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offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-12-27 00:48 [#02260923]
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Aphex Twin (peaked 2001)
Autechre (peaked 2002)
BoC (peaked 2002)
Squarepusher (peaked 2002)
Chris Clark (peaked 2003)

.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-12-27 00:50 [#02260924]
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I still love them all but it hasn't been the same.


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-12-27 01:09 [#02260925]
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if you had added some charts and some extra conclusions,
you'd have the IDM-peak theory, and possibly won the
idm-nobel prize. if there was one



 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-12-27 01:11 [#02260926]
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the first two are as good - maybe better than they have ever
been, IMO.



 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-12-27 01:50 [#02260930]
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Autechre's still my favorite. I'll eat up anything they
release as long as they make music.

It's just that since the 1-2 punch of Confield and Gantz
Graf (specifically I'm talking Dial and Cap.IV- for me the
pinnacle of "IDM") their albums seem a bit more rushed, a
bit less innovative. Still great but they're not pushing it
like they used to.

Their live stuff keeps getting better and better though.
--

Aphex, meh. Analord is pretty good but it dosen't touch
drukQs. 24 remixes dosent even count... what does that
leave... smojphace?...

I'm sure he has some absolutely devastating unreleased
stuff, but that just annoys me even more.


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2008-12-27 04:09 [#02260938]
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the tuss's impressing!

(but i agree with you, not innovation anymore anywhere...
:()


 

offline oyvinto on 2008-12-27 04:45 [#02260944]
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fruityloop


 

offline ijonspeches from 109P/Swift-Tuttle on 2008-12-27 04:58 [#02260946]
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03 - (peek 824545201)


 

offline goDel from ɐpʎǝx (Seychelles) on 2008-12-27 05:41 [#02260948]
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those tuss releases were quality and so was that track that
won the competition...what its name...


 

offline Raz0rBlade_uk on 2008-12-27 05:58 [#02260949]
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spr


 

offline cx from Norway on 2008-12-27 06:24 [#02260950]
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I've been thinking about this for awhile, and in some ways I
figure maybe we all grew up a little bit.
Maybe the music was so new and interesting back in 90s and
early 00s, and nowadays we are not as into it.
What would have happened if quaristice was released in 99?
Would we all be into it a lot more?

Personally, I'm totally into tankakern and have been since
it came out, but the other tracks not so much so.
I have more faves on quadrange.
But I wonder if the "collective consciousness" has somehow
shifted a bit, since reading forums all the time about how
artists arent as good as they used to be must certainly
leave an impression.
I feel boc's THC is AWESOME, and i had a lot of good
moments, and in many ways I can't relate to what you mean,
but in some ways i can because it is indeed different.

I just feel maybe not only the music changed, but also us as
people, and that we may not be giving the music a fair
chance.


 

offline Mask 500 from now on 2008-12-27 06:25 [#02260951]
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RDJ peaked with the Tuss, no contest if you think that isn't
innovating enough you need to listen again, for reals
dawg!!

Squarepusher peaked with Venus no.17 but I still have hopes
the new EP will be good.

Dopplereffekt, peaked in 1996/7, but I still have hopes and
one of the new tracks from the live sets sounds better than
anything from the analog period.


 

offline cx from Norway on 2008-12-27 06:26 [#02260952]
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I'm sorry TCH I mean.


 

offline cx from Norway on 2008-12-27 06:28 [#02260953]
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Calabi Yuo Space is amazing.
Plotinus is amazing.



 

offline Mask 500 from now on 2008-12-27 06:30 [#02260954]
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Calabi has two/three good tracks compared to his past works
where all tracks were banging, his albums have way too much
filler.


 

offline melack from barcielwave on 2008-12-27 06:31 [#02260955]
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yea, both THC and TCH are awesome... as is all material
released by squarpusher or AFX or AE, they are all amazing
music/sound producers... its just its not exciting anymore,
just more of the same with some little changes, i think...


 

offline catfood03 on 2008-12-27 10:28 [#02260962]
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IMHO...

Aphex peaked with the Windowlicker single
Squarepusher peaked with Hard Normal Daddy
Autechre peaked with Tri Repetae, LP5... then again with
Untilted (multiple orgasms)

I'll toss some others out here for fun (I don't remember the
years)...

2 Lone Swordsmen (Tiny Reminders)
Mouse On Mars (Nuin Nigguing)
The Orb (Orbus Terrarum )
New Order (Technique)
KMFDM (Xtort)
Ladytron (Witching Hour)


 

offline gl0tch from www.gl0tch.com     on 2008-12-27 10:40 [#02260965]
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Wolfslice - I have to say that I agree with everything
you've said in this thread. Spot on.


 

offline rad smiles on 2008-12-27 10:55 [#02260966]
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i dunno, i think catfood is right about autechre. autechre
seem to have peaked multiple times.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-12-27 11:49 [#02260971]
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draft 7.30 for ae for me
incredible,
as 'good' as untilted is, it just doesn't have the same
effect that draft did ... but that could be emotion based /
time period, not nec music is better/wose.

thc killed me for boc. it is so polished and good sounding,
and all the little slick sounds are strategically placed; it
sounds like a very very good cover band making boc
music...it's still good, but it doesnt have nearly same
effect as geogaddi (which i think was the top of the top)

the tuss is some of the best stuff ive heard yet, from
drukqs; not much room to complain. still room for
improvement on the haircut, tho


 

offline yoyoyoyo from Sweden on 2008-12-27 12:11 [#02260974]
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dr alban
scooter



 

offline hanal from k_maty only (United Kingdom) on 2008-12-27 12:22 [#02260976]
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quaristice is Ae's finest moment
i dont listen to boc or afx so ive no idea



 

offline Fah from Netherlands, The on 2008-12-27 13:30 [#02260990]
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i like the headfire campfase too


 

offline rad smiles on 2008-12-27 14:47 [#02260995]
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satellite anthem icarus is one of their best tunes ever


 

offline Mask 500 from now on 2008-12-27 14:51 [#02260998]
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Lol


 

offline thatne from United States on 2008-12-27 16:09 [#02261007]
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µ-ziq isn't as good now as he never was


 

offline catfood03 on 2008-12-27 17:10 [#02261013]
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Mike and Rich peaked with "Expert Knob Twiddlers"


 

offline catfood03 on 2008-12-27 17:11 [#02261014]
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... it was more like a valley than a peak


 

offline retape from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2008-12-27 19:01 [#02261034]
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this thread is LAME.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-12-27 19:36 [#02261042]
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hanal refuse(s/d) to listen to the tuss cause too many other
people were listening to it / playing the records in their
mix

tee hee


 

offline catfood03 on 2008-12-27 19:51 [#02261043]
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retape's peak was post #844


 

offline retape from http://retape.net (Norway) on 2008-12-27 19:58 [#02261045]
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:(

:D


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2008-12-27 20:09 [#02261046]
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Yea, that is Mike ans richards offering.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2008-12-27 20:11 [#02261047]
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How 'good' were you 20 years ago wolfslice?


 

offline catfood03 on 2008-12-27 20:13 [#02261048]
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that last post is probably going to be my peak


 

offline catfood03 on 2008-12-27 20:13 [#02261049]
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... and it sucked.


 

offline elusive from detroit (United States) on 2008-12-27 20:45 [#02261050]
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but i will admit, i mostly came into this musics around the
same time period that the 'best' releases were released (my
opinion of best releases; geogaddi, draft, drukqs).

so i have to take that into account, ...subjective opinion
based on discovery period



 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2008-12-27 20:46 [#02261051]
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they might have set the bar so ridiculously high that they
can't ever top themselves... or your expectations of what
they should be doing has been set so ridiculously high that
no matter what they produce will never satisfy what you want
to hear.


 

offline Wolfslice from Bay Area, CA (United States) on 2008-12-28 00:21 [#02261066]
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you nailed it.

this whole machine had been building and building and then
finally we reached the summit...

drukQs
confield
go plastic!
geogaddi
empty the bones of you (I hold this in higher regard than
some here)
--- all within a couple years

the bar was just set insanely high, like you said.

where do you go from there? is there anywhere left to go?
everyone seems to have gone "retro" a bit, back to roots.


 

offline big from lsg on 2008-12-28 01:57 [#02261069]
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rdj could be relevant again, just to me that is, if he made
selected ambient works 2001-2009 (that is make more saw 85
-92 kind of goodness, i dunno, with laptop influences)
do it richie!


 

offline spculum from MÜÜT on 2008-12-28 05:37 [#02261079]
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expectation is a prision


 

offline oxygenfad from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2008-12-28 07:06 [#02261085]
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I agree with Wolfslice


 

offline glasse from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-12-28 11:52 [#02261129]
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artists get more laid back as they get older. maybe
sometimes they are more comfortable in their skill but a tad
less ambitious. it is just good when they still release
work that is interesting and of a high quality, even if
their most essential work is behind them. it is bad when
they completely sell out or jump the shark, which i don't
think has happened with any of these guys.

i dunno about drukqs being the peak for rdj. there are very
very good tracks, but listening to that one as an album is
hard for me. the flow is all off, and there are probably 2
or 3 smaller releases that could have been made from that
sock drawer of tracks. its like putting john cage and
breakcore into a playlist together, unless the different
ideas have been integrated somehow i don't think it
vibes. i end up skipping tracks that i wouldn't have had
they been grouped with like tracks.


 

offline diamondtron on 2008-12-29 06:31 [#02261230]
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u peak when your first record comes out and others peak with
u after that it's all downhill


 

offline thecrimsonguard from ∞ (United States) on 2008-12-29 09:54 [#02261260]
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Again, I disagree. I think that they make what they want to
make and explore musically what interests them. Sort of
like what they did when they made that mind blowing music
you seem to be hung up on. If you like it well, that's
great... and if you don't, I don't think it dampers their
much day either.


 

offline cx from Norway on 2008-12-29 09:56 [#02261261]
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100% agree


 

offline sadist from the dark side of the moon on 2008-12-29 10:31 [#02261268]
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me


 


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