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offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-04-06 17:34 [#00160325]
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I'm thinking about becoming a vegetarian,
I just had a steak,and I had a close look at it before I
baked it.....

It was horrible!
It was uglyer than your worst nightmare!
it was.....a dead animal

So,what are the pro's and contra's of being a vegetarian?

I already know one contra:I'm gonna miss the taste...


 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 18:28 [#00160368]
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pro's, you'll lose weight,

con's you'll lose a lot of energy, meat provides a lot of
it.
con, you will bruise easier when struck.
con, you will need to get all your vitamins strictly through
fruits and vegetables, which is kind of hard.
con, taste.



 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 18:30 [#00160371]
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don't shaolin kungfu monks eat just rice? :O


 

offline The_Funkmaster from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-04-06 18:33 [#00160375]
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Vegetarians are weird!!!! ;)

Well, you can still eat at Burger King. We provide a
Vegetarian Burger to you, our charished customer!!!!

*The_Funkmaster is handed another big bag of money!!!*

:)


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-04-06 18:36 [#00160378]
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I'm vegetarian
Pros: you consume less fat so it's better for your heart,
you can protest against cruelty to animals this way

Cons: you have to adapt for a while, you have to deal with
assholes trying to make fun of you.

If you eat eggs and milk you will not need special pills to
compensate your food.


 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-06 19:26 [#00160408]
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they eat more than just rice,
they get all their vitamins and such through their diet.
monks are really healthy.

i wish i could be one.


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-04-06 19:36 [#00160416]
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I am a vegitarian, its great.

you will feel really healthy when you´ve done it for a
while, well at least i did!

taste is a pro for me.. pasta and rice with the right
vegetables is delecius, if you prepare it right. seriusly.
youll grow sick of meat, after a while.
and laserbeak is right, if you still have eggs and milk,
even fish! youll have no trouble with keeping yourself
alive.

do it!


 

offline forck_02lynix from brooklyn on 2002-04-06 19:45 [#00160427]
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im vegetarian and its great. the only thing bad about it are
the ignorant people who think there's only one way to live
life. they piss me off but i ignore them. i say go for it,
it'll be the best descision you ever make. just make sure
you have the right resources for food, and you'll be fine.
just watch out for too many carbs. they can get you fat!


 

offline phiz from Liverpool (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 20:10 [#00160447]
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i've got a mate whos vegan and he eats fuckall, lives on
soya milk and tofu, madman, i love food too mouch to deny
meself all them tastes, use your senses to the most i reckon


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 20:14 [#00160450]
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i could never forsake crispy bacon


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-04-06 20:16 [#00160454]
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Methane gas from overproducing cows and sheep are destroying
our planet!

(no joke)


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-04-06 20:19 [#00160460]
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ummm, cigarette smoke...CFCs....exhaust fumes....these are
just a few of my favourite things...


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-04-06 20:25 [#00160467]
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Lions eat poor little animals, bears would eat us little
people, given the chance... I say, slaughter them and enjoy
how good they taste before they enjoy how good YOU taste.

Also, pigs and chickens and the things we eat WOULD eat us
if they could. So turn them into a nice snack before they
figure out how to hurt us.


 

offline Darth manchu from Cambridge (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-06 20:26 [#00160468]
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I'd be a vegetarian if i could actually cook. Most of the
food i make comes out of the freezer and has meat in it. I'd
love to get veggie, but the only non meat dish i can make is
omlette, but it is a very tasty omlette :)

And yes, methane is the most efficient green house gas.


 

offline phew var from Roma (Italy) on 2002-04-07 03:51 [#00160717]
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i'm vegan straight edge.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-04-07 03:57 [#00160722]
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meat rules the planet with cowpork power! bow to
meat...uh....


 

offline liquadcrystal from johnson (United States) on 2002-04-07 06:06 [#00160805]
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nooo!! dont become a vegitarian meat is power i luv it good
tasten dont turn aganist it meat luvs u and say eat me


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:01 [#00160916]
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I don't like the fact that the meat I eat comes form animals
raised and held captive strictly for food. If I lived my
ideal life I would only eat meat from hunted animals that
lived in the wild.


 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:08 [#00160922]
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like vampires?


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:12 [#00160923]
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Exactly like vampires.


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-04-07 08:20 [#00160929]
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where's my tofu


 

offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2002-04-07 08:22 [#00160932]
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one of my favorite songs with lyrics is tchony's "outie"
www.mp3.com/tchony I went and got his album signed by him
and he spit a couple verses at me about his views on
vegetarianism, he rocks.

they call me Tchaaaany
I like to eat banaaaaany
and I will ride
your bologne pony
walk down the street,
beat my meat,
eat some beats... for lunch,
I like vegetables...
I'm not a vegetarian,
because they make me... want to laugh at them
*intickity* tchaaany


 

offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-04-07 14:04 [#00161057]
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thank you all for all the good and bad advices,
I never could have thought of them myself..


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-04-07 15:19 [#00161082]
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i am ½vegatarian. i really like eating meat. but i dont
like the way they treat animals before killing them. and i
think that if europeans and americans didnt eat so much meat
( its expensice producing meat ) the other side of the
would not have to starve to death. its sad but true


 

offline supreme from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-04-07 15:34 [#00161085]
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probably I'll do something like that too,
I really can't decide what I want...
I need some time for that......


 

offline joey from montréal (Canada) on 2002-04-07 17:27 [#00161114]
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Check out this thread.


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-04-07 19:27 [#00161235]
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Yeah, some adapting time wouldnt be a bad idea.


 

offline uzim on 2002-04-07 23:40 [#00161483]
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i'm vegetarian... except for prawns


 

offline uzim on 2002-04-07 23:46 [#00161488]
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since i was a kid in fact... i chose to become a vegetarian
because of a cute stuffed pig i had... i thought it was too
cruel to eat animals like that ;)


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-04-08 00:08 [#00161512]
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My ex-step-cousin got some serious food poisoning from KFC
(notice how they are not Kentucky Fried Chicken anymore).
Doctors thought she would die for sure, very serious, but
she pulled through. I'm really grossed out now thinking
about rotten meat and such.


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-09 18:46 [#00733773]
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I'm a rawfoodist... so I obviously don't eat meat. I don't
want to call myself a vegan yet, because I haven't been
vegan for that much time yet... but I really don't like meat
anymore.
A lot of people who eat meat know very little of what the
things you eat do to your body... Which is real important
information--in the future people will look at the
"standard" diet of today as really weird... Well, that is if
we ever can make peope understand the world better...

I love waking up clear and clean in the morning, which is
one of the pro's of being a rawfoodist...
Straight edge rules to... though I still do alcohol... but I
really agree with that it's a healthy lifestyle, so I'll get
there some day... peace and stay veg.


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2003-06-09 19:51 [#00733829]
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im a vegetarian \ almost vegan except i eat cheese and drink
milk but no leather and any of that other stuff. i cant
stand people who make fun of me for being vegetarian and ask
me why i am. i was having a fucking veggie burger and one
kid said it was the nastiest thing he's ever seen meanwhile
he was eating a fucking hamburger....

im also straight edge but thats for another
discussion....although i could care less if you smoke\drink
or whatever as long as it doesnt affect me.


 

offline corrupted-girl on 2003-06-09 19:55 [#00733837]
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when i became vegan i lived on froot loops and soy milk.
until i made up a healthy vegan diet to make sure i get
enough protein and vitamins.

im not weak or unhealthy or lacking anything.

and just cause your vegan dont mean you'll loose weight.
there's plenty of fattening vegan foods out there as well...


 

offline jenf from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-09 20:15 [#00733852]
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i think one of the few vitamins lacking from the list that
are essential when you are a vegetarian is b12, which
usually comes from meat. but you can always drink soy milk
or something, because they load it up with b12


 

offline soze from Kingston (Jamaica) on 2003-06-09 21:16 [#00733914]
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Being veggie is not that hard, it takes a couple of months
to get used to but after that it's pretty easy. I don't
think I would go back to eating meat now, or fish. And I do
enjoy not having the blood of animals on my conscience
morning noon and night. Once you are no longer attached to
meat cuz you stop eating it and you look back at it, at
least I, found it pretty disgusting. Especially the way
corporate meat (which is most of what you eat) is treated
and prepared, ie shot with hormones and chemicals, living
it's whole life in a tiny box and then being taken out and
killed. Reminds me of the holocaust.


 

offline mimi on 2003-06-09 23:33 [#00733962]
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i don't eat meat, but really it is no political thing. more
a texture thing..i don't put bloody slabs of hell in my
mouth. i don't really shout around that i am a vegetarian
because of this...for me, it would be the same thing as
running about saying i dont like mushrooms. also, if anyone
has read the jungle....meat gets a pretty bad rep.

i wear shoes with leather and i love a grilled cheese
sandwich with fried onions...and i especially don't feel
guilty over the grilled cheese! although, last week i got
some bad cheese on my sub at subway and i don't know if i
can eat it ever again!


 

offline Sanguine from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-09 23:40 [#00733964]
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Somebody give me a good reason for begin a VEGAN

Not vegetarian, I understand the concept and am quite happy
with the possibilities.

However I have NEVER EVER heard a good reason for being a
vegan. Period.

... except someone who has severe plant phobias and finds a
need to personally eradicate them from the face of the
earth... and I'm guessing that's a small minority


 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-06-09 23:41 [#00733966]
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I'm a vegetarian for loads of reasons.
First: there's the ethical part, not wanting to eat animals.
I mean: one animal is a dog and we give it a name, and the
other we just kill. Also the fact that an animal has to eat
a lot of vegetables to produce the same amount of meat. It's
a waste of food.
Second: there's some health reasons. In the long run, there
are several benefits to living healthy, and one way to do so
is a well balanced vegetarian diet.
Third: there's environmental reasons. The animals produce a
lot of faeces, ... Also, transport and all that, and
cleaning slaughterhouses are all bad for the environment and
a loss of water (I know that vegetables are transported and
all that, but as catle gets some of them as wel, there's a
lot more transport and so on involvled).
I could go on, which I won't. There's enough sites on the
web where you can find info.


 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-06-09 23:43 [#00733968]
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www.vegansociety.com
www.veganoutreach.com

mostly: cheese is made with enzymes from a calf's stomach.
YUK.
It's also very unnatural to eat milk that's biologically
meant for a growing cow, not an adult human.


 

offline jenf from Toronto (Canada) on 2003-06-09 23:50 [#00733976]
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but then again, what is really 'natural' these days? :)
can you really distinguish from the unnatural?


 

offline Morgoth from Stella-town (Belgium) on 2003-06-10 00:03 [#00733987]
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Nope, you got a point there.
But trying to make your food a little more natural is
something else than trying to make anything you do more
natural.


 

offline mimi on 2003-06-10 00:13 [#00733992]
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it will help you understand dave matthews


 

offline Sanguine from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-10 00:15 [#00733995]
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I will reiterate... VEGANS. Not vegetarians.

Your arguments are not sound however even so.

1) Waste of food is a good argument, any "animal feelings"
arguments easily succumb to unanswerable ethical debates

2) There are several benefits to eating meat as well. There
are also several very good reasons NOT to be vegetarians,
proteins and metals that you don't get from produce, Etc.

3) "animals produce a lot of faeces"

WHAT?

Environmental issues? There are PLENTY of things we are
doing to the environment that does a lot more than meat
eating. And what about the processessing that goes on for
vegan products?

Vegans, not vegetarians. The people who carry around a
little bible telling them what they can and cannot eat. I
don't understand this.

Yes you've hit a chord, I'm from Santa Cruz, I have this
conversation ALL the time and nobody has given me a good
answer

It's like a religion. It's a social atmosphere because the
people who are vegan tend to have other beliefs that you are
comfortable with. You adopt veganism because it is easy to
accept and people you respect give you reasons you don't
care to challenge very heavily.


 

offline Sanguine from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-10 00:21 [#00733997]
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I'll also say I would be vegetarian if certain things didn't
apply:

One, they made vegetarian food that was:

a: affordable.
b: tasty.
c: gave me the vitamins/minerals I needed

This does not happen. Most, if not all vegan food is
elitist, very expensive, and does not taste very good.
Especially when they try and imitate meat. Does anyone else
see this as BLATANTLY hypocritical?

In 10 years maybe, this will happen, as it stands now it
would be a huge deal to change my lifestyle to accomodate
these things. I like food, I like the taste, and I exercise
to keep the pounds off and keep me feeling good.


 

offline neetta from Finland on 2003-06-10 01:08 [#00734013]
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i'm (nearly) vegan. at home i eat only veganic stuff, only
ice cream sometimes.. when i go out to restaurant i allow me
the cheese

it is a lie that veg food would not get you the sae stuff as
meat. protein easily comes from soy, beans, lentils.. iron
and other minerals from green vegs like broccoli and
spinach.

the whole meat/dairy/egg production cycle is so TOTALLY
fucked.

also i think it's interesting and important to know what
WEIRDEST additives food nowadays has.. so that is why i am
very keen on what i eat


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-10 01:32 [#00734018]
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you're a great girl. I love vegans.
I agree it's bullshit you can't get all your vitamins from
fruit / vegetables...

Being vegan is really healthy. Just look at all problems old
people have today and ask yourself where they come from.
Many problems they have origin from their diet.
I would have become a rawfoodist much sooner if I just knew
the diet existed (the fact I didn't know clearly shows how
fucked our society is).
We can't escape what is natural / unnatural to us, but
culture covers that part up pretty well. Damn well actually.
A lot of people will suffer when they get old for doing what
society tells them to do.

I am really serious about the aging thing. Look at how many
old people are suffering / in really bad health.
Getting bad health is NOT a natural part of the aging
process, it's just a natural part of an unhealthy
lifestyle...

A diet is not just something you put in your mouth to stay
alive; it's something that builds the physical you aswell as
the psychical.
I know this won't make you change your lifestyle to a more
healthy one, but please consider it... Like Morgoth wrote,
there are lots of good websites out there.

If all people open their eyes we will have a so much better
world... A lot of things people think is a natural part of
life is JUST a natural result of an unhealthy diet.

Are there really no people out there considering the rawfood
vegan diet? I know you mentioned it Morgoth...


 

offline mimi on 2003-06-10 01:37 [#00734021]
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hopefully someday soon the whole world will join together
holding hands, peace and unity will be achieved through the
mouth!


 

offline Key_Secret from Sverige (Sweden) on 2003-06-10 01:42 [#00734025]
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yeah...
more people need to realize we're not different from other
animals - we cannot choose to eat anything and then expect
to feel as good as when we eat our natural diet, (which I
believe is a vegan rawfooddiet).

We're really fucking up the environment and I can't believe
people do not see we'll all suffer from that.


 

offline Sanguine from San Francisco (United States) on 2003-06-10 01:42 [#00734026]
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Let's clear something up

Being vegan does NOT mean you are eating healthy

Eating healthy can be done, vegan or not, and requires work
be put into it one way or another.

Being healthy is a choice in itself. If you choose to be
vegan, you still have to choose to make it healthy. This
means certain supplements like B12 and getting the right
kinds of legumes and calcium in your diet.

I'm not advocating nobody be vegan or that it doesn't have
certain merits. I am asking you think about the "merits" of
veganism and decide whether and why they only apply to being
vegan or vegetarian.


 

offline mimi on 2003-06-10 01:44 [#00734027]
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what am i doing in this thread


 


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