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analogue & digital

offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-01-26 09:58 [#02267671]
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anyone heard this magnificent new genre? apparently it's
going to be massive in 2009 and beyond

here's the philosophy behind it

Study Electronics
Make Music
Drink booze
Enjoy life

loving it!!

more a&d baby!!!!!! fuck yeah!!!!!



offline Mask 500 from now on 2009-01-26 10:03 [#02267673]
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The Tuss


offline blaaard from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2009-01-26 10:38 [#02267675]
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i was hoping for a discussion about what analogue / digital
actually means aesthetically. Because the idm hasn't
discussed this properly yet, srsly.


offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-01-26 10:50 [#02267677]
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blaard mate you've just summed up the entire point of the
genre is to question what parts of analogue and what parts
of digital we should chase in our electronic music. for that
reason a&d is the best new genre to come out in a while.

heres what a&d means to me as a genre. theres room for
discussion & disagreement though. basically i see a&d as the
future genre for anyone who is interested in electronic

ELITE uses for analogue in electronic music:

* Filters.
* Audio circuits in synthesizers.
* Multitrack audio mixers.
* Noise.
* Oscillators.
* Recording & playing back magnetic tape on a high
quality tape deck.
* 180 gram high quality vinyl played back on a record

ELITE uses for digital in electronic music:

* Chip tunes & old tracker music.
* Speech synthesis.
* Digital noise generators with timbre control.
* Sampling.
* FM synthesis such as on the Yamaha DX & TX
* MIDI control (sysex is useful).
* Elaborate CV/gate sequencers & CV/gate <> midi
interfaces. (V/Hz too)
* Crazy DSP effects.
* Pure data, Max/msp, Supercollider, & Reaktor.
* Spectrum analysers.


offline blaaard from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2009-01-26 11:08 [#02267679]
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okay here's acrappy sketch for some sort of manifesto:

dump analogue completely, you can always come back to that
stuff later. Dump anything on your screen and from your mind
that simulates analogue interfaces or tries to emulate
analog sounds. Kick Ableton Live in the nuts, it is crap for
kids. Study a low level computer programming language along
with electronics and learn how to build your own interfaces
using sensors/lights/screens/microcontrollers. These have to
learn to sense the environment, get into contact with you
and anybody else on the planet. Don't worry about people
calling you artsy, they just don't get it. It is about
defining what digital IS. it is independent from material,
it is code, language, it is not ADSR, it is not timbre. You
are designing processes, sound is secondary. It is about
network, nodes, communications. A digitally constructed
microcosmos, much closer to cosmos then any other artform
done before. We got rid of classical music theory, now it's
time to get rid of classical ways of how sound is generated.
It is happening anyway: myspace,, iPhone, all that
jazz. Let the industry have their fun with it and be
yourself part of its development. LOL!


offline nightex from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2009-01-26 15:40 [#02267701]
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"Analog and digital" is simply electronic music, its same.
What is the difference?

Analogue sounds can be produced by digital circuits, but
digital code cant be reacreated like music without analogue
equipment, becouse as soon as you start to play with "sines"
it is analogue, signal must be amplified and so on. Analogue
can stand alone without digital, but digital without
analogue technologicly is irrational decision. Digital is
for control and calculation only not the music, it only
helps create it its instrument. You can build huge circuits
without digital electronics, but is simply irrational,
unless u create electronics witch is based on difrent
calculation and counting system. So if I build circuit witch
is based on difrent system but produces equaly the same
sines using same software it must be renamed according

*I dont like genres becouse it is mess*


offline noseburger on 2009-01-26 16:15 [#02267704]
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This is the future, baby


offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2009-01-27 07:17 [#02267770]
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i've been living in this world for 5 years now, which means,
from this thread on, i'm living 5 years in the future. Punk
bands will be dead or only covering squarepusher and aphex
twin, pop music will have considerably loads more electronic
edges in them, more raunchy, and they even go back to 90's
style a bit but in a new coat, there are no more tb303s for
sale since all the people that need them finally have one
and don't want to get rid of it (yay!), modular synthesizers
grow smaller and smaller again, 8-track and 16-track
recorders are being re-produced by Philips, Akai and also by
Behringer (which are really crap by the way, sound like shit
these things), MTV has partly become a nu-rave channel,
partly because there are of course loads of other genres to
be heard but nonetheless all with more electronic music
edges, basses will be louder with better fuses so they never
fail, and i could name you loads and loads and loads more
stuff but i left something on the stove 5 years in the
future and i warped back for a few minutes to check the
board and catch the same thread again to give a mention to
people what the future looks like. I change it up every
time, it's funny to see the reactions.

Until next time, will take pictures!

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offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-01-27 08:28 [#02267773]
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Electronic music >> Analogue & Digital

A&D is my favourite genre

Yes it does go back in time, beyond 5 years ago to the
beginning of electronic & computer music. We all love
electronic music. However the name only solidified into the
current genre with its strong philosophy recently and is
brand new. Analogue & Digital is the genre where us who were
always interested in exploring electronics and music can get
pissed and sloshed and have a laugh.

The main idea of A&D: Make electronic music for its own

'Electronic music' was always too general because you can
say Trance comes under electronic music, but with A&D it
defines our electronic music culture better and allows us to
think freely instead of copying other artists. Weaker genres
are full of copycat idiots but A&D has always encouraged
people to merely copy and steal without being at all
original or unique


offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-01-27 08:30 [#02267775]
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correction of that last sentence:

Weaker genres are full of copycat idiots and have always
encouraged people to merely copy and steal without being at
original or unique. A&D encourages people to pursue their
own path and to be yourself, not to pretend you are somebody


offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2009-01-27 09:00 [#02267778]
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Ever heard of Dr Dinsync? Might be your right down your cup
of alley.


offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-01-27 09:03 [#02267779]
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checking it out now, sounds cooool. truth is you added me on
myspace a while ago :P


offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2009-01-27 09:04 [#02267780]
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i did? Must've been a really long time ago, i haven't been
on that myspace for almost year i think


offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2009-01-27 09:37 [#02267783]
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notes that circuit witch would be a cool artist


offline Zephyr Twin from ΔΔΔ on 2009-01-27 10:07 [#02267788]
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lol :)


offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-01-27 12:41 [#02267829]
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circuit witch, cool
get some circuit witch tracks up :-)
let's take this shit back to electronics
nice one


offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-02-06 09:51 [#02270512]
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i reckon we should forget "i.d.m" and just leave it in the
past where it belongs
analogue and digital is much better i reckon it's a fucking
wicked name!!!!
a&d is lush as well innit


offline TroutMask from New York City (United States) on 2009-02-06 13:42 [#02270570]
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I don't agree with this. I find it the reverse; I think
analog synthesis is only done for a type of "signature
sound", similar to how analog technology is utilized in
other audio mediums (recording and playback).

I can sculpt any sound, waveform, filter system, etc.,
without ever needing to touch a piece of analog gear, all by
programming. And, I'm not limited by the number of
oscillators, filters, envelopes, patch cables, etc., which
bears an obvious disadvantage for any analog synth hobbyist
who ISN'T a billionaire.

And not just that: the mere laws of physics severely limit
the possibilities analog synthesizers are able to achieve.
Sure, nobody would have said that 30 years ago when Moog
synthesizers were all the rage, but now that we do in fact
have the capabilities to utilize NON-MUSICAL variables in
compositions, the whole human-instrument relationship the
electronic musician shares with his gear has changed. A
whole new philosophy on composing electronic music is
emerging thanks to digital technology.

I think it is rather ignorant to proclaim that digital
synthesis cannot ever be more than a substitute for analog
synthesis, especially when you consider the fact that
there's literally not a single sound that an analog synth
can produce that a computer cannot recreate. Even the
instability of analog synthesis (as produced -
understandably, and not to its detriment - by the physics of
electronic circuitry), which gives the warmth and fatness
attributed to the "analog sound", can be rendered and
recreated by algorithmic programming through modern digital
synthesis infrastructures. And, in fact, this is a rather
popular practice among electronic composers utilizing
digital synthesis. I've done it a lot in my own work.


offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2009-02-06 23:27 [#02270711]
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Does this make me elite if I like programming my dx7 and


offline w M w from London (United Kingdom) on 2009-02-06 23:37 [#02270712]
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Is your avatar supposed to look like a solid silvery cover
with sunglare slightly shaded to the left with some sort of
helmut mouthpiece, cuz it damn sure looks like a dude with
brown hair parted to one side making a frown face.


offline chunky from Liverpool (Bahamas, The) on 2009-02-07 04:33 [#02270732]
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>Does this make me elite if I like programming my dx7 and
Not sure about elitism, but it certainly makes you a safe
I'd love to listen to your tracks. Got an album out or
myspace or something?
good reading all the opinions. great stuff keep it coming


offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2009-02-08 00:10 [#02270928]
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I have a myspace page. All the stuff on it is ancient
though, so don't expect much.


offline music maker from St.Louis (United States) on 2009-02-08 02:27 [#02270937]
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chunky mcgee should learn to keep his retard thoughts to


offline chaosmachine from Ottawa (Canada) on 2009-04-05 23:25 [#02284325]
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that is one awesome avatar.


offline cygnus from nowhere and everyplace on 2009-04-05 23:43 [#02284327]
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lately ive been real curious about analog gear


offline Oaaer from Fast food (Heard and McDonald Islands) on 2009-04-06 14:30 [#02284487]
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cool story bro


offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2009-04-06 22:54 [#02284548]
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woah im on wiki :/


offline mohamed on 2009-04-07 05:45 [#02284581]
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hanalogue vs. bobby digital


offline EpicMegatrax from Greatest Hits on 2013-05-06 18:11 [#02455941]
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i'm amazed how much this took off


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