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OK, that makes sense. We are aware of the body, but we are not the body. We are aware of the mind but we are not the mind. This is similar to some Buddhist ideas. Thanks dude |
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brazil: If you are a fragmented, incomplete piece of work then you can have no concept of what completion beyond practical and theoretical improvement is. If your imperfect self desired it and then knew what it was to be perfect - it would become it. The fact even that the imperfect thing has a desire to be perfect means it is still imperfect, it is not complete. If it is perfect then why does it desire something? Why does it desire perfection? Hahaha. If it desires something, then it does not have something, and it's not perfect. darkp; no prob man |
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This actually makes a lot of sense, Cygnus-san. |
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1: Heaven 2: Purgatory Case closed. |
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No, there is only 1 God, not 3! 3 Gods is paganism! This is the best way I ever thought of to try and explain this. You, or any person exists as atoms, molecules and cells. Each has its own, separate unique system and role, but each is 100% you. You are not 33% of each, and your atoms, molecules and cells do not make up 3 different people. There is just one you, one human being. So because God is revealed in 3 identities does not mean there isn't only 1 God. You can't assume that the criteria to be God is like the criteria to be a person, where 1 person has 1 identity. It could be like the criteria that makes up a seashore. 1 seashore is made up of millions to billions of grains of sand, but each grain of sand is not 1 seashore. |
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I don't buy it, sorry, it's too elaborate. God is one, He has no need to have a physical(Jesus) and a spiritual(holy ghost) form |
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Cygnus-- i understand you, and what you're saying. At the level of "salvation" as a gift from god, I can only describe this as the difference between living in hell and living in heaven IN the present, which is all we really know or have. Now, about our brains-- yes, there are parts of our brains which separate us from god, namely any part of it which is not in use towards an aim (getting unseperated being my primary aim). There are different levels of mind, but getting words or symbols involved is actually just 'buffering'-- because God, or life, or whatever, can be scary, or just plain too much for a biological consciousness Cygnus, as soon as we put it into our words, or any kind of abstraction not intimately and wholly experienced, we can start putting 'holes' into it. This is why I feel God only in the gaps-- the absolute is impossible on a logical level, yet... And dark promenade-- there is no such thing as nonsense. if something doesn't make sense to you, its because you've approached it from the wrong direction. What kind of 'defending' am I doing? Mr. Brazil, a you assume that 'perfect being' means something that exists within our universe, and is not simply that whole itself-- No matter what you do right now, you cannot change that you've read this, because things fall into place. If they didn't fall into place, there would be nothing at all. Now, if everything just falls into place (sometimes referred to as the Grace of God), one should make quick business of simply accepting, asking mercy, and stop trying to be anything but a part of this fantastic whole, rather than trying to be a perfect whole in and of oneself (no man is an island)-- The AMAZING part, is when and if you start this journey, you may find your 'self' to be something you never imagined possible. So-- yes, Cygnus, no you can't imagine it without 'transubstantiation' however you can never wholly imagine it. I want to be able to relax every muscle in my body, but I do not inten |
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what cygnus wrote above-- about 'fragmentation'-- this is at the crux of all this. how defragmented can a human being get? Imagine they've wholly integrated all their nervous function, they know exactly how far they can run at a dead sprint from here to 100 feet away, and TRULY investigate all opportunities that would be presented to A HUMAN BEING, Now, what do they decide to do with this power in the domain of human beings? The WILL to do things comes from OUTSIDE of us in the impulses to which we react-- that is the flow-- but as you may see if you begin looking for this will to do things, that you are actually outside of yourself as well. |
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And once again-- the trinity is well illustrated by triadic relation between all things-- music and harmony. It is strange to me to consider a perfect 'being' that is any more human being than a rock is being or nothing is being. Perfect being is just that-- being. |
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illfates; there are parts of our brains which separate us from god, namely any part of it which is not in use towards an aim (getting unseperated being my primary aim). Your brain is a computer man. It sees a task that needs to be done and does it until it's finished. If any part of your brain is used to understand anything "spiritual", or anything that does not have form, it's just a means to an end. It will change quickly. You brain's already waiting for the next one as it's begun to embark on the first journey. If the human idea of world peace is some logically ascertained formula they've concocted in their head, it will never happen. Why? Because it came from the source of the problem! Their head! If we are trying to understand God with our heads then we might as well be trying to solve a math problem or build an atomic bomb, or do a morning masturbation. |
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Religion just represents a fragmentation of the idea of self. I don't think it's good or bad but, all religions lead to the same path. Or like that quote says, "All paths lead to the same destination" |
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if i am enjoying a pleasent fondle of myself and suddenly get a homoerotic thought in my head, followed swiftly by a bullet to my brain from the sniper who shoots me outside my window, will i die a homo? |
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We don't need Jesus to answer that one, my fruity friend. |
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What you write is nonsense. "yes, there are parts of our brains which separate us from god, namely any part of it which is not in use towards an aim" ???????? "This is why I feel God only in the gaps" So you feel God do you? "No matter what you do right now, you cannot change that you've read this, because things fall into place." What do you mean by this? (In fact, that whole paragraph is rubbish) "And once again-- the trinity is well illustrated by triadic relation between all things-- music and harmony." No it isn't. The two are unrelated. You're a bullshit artist who hides behind language. |
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interesting concept, all of this. it seems (not from this topic) but any Christian worth their salt would debate in their mind whether God is real or not; which logically would lead to their faith (which is why I called them Christian, it's an example). I would agree that God (the Trinity) is in all things to one degree or another; yet I am not going to convince someone like darkpromenade, whose view of life is the polar opposite of mine on such a matter. it's a great thing to be able to make a choice. |
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This is all a bunch glossolalia. Aptly so. |
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says the man with called "Mr Brazil". tell me sir... are you even married to Brazil, you sham you! |
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blame my mother, she emailed it to me this morning |
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That is funny. |
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I don't think I'll ever be allowed to get married to a Ms. Brazil if I wanted. At least in the state I live. |
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I think you might have misunderstood my position. I actually agree with your statement "God is in all things". Well, I might not agree with it, but I think it is a reasonable statement to make. Your position and mine on these matters is remarkably close. My problem with illfates is the language he uses and the statements he makes. The language is convoluted at best and meaningless at worst. I don't believe he has the slightest understanding of what he says. Certainly he has no real-word experience to back up his statements. He's read some books and thrown together a whole mess of ideas into something that he tries to pass of as well constructed. But it is nonsense. He's a fraud. I usually don't get involved in this type of thing and it shows a degree of weakness on my behalf that I have bothered to get involved this time. |
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and the cartoon tiger developed in fantasy by an adolescent mind, used by an adult in a forum focused on dorky music generated made on computers/electronics does not understand my wording, ah well. perhaps next time Hobbes old pal; Watterson would be proud, I'm sure. sorry darkpromenade for getting your words wrong. and Falito has caught on that Google ads always lead to the True Path; I'm going to go kill myself now. |
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im getting scientology ads |
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I AM A FRAUD, A SHAM, if THAT IS WHAT I AM I'm just trying to throw you a line-- maybe you'll bite and go read a book or two yourself. Do you leave room for things you don't understand? Try and learn to play 6 hits on one hand in the time of 7 on the other-- Do you know who Richard Feynman is/was? Two words: bong - go And yeah-- i feel, and by feel I mean, I sense the presence of, have developed an idiosyncratic faith in reality, and my ability to realize, shape, and (by the grace of god) enjoy it. |
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Hey I thought of a better way to explain what I mean: You brain has the capacity match patterns out some kind of pattern rich 'reality' matching patterns is/are divine. by divine, I mean GREAT in eyes, scales of eyes, holy tiers of eyes |
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illfates, you think and express too much in such a casual and crude forum as this. but it's nice to see some of your complicated views; even if I disagree with them. |
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Classic! I only know Feynman from his work on the Challenger disaster...... You're still not making sense. Your (suposedly complicated) views are incomplete and illogical. You just spout bullshit my friend. I call fraud. I call charlatan. I call pretender. You cannot effectively communicate your apparant contact with the Divine. You're just full of shit mate. |
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what do I care what you think? |
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I don't know, but you bothered to reply to my last few posts. I'll just assume you can't use simpler language to describe your "revelations". |
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im getting scientology aids fixed that for you |
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You are quite insane. |
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when I was about 19, i got home-invaded and robbed by some guys with guns.. i was pretty traumatized. i went down to berkeley for a summer. the first day I was there i found a lady on craigslist who needed help repairing rabbit urine stains on her hardwood floors and preparing her house for sale. she was narcoleptic treated with dexedrine and had a 13 year old daughter from a busted marriage, and had just survived cancer. after I worked for her that day she offered to let me stay in the swank cottage behind her main house. in exchange, i helped her there with a variety of things, including watering her garden. i'd never really put a lot of thought into plants and animals before this, and I had some kind of crazy "creative insights" into the differences in mobility of physical things. One morning I dreamt of a dot on a glowing red plane, it was spinning, though I could not tell (cuz it was just a spot) until it began to phase into 2 spots spinning around and back into 1 -- the thing was resonating fantastically-- 2-3-5-3 spots all cycling and then I woke up The sun was streaming in the window and had been the red plane-- I followed it to the carpet in the middle of the room, and there was a bee, a big bumblebee that was sometimes in the room in the mornings, they or it would fly in from the garden well it was dead, and clutched into the carpet in a tiny death embrace, in the morning sun i picked it up, and named it "Not Bee," and took it down to a copy shop downtown where I scanned it at very very very high resolution. I made a picturebook called "reperceiver" about the future, where everyone begins to have the same dream, and consciousness and individuality begin to flux, and everyone becomes the same individual hive entity it really blew me away then--- i didn't know where the 'creativity' or whatever was coming from, but I loved it, still love it-- My idea of the divine is that like a neuron in my body, my body is a 'impulse' modulator for larger systems, |
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larger systems about which I cannot directly know anything, but if I am receptive, can create creative abstractions which sort of make sense in this dimensionality-- in human time, or at least suggest the presence of a higher order. have you ever seen the Escher drawing of the two dimensional dragon trying to become three dimensional? i heard once that it was perfectly acceptable for me to invent my own religion. i always fancied it, but didn't really have a clue what religion was for, which made it very difficult to begin that sort of inventing. then i was forced out of my comfort zone, repeatedly, and worried much more about animal terrors-- creating the trauma INTO art, into a third thing, which was not just remembered and re-experienced self, has saved me in this life, i don't know about any others. but where creativity comes from, and why some people don't ever get to experience certain things.. why some people have power over others.. these are, to me, questions of religion and its evolution |
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i admire the synthesis between induism and sufi islam happened in the indian subcontinent under the king Akbar the great, despite the various inadequacies of both religions and what basically was an aristocratic society, way before the brits started to slaughter people here and there. |
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