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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-09-30 19:57 [#02442104]
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YES it's INTELIGENT TRAP MUSIC.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-09-30 20:11 [#02442106]
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my intelligent trap music is more intelligent than your intelligent trap music
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2012-09-30 20:18 [#02442107]
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Its all good/quirky/its a trappy, but I like all before :34 best (and after 1:28). Bass drum might sound more gangsta if like 4x volume (and snaredrum too maybe not sure)
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-09-30 20:33 [#02442108]
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oooh im liking some of the stereo stuff going on with the little vocal bits, very cool stuff there.
i'd agree with wmw, but instead of increasing volume, maybe just layer another kick with the low end eq'd out? imo 808s work best with some other, more aggressive midrangy kick (like in my linked track)
good stuff tho, the melody is killer, and it doesn't have any "whuh" or "yeahs" on the up-beat, which is always a plus.
would love to hear what you think of mine, seems we're moving along the same trajectory, kind of. maybe a collab in the futures?
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-09-30 20:51 [#02442110]
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james bond walks into an intelligent trap!!
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-09-30 21:36 [#02442115]
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sorry man but that's totally post-trap !
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-09-30 21:41 [#02442116]
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post-future-intelli-trap-step-core
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-09-30 22:36 [#02442118]
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trappers keepers.
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Haft
from Tublin (Ireland) on 2012-09-30 22:42 [#02442120]
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I haven't been as entertained by something new as I was by that video/track combo Epic, thanks for that. I don't think I'd listen to the track by itself, though some of the percussive parts and the bass drop at 0:51 are fairly tasty
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Haft
from Tublin (Ireland) on 2012-09-30 22:43 [#02442121]
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*as entertained in a while
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-09-30 23:03 [#02442122]
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i love that sound design in the track of yours. although the ideas wear out a little after 2 minutes i would prefer either something suprising or just cutting it off as it will still be a perfect tool for playing. as far as i understand this is meant to be more sketch. still i forwarded it to my dj friend.
all in all, love your approach - listened to a few other tracks and i'm quite suprised that i haven't visited your profile before. but ye, talking about strict inteligence my track is definitely pre-school-era.
although my statement about the length of the track also applies to your other stuff. imho the whole essence of this type of music is to make the tracks as compact as possible. i know from a dj-stand-point that it is pretty much difficult not to drop the next track after a minute or so.
as to these comments towards my track:
- the vocals ar actually totally stolen. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1NGoZuxzuBk&t=1m10s. used these a few times. can;t be arsed about sample clearance. as you can see that weird panning is basically built in.
- the problem with the bass drum is that darksideish bass which uses just so much bottom end in this track. actually before i applied that heavy side-chain on top of it the kickdrum was barely audible even being much louder than the rest of the channels. one idea that came to my mind is to hipass that darksideish bass a bit, add an 808 kick as mentioned and repeat the melody, which might end up quite cool.
- problem is with the mastering that it is pretty crude with a stock ableton multiband comp on the master just trying to glue shit together.
- actually i am thinking of erasing that beginning and end part with that very atmospheric synth and using the preset in another track. i stumbled about it when searching for other sounds and now i think i might give it another chance by itself.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-09-30 23:04 [#02442123]
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man, after so many years i still fuck up links...
lazy vocals
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-09-30 23:07 [#02442124]
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- still, as for about 7-8 hours of work, no experience whatsoever in syncopated sounds, hip-hop, trap music, sampling, i am pretty much pleased with the outcome.
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corticalstim
from Canada on 2012-09-30 23:41 [#02442125]
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This thread has the best trap music I have ever heard, props sadist, hedphukker
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-10-01 00:25 [#02442131]
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- well this doesn't really work with that 808 bass LAZY_bass. i got the impression that making the kick loudr by even a fraction just makes the track sound like from a behind a door. also that darkside bass just doesn't work anymore without the bottom.
- i actually exported this two times in wav, as again i have just realised how much really mp3 kills bass. actually tbh when i listend to the first version in wav already the kick seems too overpowered for me.
i'm pretty much deaf for today.
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-01 19:34 [#02442161]
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wait, is this an actual genre? i thought this was just an admiral ackbar themed stupid nonsense topic
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-10-01 20:41 [#02442169]
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well besides "inteligent" - yes. there is something like "trap" music.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-01 22:40 [#02442178]
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trapknowledge
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-10-01 23:39 [#02442182]
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tl;dr
in a nutshell : lazy trap doc
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-02 00:06 [#02442185]
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waitaminute, i just realize...
where's the R in ITR come from??
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-10-02 00:15 [#02442186]
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ahahaha fair point
it comes from the R being close to the T on the keyboard and typign too fast.
but i had you for a whole two days. not bad.
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2012-10-02 00:33 [#02442189]
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Integra Type R
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-02 01:11 [#02442193]
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ugh my first car was an integra i bought off my cousin, who apparently never changed the oil. spent more rebuilding the engine than i did the car!
also, classic href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OlmFy4-xXQU" target=_blank>trapper keeper
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-02 01:12 [#02442194]
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damnit
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-02 01:31 [#02442196]
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also, thanks for the input d0000d! i've been working on making my tracks more compact, first draft usually ends up at like 8 minutes! altho from a dj standpoint i kind see it as having to different parts you could spin out.
more than anything, im so sick of hearing tracks out that literally just copy and paste the second half of the song! so i guess i gravitate towards the polar opposite of that.
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-10-02 20:13 [#02442235]
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LAZY_itr 2
LAZY_itr 3
well far from being so well crafted. trying to fuck around with sound a bit.
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-10-02 21:48 [#02442240]
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i hope this sound never takes off. i prefer my music dumb
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-02 21:55 [#02442242]
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i was assuming the topic was all Intelligent TRap ITM is a company that makes music computers
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sadist
from the dark side of the moon on 2012-10-02 22:55 [#02442247]
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mr bob dobalina bob dobalina.
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2012-10-03 05:59 [#02442279]
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how long before the sub genre of TARP music takes off?
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-03 06:07 [#02442281]
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Troubled Asshole Record Producers
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2012-10-03 06:12 [#02442284]
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you're doing it wrong
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-03 07:56 [#02442286]
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so throw a nerd fit about it then
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2012-10-03 08:06 [#02442287]
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ok jiver
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EpicMegatrax
from Greatest Hits on 2012-10-03 08:32 [#02442288]
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urbandictionary, of all fings, has a definition:
"In laymen’s terms, Trap music would be best described as a recipe;
1/3 hip hop (tempo and song structure similar) – however vocals are usually pitched lower or higher
1/3 dubstep (similar drum arrangements, different builds and drops)
1/3 dub (Low frequency focus and strong emphasis on repetitiveness throughout a song)"
that's still pretty vague; hardly a genre of its own
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-03 16:31 [#02442316]
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ya already missed it, TARP MUSIC was like 2 months ago!
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2012-10-03 19:29 [#02442319]
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hmm trap has filtered into all kinds of things including the way everyone says swag and yolo ( LAZY_TITLE )
hedphukker how many trap or juke mutations are going around at the moment?
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-03 20:15 [#02442320]
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at this point it doesn't seem like there's any kind of subdivision yet - everyone's still just under the umbrella of trap as far as i can tell. i mean, it took till 2010 for terms like post-dubstep and future garage to seep out, so i think we've still got a lil time on our hands.
keep in mind tho that swag came from lowbrow hiphop like lil b, and yolo came from Drake, neither of which are particularly trappy (especially not drake!).
PostTrap4Lyfe
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2012-10-03 20:41 [#02442321]
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youre probably right but i thought the post trap post juke thing was happening a lot lately sort of like this LAZY_TITLE
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-10-03 20:42 [#02442322]
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Uggh, I'll be sticking to Drumma Boy, Shawty Redd, Southside etc. Who have been doing really interesting things within certain limits (which is for the best imo) for years. I can see things getting a bit embarrassing once the sound is recontextualised within EDM.
Also I wouldn't be so sure about the time on your side thing, before the footwork producers from chicago even had a proper look in there were trendy white boys swarming all over their sound desperate to look like the coolest fags out. Honestly haven't heard 10 tracks that I even liked out of that scene (the parasitic one, not the original).
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AMPI MAX
from United Kingdom on 2012-10-03 20:49 [#02442323]
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what would you list as the parasitic scenes? shit like seapunk for example? im not clued up enough but i think i know what you mean. i really dont want to make parasitic stuff and i feel quite often that i am. i probably need some better influences
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-03 21:06 [#02442324]
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you're totally right that the time it takes for white guys with beards to appropriate a grassroots scene is truncating rapidly.
fortunately, it also leads to the scene getting burnt out pretty quickly. this time last year everyone was making juke and footwork, but now it's back to mostly the dudes who were originating the sound in chicago.
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-10-03 21:21 [#02442327]
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I agree. Sorry, I didn't mean to come across like a dick, but I am uneasy with certain scenes appropriating the sounds of others. I don't know why I find it so disheartening, could be selfishness.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-03 21:28 [#02442328]
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hey, if you're posting on the internet, it's hard not to sound like a dick :P
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2012-10-03 21:34 [#02442329]
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Yes, stating white men shouldn't be allowed to be influenced is the way forward. You daft follower.
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-03 21:45 [#02442332]
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do you see me saying that this is either good or bad?
i said it's happening quickly, that's all.
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Torture Garden
from Feelin' 2Pacish on 2012-10-03 21:48 [#02442336]
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I am not clued up, i don't know what seapunk is. Don't read too much into the parasitic thing, wrong choice of words. I know things generally don't work this way but I just want people to make more of an effort to make a scene of their own instead of appropriating other (often highly regional) music. This would be the opposite to what I've seen recently where, like as hedphukkerr said, the scene gets burnt out pretty quickly. Regional rap scenes are sort of touching point for me here, these scenes didn't make themselves overnight, and they have distinguishing aspects away from the rap scene in general.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2012-10-03 22:01 [#02442339]
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Is it good or bad?
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2012-10-03 22:03 [#02442340]
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it just happens, dude. there are things it's good for and things that are annoying about it.
it's just like, life, man. just go with it.
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JivverDicker
from my house on 2012-10-03 22:38 [#02442343]
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Thanks man.
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