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offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-02 02:47 [#02405262]
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That guy had jumbo family size retardation. If the bailiff
in court asks you to take your damn hat off, you take it
off. Do you think he's going to back down?
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeyit.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-02 03:18 [#02405263]
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It was kind of a dumb thing to do, but do you think the
possibility of this whole situation is okay, or rather do
you feel good about being so proud of knowing for sure that
you should obey the bailiff and take your hat off if you
don't want to get Violenced?


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-02 03:33 [#02405264]
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Plus everyone's obedience hasn't been trained as well as
yours or mine, no need to be smug about it.


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2011-02-02 15:28 [#02405284]
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joe cocker does not approve


 

offline HIGHLANDER from Israel on 2011-02-02 15:51 [#02405287]
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No soap? Radio!


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-02 15:55 [#02405290]
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do you think the possibility of this whole situation is
okay


Yes. It's a good thing for a disrespectful hat wearing
douche with an overgrown sense of entitlement to get a
beatdown.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-02 17:29 [#02405292]
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do you routinely beat people up in the streets for wearing a
hat flletmousse


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-02 18:12 [#02405295]
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Yes but I know it's wrong because I don't have the proper
authority.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-02 18:59 [#02405303]
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:)


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-02 19:56 [#02405304]
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Seriously though, that douche thinks the whole world is his
moms garage and he can put his feet up on the table and
scratch his balls anywhere. Those guys who run that youtube
channel are some kind of stoned junior teabaggers who are
going to shoot someone eventually, just watch. And it will
be over something really important like a parking ticket or
a fine for peeing against the side of a building.


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-02-02 20:23 [#02405307]
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It doesn't matter if he's a 'douche'. He's got a point. That
they try to intimidate him like that proves that


 

offline jnasato from 777gogogo (Japan) on 2011-02-02 21:20 [#02405315]
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Someone post the pic of that black dude with a fro cap...
Fro hat- the ultimate justice accessory.


 

offline Tractern from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2011-02-02 22:48 [#02405328]
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I entirely disagree with what you say, fleetmouse, every
single word. You just come across as submissive to authority
and bigoted toward people you know nothing about.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 01:47 [#02405332]
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Throwing someone in prison for contempt of court is not a
crime.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 01:58 [#02405333]
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How can you walk with that stick up your bum?


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-03 02:23 [#02405334]
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course not since its a way to enforce arbitrary power
structures whats your point


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 02:40 [#02405335]
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There's nothing arbitrary about it. It's not like we as a
society flipped a coin to decide who was the judge and who
was the hesher.

This guy is not the Gandhi of wearing a hat. He's a clueless
dong who thought he was sassing his wimpy chemistry teacher
and found out different.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-03 10:55 [#02405347]
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kids these days don't know their place


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 15:36 [#02405354]
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Kid my ass, that's a man. He's old enough to know better.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-03 16:16 [#02405357]
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not sure why you're so intent on making this relevant only
to this particular guy, bro

(also the kid thing is in response to "sassing his wimpy
chemistry teacher", which is a kid thing)


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-02-03 16:21 [#02405358]
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it's like, the internet has been taught the fallacy of the
ad hominem attack. and they think it doesn't apply to
attacking a third person. but it does


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 17:32 [#02405359]
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It's not about him specifically. It's about the vital need
for the court to maintain its illusion of authority
outweighing his right to be rude and disrespectful. I'd feel
the same way if this were for example some uncouth foreigner
wearing a turban.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-03 17:45 [#02405360]
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Well yeah, but this kind of shit serves to break humans and
advantage those who have been better trained to be docile
and obedient and know how to play this kind of stupid game
ie the privileged.
The dude in this case and the guys taping him do come across
as entitled assholes looking for any little thing they can
sensationalize, but dismissing their stunt as "he's dumb,
should have complied" is completely missing the point.
Nothing new and nothing particularly thought provoking but
you know.


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-02-03 17:47 [#02405361]
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i pretty much agree, but sympathize with this guy
nonetheless

in Holland a Muslim has in fact refused to stand up to a
judge because he only respects Allah, some time ago. he
didn't get this treatment though, but national airtime, irc


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 18:04 [#02405364]
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Western civilization is an unbroken chain of social
hierarchy dating back at least to the patriarchal phallicism
of the Greeks. Probably back further, to the dawn of
agriculture in the neolithic period which allowed
specialization and stratification (you see an incredible
veneration for this principle of specialization in Plato's
Republic). Anyhow if older more powerful males don't impose
their will on younger ones we risk losing everything.
Sometimes this requires symbolic acts of circumcision such
as hat removal.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-03 18:10 [#02405365]
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social reproduction is kool


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-03 18:32 [#02405366]
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If I ever get a tattoo it will say CULTURAL TRANSMISSION
with a tank rolling over some peasants.


 

offline Tractern from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2011-02-04 00:41 [#02405387]
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fleetmouse, you are the least inspiring person on this
messageboard.



 

offline Tractern from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2011-02-04 00:41 [#02405388]
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Are you friends with David Cameron, by any chance?


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2011-02-04 01:14 [#02405389]
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Probably when he got to prison, the warden said 'its our
policy in prison that you wear a hat'. He was eventually
executed wearing half a hat.
Actually he probably works for alex jone's lucrative
franchise. This video most likely can be seen on
prisonplanet dot tits.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-04 01:32 [#02405391]
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haha!


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-04 15:07 [#02405414]
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Being thrown out of the building isn't the penalty for
contempt of court.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-04 15:12 [#02405415]
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Their lucky the judge didn't notice the video cameras,
otherwise two more people could have been going to jail.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-04 17:11 [#02405428]
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Not bullshit, do some research.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-04 17:12 [#02405429]
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Yes, those authorities committed a homophobic hate crime.
That hat was a metaphor for the beautiful act of man love.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-04 19:56 [#02405437]
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Its not a bullshit rule. If you were in the process of being
tried for something you would probably be thankful that
someone who really didn't like you couldn't film the entire
thing without a good reason and/or permission from the
judge.

A lot of laws are still intended to protect your rights and
freedoms. Until some people decide to hold a hunger strike
against those laws because they do something downright evil,
like affecting their ability to wear a hat in court.


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2011-02-07 08:31 [#02405650]
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this has got me thinking... be scared now, here it comes;

so when do the bill of rights apply? particularly the 1st
amendment? and how come corporate rules can discriminate
against them? ie: uniform policies? why can i get fired for
not wearing a uniform? isn't that my first amendment right,
the freedom to express myself? isn't clothing a form of
expression in a free and democratic society? private
companies can supersede constitutional law because i have a
choice not to be employed by that company? and that's not
grounds for bias or discrimination? someone please prove me
retarded so i can sleep easier at night.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-07 09:22 [#02405658]
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Depending on where you live; the company can force a dress
code or uniform, however they generally need to respect your
wishes to wear certain articles of clothing for religious
medical or lifestyle reasons. The reasons you choose to wear
what you do needs to be sincere; you cannot wear a turban
because you feel like being ironic, however you can if you
are Sikh. That said, they can refuse a Sikh from wearing a
Kirpan while at work, because they are weapons, and a lot of
workplaces have a strict no weapon policy regarding their
employee's dress.

At my workplace I am expected to make sure my staff are all
wearing their proper uniform. There was a gay male who used
to work there, and he choose to wear nail polish and
jewelry. It looked very strange, but he choose to wear such
things for a sincere lifestyle reason, so we had no right to
refuse his wishes.

I am Canadian, so I do not know where the bill of rights
would fit into the picture, but its my understanding that
that is the way it stands in most of Canada and the US. The
training seminar I took for human rights and employee rights
was based off of an american program.

In regards to your last question, I have a feeling the
corporation you work for has just as much of a 1st amendment
right to express themselves by firing you as you have to not
adhere to their dress code.


 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2011-02-07 09:47 [#02405671]
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thansk, your response to my last question pretty much proves
the point i was trying to make. why does a faceless, non
living entity have rights that are allowed to trample my own
private civil liberites granted by the document that founded
this nation? all because of the freedom to choose? i can
choose not to work there, to work somewhere else? they can
choose to employ, not to employ me? because their rules are
superior to those granted to my private citizen upon birth
by the powers of congress? isn't that a little conflicting
in theory?

sorry, not a big deal really, just annoying that i have to
bow down to play in the game. i know, i know... blah blah
blah, i have a choice... blah blah blah, suicide.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-07 11:03 [#02405683]
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If you choose to work in a job that requires a dress code or
uniform, then its still a choice. You are free to quit. You
are free to not work there. Your civil liberties
aren't being trampled upon. Choosing to work there implies
that you accept the dress code as a condition of employment.



 

offline EVOL from a long time ago on 2011-02-07 11:10 [#02405685]
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Alright, good job. Now I can sleep peacefully.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-07 11:23 [#02405687]
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most people don't have the luxury to choose their workplace
bro


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2011-02-07 11:37 [#02405690]
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YMMV depending on location, education and skills, but most
people actually do have that luxury. A lot of people don't
seem to realize it tho.


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-07 11:49 [#02405691]
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Those factory workers just love their job.


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-02-07 12:37 [#02405692]
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Lots of people seem to believe life, or society, are fair
and it regulates itself pretty well. I think that's not the
case.
Having concluded life is not self-regulatory, you can choose
to be on the socialist side of the spectrum, trying to make
things more fair. Or you can choose to be more libertarian,
because, for instance, you don't believe the government can
make life fair.
Either choice is defensible to me. Choosing to believe life
and society are fair itself, however, is not. It's kidding
yourself.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-07 14:21 [#02405697]
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Listen, there's probably a range on the authoritarian to
libertarian spectrum that maximizes human welfare and
happiness and it's to be found IMHO by observation, not by
dogmatic pronouncements.

Once it's found a benevolent philosopher-king such as myself
should impose the ideal system ruthlessly and without
exception.


 

offline big from lsg on 2011-02-07 14:35 [#02405699]
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The only dogmatics I find these days are libertarians (yes,
I find them on the internet).

Lol @ that second paragraph (though for sure there's
something to be said for the enlightened ruler, or
philosopher king).


 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2011-02-07 15:02 [#02405701]
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I watched some Penn & Teller videos yesterday for the first
time in my life and I've never hated libertarians so much.
Pure human vomit.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-07 15:29 [#02405702]
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It's funny, I've had the same experience again and again
over the last decade - I start liking some "skeptical"
figure in the media for debunking homeopathy or faith
healing or vaccine panic, and they turn out to be revolting
libertarian asshats.

Guys, it's great that you have the two required brain cells
to rub together to figure out that Noah's Ark is a myth, but
there's this whole ghostly invisible hand of the free market
thing you believe in that is no less kooky and spooky. Ayn
Rand is not a step up from Deepak Chopra - it's a step to
the side, and possibly down a few inches.


 

offline fleetmouse from Horny for Truth on 2011-02-07 15:58 [#02405703]
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Omg, the first penn and teller video in google is about
dihydrogen monoxide. Ha ha, libertarians, that one never
gets old! Telling people scary things about an unfamiliar
sounding chemical that turns out to be harmless means that
all chemical are harmless! Only dumb hippies are concerned
about mercury and pesticides!


 


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