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It's important for Americans to know that they're better than everyone else. It makes it easier to live in a tent under a bridge. |
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my regular |
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I like his t-shirt. (that was a slick move, big - delayed action troll, awesome) Is there some rule that libertarians have to swear a lot? Is it part of the initiation? "Welcome to the brotherhood, here is your cussing implant" |
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i must be some kind of unconscious genius |
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I knew I was giving you too much credit! |
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XD Apprentice troll here. |
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I think your problem may be different that what you seem to identify it as. If you think your only alternative to wearing a uniform is working in a factory, I could think of any number of possible solutions. Off the top of my head, I could suggest; -Move to a location that doesn't only have one industry and a bunch of shitty restaurants. -Go back to school. -Try looking for work in places that aren't newspapers. -Becoming smarter. -Brainstorm about industries you would actually enjoy working in, and then take a realistic look at the skills and experience you have and compare them against each other. |
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Jesus Christ I watched some more penn and teller videos. They're revolting. Tax is when a fat magician takes your pie and you shouldn't blame the poor gun when someone uses it to kill people. Sarah Palin is basically Penn with a Bible and nicer hair. |
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Just read the rest of this thread and I want to respond to some of Taxidermist posts. 'You have the choice not to work there, for instance if you don't like the uniformcode'. I can live with that (though I have to point out the reasoning is flawed: national law still supercedes, you can't sign away your rights to not being tortured at that place, or killed), but I'm conflicted by your just law reasoning behind it (wiki the 'just world' reasoning fallacy), that shines through your arguments. And I'm not sure the first ammendment is for companies, and if it is I probably think it's wrong. But mostly I want to respond to the camera in court thing. That people could use that for bad is a strawman. People shouldn't use it for that, and if they would they could be sued for libel. The point is it is wrong if you can't control the legislaters anymore (and the law-enforcers, the police, which keeps popping up in the news: cops threatening bystanders to put their cellphone away). |
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Strawman... didn't you just compare a uniform code to being tortured? The fact of the matter is, having to wear a specific piece of clothing for work is not a violation of your rights. The first amendment was enacted to give the public the freedom to do a number of different things in public without fear of persecution. Representing yourself as a member of a religious organization. Practicing alternative lifestyles in public. Criticizing your government. All these things are protected rights. Trying to argue that its just as bad being forced to wear a white shirt to work not only makes you look ridiculous, it cheapens the effort of people who suffered in the past to make sure those rights were here in the first place. People shouldn't use it for that, and if they would they could be sued for libel. People shouldn't, but they do. Some people just aren't very nice. And despite what a lot of people believe, in most places its completely legal to record a people in a public setting with or without their permission. Regardless of whether or not that recording gets published, it would only become libel if the recording is altered to misrepresent the person shown. I can't see where the whole just world fallacy comes in. I don't remember seeing it said that it was a good thing or fair, just that thats the way it is. |
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No, I didn't try to compare it with that. There is no difference between wanting to wear a cross around you neck, or paint your fingernails and not wanting to wear a white t-shirt to work. Others shouldn't judge what is right or normal. If the first amendment judges you can wear that cross but you can't use it when you can't appeal to it when you want to wear a white t-shirt then the first amendment is prejudiced. Maybe it wouldn't be working otherwise, and probably it's just written to serve the largest part of society, but one should know it's not perfect and law is not just in itself. (Trying to argue that its just as bad being forced to wear a white shirt to work not only makes you look ridiculous, not an argument, ad hominem. it cheapens the effort of people who suffered in the past to make sure those rights were here in the first place.misplaced appeal to emotion, and ad hominem) The other thing. Just sticking to this case: they want to film the judge and the bailiffs to monitor the powers in place. In this case it's not to try libel the defendant. That's why in this discussion that's a strawman. With the just world fallacy I'm trying to point out that you seem to believe that the laws of the US are intrinsically just. They're not, they're just a bunch of rules some people decided work best (and indirectly (very indirectly) the majority of people also decided they're the best). |
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Others shouldn't judge what is right or normal. If the first amendment judges you can wear that cross but you can't appeal to it when you want to wear a white t-shirt then the first amendment is prejudiced. |
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Laws aren't codifications of absolute ethical principles and can't be reduced to them in a simpleminded way. You shouldn't expect the world to work that way unless you're 6 years old. Accordingly, just because a law against cameras in court sounds silly if you rephrase it as "cameras in court are a universal evil" is no reason to ridicule or discard the law. |
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I'm not talking about myself, I don't work and I'll never accept working in a factory. Still, most factory workers are not given much of a choice. Sometimes you can't move or you're unwilling to, you can't possibly go to school, and general unemployment forces you to accept whatever shitty job you're assigned to support your lifestyle and stop the unemployment office from harassing you. But, right, they should get smarter, very classy. |
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I'll never work in a factory because I'm privileged and lucky enough to hold a degree that I can put forward as evidence that I shouldn't be forced into factory work. |
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(i'm not for being able to have cameras in court, and just want to point out unfair reasonings) |
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There is no difference between wanting to wear a cross around you neck, or paint your fingernails and not wanting to wear a white t-shirt to work. There is a distinct difference. If a female employee is allowed to wear nail polish, then you aren't allowed to discriminate if a male employee chooses to wear nail polish too. However, you can make certain decisions as far as dress code is concerned and limit the number of colors everyone is allowed to wear. The ability to wear a crucifix is a protected right as long as there is a sincere intention of wearing it to represent your religion. There generally aren't any sincere reasonings behind not wanting to wear a white shirt to work, it doesn't matter how passionately you hate wearing the color white. However, it would be a different matter if you practice a religion that disallows you from wearing a certain color of clothing on a certain day, for example. I appreciate the effort to try to point out the logical fallacy's in the rest of my points. If I didn't have to go to work in 5 minutes I would do the same for you. I am going to point out that I don't think I once said that it was illegal to have cameras in the courtroom, I said the judge can order them to be removed, and that the judge didn't in this case. |
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Just an FYI, that first sentence is supposed to be in italics to indicate that its a quote. |
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There generally aren't any sincere reasonings behind not wanting to wear a white shirt to work, it doesn't matter how passionately you hate wearing the color white. How is passionately hating wearing the color white insincere? |
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All these rules can seem pretty arbitrary. Who decides what religion should get exemptions, and who says the anguish coming from having to wear that white shirt isn't as bad as not being able to wear your cross? I guess I want people to just question everything and not automatically assume things are right because they are that way now. |
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Thanks for appreciating that. :) |
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lol, this is not a gd argument. I know someone who got a first in his degree and now he works in a warehouse. A degree is not enough. You have to have the knowledge and will to get the experience necessary to implement your degree in getting a well paying job. Out of curiosity, what are you studying and how old are you? |
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Well maybe he accepted the warehouse job dunno, + I don't know how it works in other countries. I'm not trying to get a good job, I don't care, I'm only trying not to be forced into an awful one. And thanks to my stupid KKKulture and KKKommunication degree I can tell the unemployment office that I'm looking for an office job or anything that won't get me killed, and they'll mostly be pretty okay with that. |
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I like how soulless tie wearing CEO's and their henchmen can brainwash all their uniformed employees with sexual harassment videos and make it illegal to date fellow employees or not shave your facial hair under laws of their perfect dictatorship. If you want you can just leave and find a new dictator, except the first one had a government sanctioned monopoly, possibly disguised as a cartel, since they had the most money to buy the most laws. |
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I didn't say that passionately hating a color isn't sincere. Disliking a color is not a legally acceptable reason in most places that I am aware of. It certainly isn't where I come from. |
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I wouldn't say its necessarily arbitrary. Its not like someone walked up to a podium and threw a bunch of cards in the air, and the ones that landed face up got a magical exemption. I am not sure exactly what the rules are for a belief system to be labeled a religion, it varies by region, as do the rules we have been discussing. |
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