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What do people want from sharing or releasing their own music? is it money, fame, acceptance, contribution to evolution, historical merit, giving other people pleasure, self reassurance, something else? why don't they keep it to themselves? there is a lot of music in the world now at everyone's fingertips. is there a higher ratio of crap out these days than in the past? what does it all mean? |
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historical merit |
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Rephlex failed to adapt, get over it. |
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all of the above, sex especially |
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i did my bandcamp releases for money, and it's actually been really fucking profitable. a lot better in terms of income than any other release i've done. i'd still prefer vinyl releases and less money for it, but what can ya do? also yes, of course there's a load more crap out there. the internet facilitates that. |
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that is, i chose to release it for money. i'll keep making music anyway, because i enjoy making it and listening to it. |
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Ha ha! |
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because i enjoy making it and listening to it. best reason |
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rephlex failed to adapt to what? |
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I admire musicians who get signed and make music without thinking how many records they gonna sell afterwards. It must be hard making music just for the joy of it, without thinking about figures - ? |
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seeing how people react, for curiousity/amusement, to something they've spent a long time, effort doing and never really thought too much about what the point was... that's the most romantic one i can think of. |
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I asked myself this same question a few yeas back. I now have no interest in sharing my music and cannot even be bothered to get round to setting up a bandcamp/soundcloud site and uploading what I've done the past 5 years. |
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i've never thought about that. on the contrary, how fun is it being a musician making stuff that's only aimed at maximizing profit? the only reason i keep making music is because it's so appealing to be able to create something new that you enjoy listening back to. it's a passion that will stick around for as long as i live. i highly doubt it will ever enable me to make a living out of it, the profits are way too spotty for that, but the amount of personal joy it brings is miles above & beyond that of excess cash. biggest reason for me to have stuff released is that i still prefer physical releases, especially vinyl. cds can be nicely presented too, but they feel a bit redundant vs files. |
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Because it's a nice social activity huh. |
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personal/selfish fulfilment first. making music because there is a void that nobody else is filling aka making something you want to listen to. after that, it's also quite a lovely feeling knowing that somewhere else in the world, others you don't know/have never met are also listening and hopefully enjoying. making money is an added bonus, but certainly never the priority. art before cash, etc.. |
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Since you asked- Rephlex is a success in terms of "achieving all the objectives" of its founders, and indeed they have have released tons of amazing music. In business terms I'm fairly certain it’s an utter failure these days, and you don’t have to pull the camera back very far before its cultural impact is no longer visible. Mu is doing a better job in terms of publishing cultural documents and providing its artists with some income. It’s not because they’re more talented at A&R (they’re not!) but their angle of approach is different. Rephlex obviously made their choices a long time ago for personal reasons and will likely stick to them until the bitter end. I say take the bad with the good, I deeply appreciate what they do and will happily give my money to them in exchange for physical or digital releases despite their unrealistically romantic perspective. Realistically they might consider turning rephlex.com into a blog, share the best tunes that come their way for free, make it possible to accept donations for them, and find financial freedom (under rephlex or not) by doing something new that doesn't compromise their principles. They have a chance at a second act that would put them on the map again. Email me. |
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a blog? might as well just give it up then. rephlex and planet µ are two very different labels, even more so these days. i have a lot of respect for both. the 'publishing cultural documents' bit is a total music journo argument, though, it's about as valid as the 'relevant' card. respect that people have different agendas, and remember that everything will change an infinite amount of times still. there's nothing wrong with adapting to new styles of publishing/promoting etc., but not every label has a desire to climb the traditional ladder. just look at someone like touch & go (r.i.p.). |
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Not necessarily. No one wants them to start being Planet Mu. That's what Mu is for! And no I'm not trying to help music journos sell magazines. Of course Rephlex owe us nothing and can close their doors tomorrow with a smile. All the old records still play. But if they want to keep up hype-free music releases and stop hemorrhaging money, it's a sincere and respectful idea, and a good one. |
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i'm not sure anyone knows what their profits are except themselves... with the amount of stuff they release, i'm not sure they're even able to lose a lot of money on it. it's a tough audience to sell to anyway, i think this scene has some of the most entitled fans out there, at least in the hardcore forum crowd. most of the people that are the loudest whiners on xlt/watmm/blahblah never buy anything or go to gigs anyway, they'd rather sit and cry about how shit something is or how disappointed they are at whatever release they just listened to. it's not particularly inspiring to someone putting work into releasing their music, they might as well just keep it for themselves and their friends. |
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How much of Rephlex is Richard D. James at this point & how much is Grant Wilson-Claridge, Aleksi Perälä & D'Arcangelo. My guess is it's more of the later. Reminds me of skating days when a team had a "star" who went on to do other things for whatever reason and the remaining team kept going. Not that it diminishes either or. |
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money money money must be funny in a rich man's world 5000 pounds per year please |
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truth be told id rather swap tapes with my friends of prifvate tracks but then theres betraysls etc ppl leaking as per usual but who cares in the end you dont want to be a micromanaging psycho who moans about every detail not being under control theres a lot of likeminded people out there who will get a lot of joy out of hearing electronic musics but there again there are a lot of whores who just pretend to like it that would be fucking good to be isolated like tokugawa japan for 200 years and makea unique culture baeed on electronic music maybe hijack aberystwwyth or something there again community theres always argument and boring personality battles or is that what makes it all fun in the first place hahaha wouldnt it be nice if aphex twin made custom funeral songs for 5 pounds a song but i dont know if my sister would dance to it coz she likes destinys child r*b rap and bullshit |
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Now this is the kind of discussion I love to see on an electronic music forum! Staz is saying very wise things here: "i'll keep making music anyway, because i enjoy making it and listening to it." "how fun is it being a musician making stuff that's only aimed at maximizing profit? the only reason i keep making music is because it's so appealing to be able to create something new that you enjoy listening back to." "i think this scene has some of the most entitled fans out there" ------------------ For thousands of years, artists created art for the sake of art creation without profit or fame, and simply (seemingly) did it for the sense of fulfillment that comes with creation. I hate to reference a cliche, but Van Gogh only sold 1 painting in his lifetime. As Robert Hughes said in his book, "It's recorded that he had fits of despair and hallucination during which he could not work, and in between them, long clear months in which he could and did work, punctuated by extreme visionary ecstasy" Make music because the end result is new music! |
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Make music because the end result is new music! that so clever but so dumb and obvious the reason to fuck a woman's pussy is to fuck the pussy! the reason to eat a delicious hot dog is to eat the hot dog! the reason to poo on the toilet instead of in the nettles is because of the toilet! |
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lots of words over here... i make music for the fun of it, and i occasionally share it just to you, cause i know you have some similar tastes and will somehow understand, and close friends who really care about me and my music. so its all indeed about sex. i also think about this thread question from time to time, as i find it egocentric and stupid to share music (or any other creation) as its loosing the real point of art... i guess it goes with the times, and its all about money and selfindulgence. same reason why people preffer to be sucked before masturbation and still call it love. dont really know what im talking about. music sex money. lots of words thread. |
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I make music because it's fun and I don't except to make a living off of it. I got a real job for that. I have recently started a bandcamp site to try to gather some extra money especially for pressing music on vinyl though. It would be awesome if Tom Jenkinson suddenly started sharing all his unreleased gems on some blog! I'm sure people would gladly donate some money, but that shouldn't be the main motivation. Artists should take pleasure in having dedicated fans that love their music. |
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Would Van Gogh have enjoyed music festivals? Serious replies only if possible :) As for the thread's question, I think releasing projects in public helps you mentally "finish" with it and move on to new territory. A worthwhile process even for a genius. It also leaves you open to the possibility that somewhere between quiet appreciation, too-high praise, too-loud whining, and most people not noticing, someone with different experiences than you will offer brilliant insight that, however slightly, changes your way of thinking for the better. Can, you, feel, it |
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