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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 10:01 [#02235792]
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Hello, my first apple computer has arrived today. I haven't purchased the apple care plan yet as the store I purchased it from offers their own warranty service. I have 30 days from the date of purchase to decide which service I want, if either.
So, could the mac users on this forum offer any advice? Should I worry about a brand new mac having problems which might require the warranty service? I've heard that the macbooks often suffer battery problems, but I've bought a desktop so it shouldn't be affected by that issue.
Also, this being my first mac, I'm unsure about what virus and spyware protection is best for Apple computers. Any advice on this subject would be helpful.
Finally, I use Mozilla Firefox on my PCs, should I continue to use it on my Mac, or is there a better browser you might recommend?
Any input would be appreciated. Thanks :]
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-09-10 10:05 [#02235794]
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The new model is out next month you loon! Why did you buy it now?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 10:10 [#02235795]
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well, partly because I didn't do any research into when the next iteration was being released (my fault), and partly because I figured Apple, whenever they did decide to release something new, would charge more than it's really worth.
Although, if it's going to be the same price as what I paid, I submit here and now that I am an ass. =/
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ecnadniarb
on 2008-09-10 10:16 [#02235796]
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I was joking...if you always wait for what is just around the corner then you would never end up buying anything.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-09-10 10:18 [#02235797]
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buy the extended warranty now, period. macs usually start to have problems a month after the normal warranty expires. at least that's what happened to me, both with an eMac G4 desktop (burner fucked dup) and with a MacBook pro (battery related issues).
don't worry about viruses, but pay attention if you use k'ed software cos some developers have been including malware in their little progs. that caused the deletion of users' entire home directory, which is illegal in any case.
little snitch and/or netbarrier are way enough to get rid of thoughts imo.
safari is the best browser ever.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 10:18 [#02235798]
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haha yeah I'm thinking far too seriously... I guess that's because I don't know nearly as much about macs as I do PC's... Feeling a bit like a child learning to swim today. :)
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 10:19 [#02235799]
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thanks for the advice, I think I'll have to purchase the apple care plan to be safe.
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vlari
from beyond the valley of the LOLs on 2008-09-10 10:20 [#02235800]
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its a classic case, sir. nothing to be ashamed of.
i never bothered getting apple care, although if you see yourself with a bit of oscillik in you, you might want to get it. i had a 3 year imac die on me not too long ago and it got fixed free of charge. the battery on my macbook is a bit fucked though, but they have an exchange program on that, so i'm just waiting for it to fuck out completely and get it replaced.
never bothered with virus protection, but there might be something ready to wreck havoc soon, i dunno. I think the user can do most harm to ones macincomputer.
Just continue using Firefox, there's nothing wrong in that. Should make the transition a bit easier.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-09-10 10:26 [#02235801]
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I think the user can do most harm to ones macincomputer.
true, especially do not mess with the system folder and preferences files! playing with permissions on a mac can be pretty dangerous, you might want to do regular system maintenance using Disk Utility and DiskWarrior
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larn
from PLANET E (United Kingdom) on 2008-09-10 10:39 [#02235804]
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don't bother with anti virus software it's a waste of money, iv'e never had any problems.
it takes a little while to get used to a mac, but once you get the hang of them, they are the best machines
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2008-09-10 10:55 [#02235814]
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i got a macbook and they released the new one about a week later but they swapped it for me, i have had an imac and this macbook and never had the protection plan thing and, touch wood, havent had any issues so far.
never used antivirus software, never had a virus.
i use firefox 3 even though safari is good i think their are more plugins for firefox that im just used to (developer toolbar, delicious etc)
anyway you will probably start to wonder why you used windows for so long, kiss goodbye to crashes, labourious processes, annoying popup windows, stupid questions, etc etc etc
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 11:00 [#02235817]
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Well I've connected to the internet, and logged into XLT for the first time on my Mac! Thanks for the advice, you guys are the best!
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 11:16 [#02235827]
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Does anyone know how to check your computer's hardware from within mac os? Basically, I'd like to double check that this computer has the right amount of ram and harddisk space, that sort of thing. To give you a better idea of the info I'm after, in windows you can get this information by right clicking on 'my computer' and viewing the properties. Thanks.
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2008-09-10 11:17 [#02235828]
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if it really is a totally new revision (enclosure etc) it'll prolly be about nine months till apple straightens out all the manufacturing bugs so i wouldn't feel too bad about purchasing now.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-09-10 11:18 [#02235831]
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/Applications/Utility/System Profiler
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-09-10 11:18 [#02235832]
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apple menu (upper left) \ about this mac \ more info...
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glasse
from Harrisburg (United States) on 2008-09-10 11:19 [#02235833]
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that works too
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 11:22 [#02235837]
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ah, yeah, I just found that, thanks!
also, its nice to know as many shortcuts, commands, etc. as possible, so thanks mohammed. :)
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lupus yonderboy
from 1970. (United Kingdom) on 2008-09-10 11:24 [#02235841]
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this is useful
LAZY_fan
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horsefactory
from 💠 (United Kingdom) on 2008-09-10 11:27 [#02235845]
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applications > utilities > system profiler
check out quicksilverit's a great tool for your Apple Macintoshâ„¢ computer system
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 11:37 [#02235853]
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This is probably going to be a very silly question, but which is the correct way to load a disc into the slot-drive? I put a disc in, with the label facing me about 2/3rds of the way into the drive and it didn't grab the disc as I would have expected it to. Should the top (label) side be facing away from me when loading the disc?
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 11:54 [#02235856]
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Oh I see, you have to put it like 95% of the way into the slot before it auto-loads. good to know :)
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010101
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2008-09-10 13:15 [#02235871]
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Do you have a mac store near you?
If so there is no point getting the warranty apple care stuff, I took mine into the mac store and they were really helpful my hard drive died but luckely I was running time machine and that did a great job of restoring everything after I put in a new drive.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-10 13:39 [#02235882]
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Well, I know that there is one in a large mall about 2.5 hrs drive from me. I know the route well enough that aside from taking the time to drive out there, visiting it would be relatively painless. I'm browsing apple's website trying to find a store locator but have thus far been unsuccessful. I'll keep looking, perhaps there's a closer location in my area.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-11 16:45 [#02236107]
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that does seem useful. I downloaded and was about to install it, but it said something about it not being compatible with 10.5.4. Also it said something about making sure I've got any other fan speed programs uninstalled... mac o/s doesn't have a built in one, right?
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-09-12 04:26 [#02236264]
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mac o/s doesn't have a built in one, right?
right
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Arsey Rob
from Derby (United Kingdom) on 2008-09-12 06:48 [#02236280]
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can't really be bothered to read this thread, but... all apple hardware is covered by one year warranty anyway (applecare). this is worldwide. you can take it to any Authorized Service Provider and get it looked at and fixed for free. note: this does not include software issues (but alot of places will still check it over if it's within the first year)
anytime in the first year you can buy the applecare extension for an extra 2 years. this makes a lot of sense with most machines because all it takes is a graphics card to fail (for instance) and applecare has paid for itself. having said that, it's more of peace of mind.
also note: applecare does not cover any accidental damage. so if you spill beer into your macbook you'll get a very hefty quote for repairs (like the cost of a new machine). so get it covered on household insurance too
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-09-12 17:39 [#02236420]
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thanks for the advice, Rob.
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avart
from nomo' on 2008-09-13 02:43 [#02236491]
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...don't worry about having bought a mac now, it's always good to buy a tried and tested model - the first version of any mac is almost always full of bugs and various weird problems...
/macuser since 93'
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hedphukkerr
from mathbotton (United States) on 2008-09-13 02:57 [#02236492]
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"if you spill beer into your macbook you'll get a very hefty quote for repairs"
this has happened to me. twice now. and yet apple care extended warranty has still covered itself.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-10-09 11:09 [#02243865]
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hi again, I was just searching for the 'print screen' button on my mac keyboard and I don't believe I see one. Is there a keyboard shortcut I can use, or any free programs for mac that can do screen capture? thanks.
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-10-09 11:15 [#02243869]
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ah, I found a program called CaptureMe which works the trick. still interested to learn if there's a keyboard command that does a full screen capture, though.
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2008-10-09 11:19 [#02243870]
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I just got a new macbook too-- get the applecare, I've had 2 other mac laptops that've met bitter ends in dangerous lifestyles. Some guy like me might come along and drop your shit on its head, get the warranty.
Look into the fact/potentiality of your newfound UNIXiness. There is a huge domain of nix geekdom and added functionality available, a lot of it you can find through apple's portals among other places. There should be a screen cap-- I think it is, yes, it is, cmd-shift-3
Also, I can't remember the shortcut, but you can zoom on screen as well. Also, check out "grapher" which should come preinstalled on your machine-- you can use it to render things JUST LIKE YOUR SWEET AVATAR (nice interference pattern, homeslice!!) --- open up grapher, load the torus example (or any others you desire)--- it helps if you are familiar with,.. whatsitcalled...
oh yeah math
congratulations, you are thinking different, but don't get attached to the brand, it will eat your soul
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blaaard
from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-10-09 11:33 [#02243874]
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command+shift+3
you'll find a gift on your desktop.
do not fear using the built in help system. it is actually quite useful.
ia am super happy with my MB Pro bought in April. I can not imagine EVER going back to Windows.
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illfates
from space (United States) on 2008-10-09 11:34 [#02243875]
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also, commandshift-4 gives you a crosshairs to snap a custom size square-- pdf to desktop
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-09 12:08 [#02243882]
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Saint Steve Jobs of Cupertino has decreed that Apple stuff will never go wrong, so you don't need a warranty.
Of course when it does go wrong it's your fault, but you're too infatuated by those pastel shades and curved edges to care!
Anyway, I hope you enjoy your box of massively over priced off the shelf PC parts and fruit based operating system.
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blaaard
from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-10-09 12:13 [#02243883]
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fruit based operating system can be set up to sync and route midi messages between machines wirelessly within 30 seconds. :D :D
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-09 12:36 [#02243888]
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another trick
command-shift-4, then press the space bar
you get a little camera with which you can take a screenshot of a specific window of your browser/running program
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-09 12:41 [#02243890]
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*with its own shade and layer transparency
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blaaard
from Imatra (close to sky) (Finland) on 2008-10-09 12:45 [#02243891]
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^nice
moar: on a laptop with multitouch, hold ctrl, then scroll up with two fingers = zoom in, scroll down to zoom out.
get Perian quicktime components to open all sorts of video formats with Quicktime.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-09 12:48 [#02243892]
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so instead of a "print screen" button they've made life much easier? hmmm
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-10-09 13:01 [#02243895]
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Thanks for the help, guys.
Dave: you don't have to go on a PC-crusade in here, no one is a bigger PC fan than me. I'll be needing this computer for school or I wouldn't have spent the money on it. I hope you can forgive me.
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-09 13:01 [#02243896]
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it prints a window without doing it manually. makes sense?
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-09 13:20 [#02243911]
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not really. On my gnome desktop I'm afraid I must stop my crusade as ordered.
Just to be clear: I'm no fan of PCs, if a PC was a smug as a mac I'd bash it too. Just look at those I'm a pc/i'm a mac adverts....
Hope you enjoy your fruity toys anyway, I'm off down the pub.
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dave_g
from United Kingdom on 2008-10-09 13:21 [#02243912]
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I meant to say on my gnome desktop it works automagically. anyhow beer o clock. bye!
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-09 13:23 [#02243916]
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i don't really care about mac vs pc n stuff i just happen to use mac since forever.. have a nice time
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Zephyr Twin
from ΔΔΔ on 2008-10-09 13:28 [#02243920]
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yeah, those adverts are terrible, and, for the record, only served to turn me off to macs for a long time... until I couldn't avoid purchasing one for the reason I mentioned.
also.. it's not the hardware that's smug, it's the people marketing it.
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bit bare
from Chilean Vulture Rising on 2008-10-09 13:29 [#02243921]
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simple debate. apple users have money and pc users don't
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mohamed
from the turtle business on 2008-10-09 13:31 [#02243924]
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that semplicistic, not simple
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bit bare
from Chilean Vulture Rising on 2008-10-09 13:39 [#02243930]
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i just took seven years off your life fucker
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