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robbie_eleckt
from time to time on 2013-03-17 18:03 [#02451805]
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how do you know how to structure a track ? it's some pain in the ass sometimes.
you're developing this lush loop and you've been with it for an hour and now it's time to add a bridge....or move on to the next part of the track....or not ? how do you know when and how to do it ?
we're not talking about idm super hit songs here cause they just...happen - and/or are based on psycho-acoustic tricks, innit ? just kiddin' [???]
how do you deal with it ?
apart from the times when "the sound just guides you and you just know it" - thx, smart ass: I've made a dozen of worldwide acclaimed idm hits myself. they just haven't been aired yet.
tell me. teach me. help me. thanks.
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RussellDust
on 2013-03-17 18:26 [#02451806]
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The age old 'is this track finished?' thing. It's subjective and to each his own way of dealing with it.
As for structure you shouldn't bother too much. Just make something you wanna hear.
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Squawk
on 2013-03-17 19:19 [#02451817]
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dont be precious about your loop. see if you can make better loops. then string them together randomly. record automation in live. then go back and edit what you've done.
that's how i approach things
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-03-17 21:22 [#02451830]
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this might help
more
etc
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mappatazee
from ¨y¨z¨| (Burkina Faso) on 2013-03-18 00:01 [#02451835]
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powers of 2, man
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2013-03-18 00:15 [#02451837]
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I would have never guessed it was random!
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2013-03-18 00:56 [#02451838]
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I'm only saying this because kids might have a look in here by accident.
Squark is bitter music and not fun! Not many people liked squarks music because he wasn't very nice.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-03-18 09:03 [#02451853]
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i was going to post that, but i decided to be nice. just goes to show, there's no need to bother with that on xlt
p.s. it doesn't sound bitter to me, simply lazy.... like it smoked too much weed, and consequently can't be arsed to do anything but act like a roomba trapped in a corner. moving back and forth a few inches at a time; never really getting anywhere. vacuuming the same slice of carpet repeatedly, until the battery dies. don't worry goon, i know the feeling
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big
from lsg on 2013-03-18 12:35 [#02451869]
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WE PRAISE THE ASSETS OF HOUSE
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-03-20 00:58 [#02452077]
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STACKED_LOOPS
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2013-03-20 01:50 [#02452081]
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intro verse bridge verse chorus bridge short verse chorus x2 solo chorus outro .. pluck more at the verse and turn on distortion and play power chords at the chorus. ask the audience questions and make air guitar gestures during the solo.
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magliore
on 2013-03-20 02:20 [#02452083]
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twanga
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2013-03-20 02:56 [#02452086]
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modulate
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-03-20 03:55 [#02452096]
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now do a tangerine dream live gig.
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big
from lsg on 2013-03-20 09:18 [#02452108]
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i hope this is some in- playful joke, otherwise this'd be pretty i r o n i c
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big
from lsg on 2013-03-20 09:23 [#02452110]
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Anyway, this is a good starting point for STRUCTURE (actually, it all I know).
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melack
from barcielwave on 2013-03-20 10:45 [#02452111]
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hei robbie, i dont have an answer to your question (more than the smartass one) but i sometimes after having a nice loop i try to develop variations of it (mainly melodic) until i find something different enough to construct a second part of the tune. Then the structure builds itself, from part 1 transforming to part 2 and etc...
it may also be helpfull thinking narrative, like pretending to tell a story with the music, a travel or whatever. i once did a tune that pretended to be the cycle of the water. starting into a domestic house-toilet, then tune turning into a more flowing opened style pretending into river, then turning into more dark when arriving and diving into the sea...
i dont really know if that is what you was asking, i guess your were expecting a more musical approach... you can think about themes ABC etc and structure in different ways. you can make 4 themes B, E, I, and O, then structure them frist O, then B, then B again, then I an finally E... ;)
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2013-03-20 11:06 [#02452112]
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i have an answer: just unroll the loop. copy and paste that fucker a few dozen times. then delete stuff until there's an intro. by the time you've done that, you should have some clues what to do next, and doing those things will give you more clues. if this doesn't help, give up and go to the pub.
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