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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 09:53 [#02247590]
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the fact that religion mixes truths and lies is what makes it so dangerous, and i'm not saying that Barcode is arrogant, rather not very responsible, but he wouldn't give a fuck anyways.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 09:58 [#02247591]
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and, honestly, i don't give a fuck about what Barcode says too.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 10:37 [#02247597]
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Someone like Mohamed would call me a pessimist because he thinks the world can be changed "one day" through changing the value system via religion, socialism, capitalism, whatever - they are all the same, man made philosophies that are not grounded in reality.
When I speak of truth, I am not talking about a system, I am talking about FACTS.
The big, big problem of humankind is that it believes thought has made it superior to the other animals it shares the planet with.
Animals live in total 100% truth. They live in reality, with no distortion of that facts whatsoever. Whereas mankind has invested everything in thought, which is an illusion generator. The misuse of thought has divorced humankind from reality almost completely, whereupon it lives a life based on symbols and philosophies - not the actual truth.
You can call it pessimistic, optimistic, nihilistic or any other "listic" you want. The FACT is. There is no God, there is no buddha, there is no England, there is no "you" named "Mohamed". These are ALL symbols, invented by thought and therefore completely meaningless. The more you pray to them, fight for them, cherish them, and see them for anything other than the pointless symbols they are, the more utterly lost you will become and the further and further you will divorce yourself from reality.
Changing the names, the symbols, the systems is equally meaningless as long as you give them any more credence than what a name should be for, convenience.
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2008-10-23 10:44 [#02247598]
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anyone notice that barcode is just as much an obnoxious true believer as the most strident fundie?
thank god i can resist the urge to argue his inane points.
must resist..."animals live in reality, with no distortion of the facts"...gah! must...log...off....
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 10:59 [#02247599]
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i'm beginning to think that you can't/won't read what i type
Someone like Mohamed would call me a pessimist because he
thinks the world can be changed "one day" through changing the value system via religion, socialism, capitalism, whatever - they are all the same, man made philosophies that
are not grounded in reality.
i said that we can actually change our life and eventually become happier than the way we are if we learn to use our BRAIN properly, and not giving the chance to the subconscious mind (you call it cerebellum right?), may it be filled with parents' wrong education, religions or past life experiences to drive our life at our post.
can you understand this?
what differences us from animals is the proportion of the frontal lobe of the brain to the rest of every living creature. the frontal lobe is responsible of free willing amongst a lot of other things, and is the 30 to 40 percent of our neocortex. wise people (call it prophets, boddisatthvas, men of peace ect) said it in the past in philosophicals manners but with the recent explosion of brain research via new technologies those philosophical assumpions are being proved in the labs.
believe it or not, people can cure their psychic suffering if they really want, if you didn't know thoughts cause emotions, emotions are chemical reactions that harm your body other than you mind and influence other people's life so if you can control thoughts, and it's hard, you can avoid yourself unhappness, diseases, you can live a lot more than a doctor told you if you got a very bad disease, and sorround the people near you with something good rather than the tv news you are used to report.
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 10:59 [#02247600]
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Read a book by Wilhelm Reich called Listen, Little Man. It's all about you. The damaged, mechanical-thinking, insecure toad that pours acid on people's words because you haven't the merest hint of intellect enabling you do anything other than that.
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-crazone
from smashing acid over and over on 2008-10-23 11:01 [#02247601]
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two words:
"dark" and "light".
Thats it.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:01 [#02247602]
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fuck the typos, you got the picture ot you won't
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-10-23 11:02 [#02247604]
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what are you talking about fact?? this is just your own philosophy which itself has been distorted likely by some form of bitterness or depression. you aren't seeing this more clearly than everyone else, who are you kidding? if all of these other systems, ideas and philosophies are meaningless than you have to see that yours is too. how do you know there is no god? you can't disprove it to me anymore than i can prove it to you. i think the evidence is actually in favor of there being some sort of higher order beyond the atom, and some sort of mind that has organized all of it. it is all organized, you know..
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 11:10 [#02247605]
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I do read your type, and if you read mine you would have noticed that I already answered to what you wrote.
The hope that humankind will change "eventually" will never happen. We'll all be dead before then, so how about WE change NOW.
So we're waiting for science to fix it? What a cop out. Science didn't cause it, so why do we need science to fix it?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:11 [#02247606]
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do you know that people with 20 years of paralysis caused by cerebral artery stroke HAVE REGAINED THE MOVEMENT OF THEIR PARALIZED LIMBS? do you know that blind people can see with the tongue? THIS IS FUCKING REAL!
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 11:14 [#02247609]
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Fact isn't a philosophy. Fact is fact - what you see with your eyes and ears, without distortion from thought. As animals don't have thought interrupting there senses and telling them what they see, feel, hear and taste is something else, they see things with complete purity.
I don't have a philosophy, that's the whole point of what I'm saying.
And it's not up to me to disprove god or a higher order, it's up to you to prove it. If I said I saw Elvis riding a cow on the moon, would it be up to you to disprove it or would you presume I am barking mad?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:14 [#02247610]
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it's not science that fix it, forward thinking science is beginning to explain the role of the brain into our lifes. and giving ALOT of people a chance, more than a fucking religion ever did.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:14 [#02247611]
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it US who fix it!
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:16 [#02247613]
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cause humans started all this shit, making thoughts became reality. awww
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:22 [#02247614]
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intelligence, consciousness, force of will tell you something? i hope so.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-23 11:41 [#02247620]
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sorry for all these posts but i wanted to add (and then i'lll shut up i promise)
senses are the truth to those who doesn't have enough knowledge/or intelligence if they have access to knowledge to understand that reality is not what our eyes see. you build your own reality basing on your past experiences that are stored on your subconscius mind, so you make choices basing on the fears, the insecurities and the sufferings you had in the past. reality is the perception of things, and you perceive things with your brain, you can see why having control and free willing of what comes into your mind is so important. living in the present, filtering all the shit that this culture feed you everyday is living new experiences, new emoptions, watching the little good things the can happen to you everyday, somebody call them coincidences. but when coincidences are more than two they are not coincidences anymore. it's like when you fall in love, you are 100% present to yourself and special things happens to you. somebody once said that we are what we have thought, and we will be what we are thinking today.
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-10-23 11:44 [#02247621]
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If we are all Gods children what is so special about Jesus?
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-10-23 11:48 [#02247622]
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further more: What's so special about the special fried rice?
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2008-10-23 11:56 [#02247623]
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Seems that many people likes to cover their religions with ethics, arguing that it helps to seek for good. Maybe its true but its just becouse of dogmas property in religion to do what it told. It would be beter to understand why to do that way, but not just do, for someone who died for you and so on.
Seems life quality is more dependent of mental state of human, than proper thinking which is paradox becouse proper thinking couses good brain status. Can stupid man live his life in happines? I think yes, it is dependent of what you call happines. I think everyone of us have colected array of rules which forms our happines in our lifes. If your rule is not rules, it is first rule for you. So if you state that seek for happines is meaningless and life is meaningless, than automaticly your actions become irational for you, so whats the point of such thinking? Its like closing eyes and just sit and wait what will be. So point is that sooner or later everyone finds his path
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Falito
from Balenciaga on 2008-10-23 12:02 [#02247624]
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hollywood is the mecca , oh la la... and Vatican its the Military central control,on the war of religion.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2008-10-23 12:12 [#02247626]
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trinity
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Barcode
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-23 12:14 [#02247627]
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When I say life is meaningless, that doesn't mean hopeless despair. On the contrary. We would be so much happier if we realised life WAS meaningless, and then just got on with doing whatever we want to do - with responsibility.
Trying to give life meaning where none exists - through religion or other cultural models, is playing havoc with the species and has caused untold misery, conflict and violent premature death.
Instead humans need to accept life for what it is, a transient moment, and deal with making the most of the reality around us absent of any conflict. Then we will automatically be a lot happier, safer, more secure. How than can be construed as pessimistic or fatilistic is beyond me.
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nightex
from Šiauliai (Lithuania) on 2008-10-23 12:58 [#02247644]
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My meening of life is search for meening of life. Without meening life is pointless.
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AphexAcid
from Sweden on 2008-10-31 15:51 [#02249208]
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Monkey talk.
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w M w
from London (United Kingdom) on 2008-10-31 17:03 [#02249225]
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ha ah ha ah ha ah
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Tractern
from Brighton (United Kingdom) on 2008-11-01 10:43 [#02249374]
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That slam poem was awesome- thanks for that.
There's a lot of that kind of stuff going on pretty near to where I live- this has encouraged me to go see it now, so cheers.
I also love the way that theat guy even made fun of slam poetry, with the grading of noises bit. Pretty cool.
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