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if you are a christian and someone approaches you asking "do you believe in god" and for a split second you consider the possibility that there is no god and in that split second the person enquiring pulls out a gun and shoots you in the head and you die do you go to heaven or hell? and if you are catholic do you go to heaven, hell, purgatory, or limbo? |
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Did you post your pretend Machine drum to revspereona? |
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hahaa! great question, cygnus. I would probably say that their judgement would be based on the rest of their life and the fact that they had been shot in the head would be taken into account in their favour probably, I dunno. But don't get me wrong, Christianity sucks- it's caused as many wars as any other religion. |
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Tractern & Cygnus! Beautiful. |
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WAT |
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yes you go to hell |
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(Don't Worry) If There's a Hell Below, We're All Going to Go |
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good song + album |
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but youre paying the postmark since it was your idea |
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You wouldn't go to heaven or hell, since they don't exist. You'd just go in the dirt and become worm food. If the guy who shot you doesn't escape the judgement of his fellow monkeys by committing suicide, he'll probably go to jail and get ass raped, because the government purposely uses gay ass raping as a deterrent. If it was just pure solitary confinement, I'd barely even care if I went to prison as it would be pretty much the same as my current life. |
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Mormons go to Gay Heaven and pretend not to like it. |
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You'd go to the 99 virgins oasis. |
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i love the word 'limbo' |
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your question does not take into consideration that many believe salvation is permanent... no matter if disbelief may seem to occur. so I would actually say they would go to heaven. and also their thoughts would be on the gunman and the situation at hand more than lofty thoughts as they have already thought that out by becoming a Christian in the first place. |
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Christianity is a false religion. How can God have a son? Why would God allow himself to die on the cross? |
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It's called trinity. Jesus died to save all sinners, that is everyone. |
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and i'm not even baptised ffs |
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also what is a false religion |
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Christianity is a flase religion because the bible has been corrupted. Jesus isn't God, but he was a prophet of God. |
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christian god is serious god |
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No, . |
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No, there is only 1 God, not 3! 3 Gods is paganism! |
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i'm going to write in this thread-- you fucking baited me, but I'm going to wade through all the uninformation and opinion. here you go: First off, find me a human being who lives according to Christ's precepts, or who can even explain a majority of these precepts-- you can't-- this is because most people, regardless of how they 'identify' religiously, do not have any more than a surface, pop media or word of mouth seeded "relationship" with christ, or perhaps they "hear christ" in their heads. If they hear a voice in their head, and it explains christ's actual precepts, it is because they've established themselves within those precepts-- otherwise, they are simply suffering from mild schizm (like most people) and use the second personality as a buffer As far as Christ's precepts-- they are so distorted from whatever Christ may have actually meant that modern exemplifications of them DO NOT EXIST. The best example I can give of these things lies in this question: "Why did Christ not ever laugh?" There is likely an answer to this question related to unified brain function being able to deal with all nervous stimulus in ways that fragmented humans cannot. Now-- remember, that when you go knocking "christians" in america, or "christians" in saudi arabia, you are actually just knocking a stereotype. Before you start making silly assumptions that will cut you off from what is actually VALUABLE and ESSENTIAL to understanding, you should learn about what Alchemy is in relationship to Gnosticism-- why alchemy emerged-- which I can briefly describe as a means for christians to reconnect to the abandoned cthonic realm. All religions are best understood from ritualistic or esoteric angles, in my opinion. It's all about WILL, and the issue of WILL, and the will to do anything at all, is all but settled. if you care at all about anything, you are a fool to attribute it all to "just you" or "just not you"-- this merger of the two is what I suspect is most valuable in |
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sometimes referred to as dwelling within christ, as christ dwelled within the father, this speaks to the inseperability of man from god (whatever resides in and outside the known universe)-- note that "man" or a conscious entity will always reside within a known universe. These ideas exist in all religions, and are at the core of symbolism, ritualism, and society. You think Christianity is a crazy fucked up religion? American Consumerism is so fucked up that most who practice it still go through the rituals, donate their time, money, and souls, without even knowing it is a religion. In ANY "cult," you will find 'leaders' who are viewed as enlightened by their followers. A follower who realizes their leader is NOT GOD, but that path to God exists only within themselves, is suddenly not enculturated as they were before. The development of will by which to be free is the essential character of all religion, and it is admitted that this will can be achieved only by a process. You can't you read some shit, make up some prayers, and be holy. Nor can you put money in a basket for holiness. You think you have free will? Take a vow of silence and see how long you last. Try to do anything creative and see how accidental actually is. |
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Also, Dante's Divine Comedy is a story, not physical location. Also, one of the trickiest parts of "hell" is that YOU DON'T KNOW YOU'RE THERE. |
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There's only one god and he exists as three persons. I don't actually believe in this, but you know |
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YOU KNOW, YOU NEEDLE-DICKED PANSIES COWER IN FEAR WHEN I WHIP MY TOWERING CYCLOPS OUT. MY PENIS CONSUMES LIGHT AND WHOLE ASTEROIDS LIKE THEY WERE NOTHING. ONE TIME I GOT AN ERECTION AND WELL THAT CAUSED A WHOLE GALAXY TO BE SHATTERED BY THE SHEER FORCE. WHEN I EJACULATE IT CAUSES THE GRAVITATIONAL CONSTANT OF THE UNIVERSE TO BE ALTERED BECAUSE OF THE SUDDEN INCREASE IN MASS. AT THE END OF TIME THERE WILL BE NOTHING LEFT IN THE UNIVERSE BUT DARK MATTER AND MY PENIS. MY PENIS EXISTS IN FOUR DIMENSIONS, EXPANDING OUTWARD AT LIGHT SPEED LIKE TIME ITSELF. MY PENIS COMPOSES THE UNIVERSE AND TICKLES AZATHOTH'S OMNIPOTENT BUNGHOLE WHEN THE STARS ARE RIGHT. ENTROPY IS BUT A FART IN THE WIND FOR MY PENIS. MY PENIS CAN BREAK MATHEMATICS! IT IS ABLE TO TRANSCEND REALITY AND DESTROY HUMAN THOUGHT WITH ITS SHEER VOLUME AND MASS. MY PENIS HAS A PENIS, AND THAT PENIS IS STILL BIGGER THAN YOUR PENIS. |
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The bible has been corrupted. Jesus IS NOT GOD. God cannot take physical form, He is unlike anything we can imagine. |
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um.. and lastly, I guess--- you will learn much more about the trinity studying universal harmony (triads, dog), and the numbers 0-9 |
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quaristice-- "He" is unlike anything we can imagine? I can imagine a "he-god" pretty well. God is just a word, and it means nothing. We can say nothing about God in this thread, only about ourselves, but within ourselves we're able to imagine God, with the "mind-image"-- you know when you're asleep and you have an epiphany but can't remember it when you wake up? Or if you've ever tried nitrous oxide-- kind of like that. This is because our minds are actually IN THE WAY between us and God, or universal consciousness. All you have to do is meditate, or focus your brain, and your imagination of what God is or what it can be will grow. In fact, go listen to some binaural beats and they'll get you closer. so, on a final note--- "i hate God, he hates me-- whoa no not hell damnit God you FAG, why'd you do this to me?" blasphemy is better than censorship. |
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there are so many contradictions in christianity that when i think about it i can feel my logic breaking down in tears |
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Religion just represents a fragmentation of the idea of self. I don't think it's good or bad but, all religions lead to the same path. Or like that quote says, "All paths lead to the same destination" |
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This is where I outright disagree with you. You cannot have a brain-borne idea of what God is, and in fact the Brain is what disconnects you from anything you would call Godlike. The disconnect doesn't remove you from whatever spiritual essence there is, it just prevents you from experiencing it as a self evident reality beacause you're relying on brain activity. The brain has no idea about anything spiritual. It's a calculator. |
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Just look at that terminoloy, "Imagine god" "Imag (image) - God" . That's all you can look at. An image, not God. The brain can imagine a lot but it's by no means capable of grasping the essence of something that lacks physical form. The brain cannot grasp a "nothing" . It's a computer. |
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What I don't understand is why would a perfect being create imperfection, us. I also don't understand how we can have free will if all instances of time and matter are traced back to one creator that knows everything that we will do before we exist. I really don't know if there is a god or not, but it doesn't make sense that there should be one or at least the way god is described in the bible or any holy book. |
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You wouldn't even be able to understand it on the level of imperfection. Would you? And that's all the human mind can do. Right? Tell me if I'm wrong here |
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Most revelations have been corrupted by men since they were revealed. |
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We sin because we are imperfect, that's why we need salvation or whatever, to give our devotion to god and follow its rules because we are imperfect. I think. I lost myself I think. But anyway, god made us imperfect, sinners. It's supposed to be perfect right? But made us sinners to worship it. I'm lost. Maybe someone can illuminate... |
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Now, I don't consider myself an idiot (maybe others do), but what you wrote makes absolutely no sense. It's jargon. Do you have any real grasp of what it is you are attempting to say? Can you in any way integrate it into your life? It seems to me that descent into the language you used is a defence mechanism. |
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How can the body receive salvation? It is impossible. It's an object, it's a thing. Unless the essence which gives salvation is also a "thing" then how can it receive transubstantiation? Furthermore if you are conscious of your body and your sense perceptions, self aware of the machine then you have already transubstantiated, haven't you? Is this the case or am I wrong? |
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Unless what you're referring to as "salvation" is actually Death! |
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what do you mean by transubstantiation? |
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Transmuting. If "you" are receiving salvation, then what is actually being rescued from destruction? The body has to die either way, your consciousness ends. Death happens no matter what. And if you're aware of your body, haven't you already done this? Haven't you already transmuted from form to formlessness? |
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I don't what you mean exactly. God is supposed to be perfect, but it made people which are flawed. That's basically what I'm trying to get across. It doesn't make sense. I think maybe you are on to something else. |
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Cygnus, I don't understand what you're saying. I'm not trying to be a smart-arse, but I can't grasp what it is you are getting at. Either I'm lacking, or what you are talking about makes no sense. What is salvation? What is being destroyed that can be rescued? "The body has to die either way, your consciousness ends. Death happens no matter what." This bit I understand. I am aware of my body, so what is it that I have already done? Transmuted from form to formless? Surely body is form? So if I am aware of my body, surely I am in the realm of form? Whatever that actually means. |
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I know, and I mean to say that it does not make sense on an imperfect level. Perfection cannot make sense on an imperfect level. Your brain is imperfect, so it can't understand something that's perfect. Maybe a brief glimpse of the utter brilliance of something that is complete beyond practical or theoretical improvement, but short-lived since the brain is just a computer. |
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I mean to say that if you are aware of your body then you are not your body. If you are holding a camera and videotaping a concert, you may find yourself sucked into the performance through the lens of the machine, but it is not you. You are holding the machine. So you'd snap out of it once you reminded yourself you were holding the camera and you actually were not the camera. |
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Are you saying that a perfect being can create imperfect beings and still be perfect? It's just that we don't have the ability to understand how that can be? |
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