013-08-06 16:31 [#02460562]
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i liked his early full-on gabber shit but it was always in small doses. i still think the moonglow / this bitter earth ep is easily the best thing he's ever done
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obara
from Utrecht on 2013-08-06 19:56 [#02460576]
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Ah, that one. I remember listening to it but can't recall much.
I think I'd appreciate him in live situation, yeah.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-08-07 02:41 [#02460583]
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"For a period I would literally do crack all night and then after I came down I’d sleep a couple hours, get up and do music. I would twist the music until it gave me the same rush I got from the crack, that full euphoric adrenalin blast. Bit of a dangerous experiment but a couple of wicked 12's came as a result. Those were strange days."
- Aaron Funk in an interview in Wire, April 2005
rossz celiac blatt stuttgart or whatever is good when you wake up early in the morning and want to attack the day. i don't give two shits if he cribbed all the strings from some classical boffin; i'd probably hate it without his beats. i remember how the blasts of bass in "hajnal" would cause my dog to sit and stare at the speaker, doing the rca dog thing.
winnipeg is a frozen shithole is just over the top and sophomoric, and i love it. can't stand to listen to it often, some of the tracks are crap skippers, but every now and then it's precisely the right thing. like, during an ice storm.
detrimentalist is good like eating whipped cream from the can: good for the first few blasts, then gets boring. you put it back in the fridge for a while, and it regains its potential to be a sugary pleasant thing for a brief period.
hospitality i remember being ok but i never got into it, ditto for huge chrome cylinder. don't know much else.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-08-07 02:42 [#02460584]
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also, i went back and got 7sevens.med or whatever, EP he cited in the interview for the crack rush period, and it was like: wow, the quality on this is shit. not the craftsmanship, but the recording and sampling rate and bit depth and all that. sounds like a ghetto blaster grafted to the anus of a vax 11/750
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2013-08-07 11:19 [#02460588]
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Whilst deeep high on synthetic cannabis shit, I was listening to Ultraviolent Junglist, and it was somewhat frightening. I could sense a violence and aggression that I cannot experience from the track totally sober, but it could be cuz the synthetic shiz totally amplifies paranoia, etc. But anyway, Snares gets deep as fuck on drugs, buuuuuuut I suppose most anything does.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-07 19:52 [#02460604]
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I wonder if there are people who can do better beat programming than mr snares, these beats are so fucking complex..besides that his music has so many layers and varies from ambient to hardcore gabber... in my eyes this guy is an IDM God. But then you've the question: what is IDM? For me IDM is all about experimental electronic music...and that is what he does: experimenting with electronic music.
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belb
from mmmmmmhhhhzzzz!!! on 2013-08-07 22:22 [#02460606]
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maybe i need to do a loosiv and listen at half speed but i honestly don't get what's so great in vsnares "complexity". music needs space to breatheLAZY_TITLE
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Sano
on 2013-08-07 22:27 [#02460607]
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Most jungle tunes from early 90's sound more more complex to me than anything VS has made, the odd time signatures just make it seem more complex I think.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-08-07 23:01 [#02460609]
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jungle isn't vsnares, and vsnares isn't jungle. he has his own thing, and he has it down pat. is it complex? who cares! you either like it or you don't.
i'd guess his slowdown in recent vsnares output is due to a few things: more aliases/collaboration (last step, speed dealer moms) and kiddies getting extremely good at ripping off the style he developed. might also be getting older and easing off the crack before he dies.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-07 23:09 [#02460611]
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I'm not only talking about the jungle beats in his music..
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-08-07 23:11 [#02460612]
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p.s.
people (myself included) used to give him grief for being lo-fi in between the cracks. like, if you slow down 54 Cymru Beats and drop it next to some winnipeg-era snares shizz, aphex's bank of live-controlled concuntor drum modules sounds much smoother than a snare pitched 14 steps.
he's really come a long way in this regard... i remember hospitality in particular as the point where it was like: this doesn't sound as chunky digital as he usually does. i think he started using modulars and such more.
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2013-08-08 04:50 [#02460627]
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VS is not just "complex", his beatz have flow and rhythm. This became even more apparent when everyone thought they were breakcore masters, and were just doing fast and boring, pointless shit. In general, VS takes the mind on a nice journey, ups and downs, fast and slows, ins and outs, etc.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2013-08-08 04:57 [#02460628]
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have you used renoise?
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jnasato
from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2013-08-08 08:28 [#02460639]
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I used it when it first came out, yah. But I do not use it. Are you referring to how it's easy to trigger a shitload of sample bits by furiously hitting the keys, etc.?
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Sano
on 2013-08-08 18:29 [#02460674]
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So what? Squarepusher destroys anything VS ever did in terms of complexity, amens or not. Jungle has a lot of layers too, sometimes more than one break rolling at a time. VS drums are so basic, I don't see the complexity other than the time signatures.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2013-08-08 18:46 [#02460675]
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yes, not 'furiously hitting the keys' though.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-08 19:07 [#02460676]
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have I ever said squarepusher isn't? I love mr squarepusher, maybe ,ore than m snares..who knows... But please start listening to ALL vsnares his albums before saying anything more about him. Maybe one day you'll understand how great he is..if not: it's ok and I don't care..we all have our own taste in music.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2013-08-08 19:08 [#02460677]
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,ore than m snares= more than mr. snares
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Fah
from Netherlands, The on 2013-08-08 22:10 [#02460684]
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Good old endless music discussions.
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Sano
on 2013-08-09 01:21 [#02460697]
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Yes you were questioning if there was anyone better than VS at drum programming, which I said yes there's loads better than him. I've listened to everything he did, I think his drums are way better now, I would guess anything past Renoise work but my favorite is probably the Snares Man EP, polka with the amen is just brilliant to me.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2013-08-09 18:17 [#02460709]
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I remember really enjoying that "Roszczczilakqg" album. Mad beats vs strings, interesting idea. I guess you might say it's his "hit album". Yes/no ?
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2013-08-10 01:25 [#02460714]
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LAZY_DOWNFALL
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retape
from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2013-08-10 01:54 [#02460715]
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xyrem
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-08-10 02:59 [#02460716]
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rossz is definitely his most bro-friendly album, for sure.
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