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I been thinking about ways to categorize music, and in doing so finding out what makes tracks unique.. So far I got 1. Melody 2. Rhythm 3. Sound design and general production values 4. Atmosphere, style and impression I think all music has these basic properties, and if you keep those in mind you can think about which tracks have new and original twists on each 4.. I like the system anyway, and it added some clarity for me in regards to listening to music. wuuhuu peniissssss |
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if you construct a system, you will only ever hear the results defined by the boundaries. |
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good point, but its hard to listen to music completely 'raw', even though thats what happens most of the time, and thats what counts, i still like to construct systems to provide better music making etc |
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It's best to have a system otherwise you get too 'outside the box' which is shit. Experimenting is great n all, but selecting your boundaries and shaping your sound within them seems best to me. |
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I'm sorry but I still won't listen to your spam. And it is spam, not music. |
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love buds for you cx |
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what about image? |
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why do you say that slip? :D |
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give it a go slip |
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What if the production intermingles with the rhythm, melody and therefore the style? I still think it's best to store the ideas on the fly without having pre-defined tags other then that the track has a guitar or say a tr-808 in it (artistnames, names, etc are obvious). |
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Yeah, that's called pitch, loudness, duration and timbre. |
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haha, very true. |
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And the super special IDM property: panning. |
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1. Melody 2. Rhythm 3. Sound design and general production values 4. Atmosphere, style and impression your analysis is probably interesting and valid for you and others but i think its wrong e.g you forgot Harmony (most people find it hard because they are not harmonious in their mind body soul, who can blame them in todays world) melody and rhythm are the same thing if you think about it, even the same as sound. it all starts with the sound. if you got GREAT sounds then the tracks might even write themselves (with a bit of practice). Obviously the feelings and thoughts of the person at the controls will colour the result but beyond that don't think about it too much and you'll make better tunes, art is an expression of science; it's left brain vs right brain, balls vs heart and all that stuff n thangs n stuff Do something original that's from YOU, that will be endearing or charming or entertaining or interesting or satisfying or fun etc bla ... too much tedious music that is made with too much brain power alone or too much cash or too much wannabe failings |
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"melody and rhythm are the same thing if you think about it, even the same as sound." well that's just fucking stupid. |
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1. shut 2. up 3. terds 4. make music |
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well a melody has rhythm and a rhythm has melody maybe not in scientific semantic terms but certainly for real and if you at very fast rates, voltage values normally used to determine pitch (and melody) can be used to mould waveforms and therefore sounds so it's not fucking stupid, well no more so than any other of us monkeys are I'm getting at rhythm = sound + timing / melody = sound + timing / harmony = sounds + timings it all starts with a) sound, b) the user's science (genetics/upbringing/vision, imagination, emotiona range, wisdom etc) and how able/succinctly the user communicates their science = music, as well as the mood they're in at the time jesus, do you think i would waste time trying to prop this messageboard without trying to be constructive with my personal opinion. all you are offering me is negativity :( i already made a track this morning, EMU drumulator, Roland SH09 (bassdrum), commodore 64 and ems vcs3 + ks sequencer so kiss my balls |
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um, rhythm and melody are completely different things. rhythm is the duration of notes and the duration between these notes. melody is the pitch. you can play any melody with any rhythm you want, and vice versa. thus melody does not have a rhythm. |
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thats the properties of sound, not music.. but lols diamond.. i forgot harmony yes, i dont disagree with you, but i dont fully agree either. i also forgot percussion obviously.. but this is just a way to categorize musical pieces for me, every musical piece has more original content in either one of these, or even all, but thats very rare nowadays. HEY GUYS I DUNNO, IT WAS JUST AN IDEA. dont diss |
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panning is extremely important, doh I LOVE PANNING |
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you forgot Harmony (most people find it hard because they are not harmonious in their mind body soul, who can blame them in todays world) melody and rhythm are the same thing if you think about it, even the same as sound. it all starts with the sound. if you got GREAT sounds then the tracks might even write themselves (with a bit of practice) that's exactly the only parameter that happens to follow here |
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diamondtron is a wise man |
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this thread is stupid. |
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what about drugs ? |
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if my penis was any bigger, i would need to get a newer trolley to carry it with, as this one has little wheels that are not of the highest quality. |
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its not stupid dude, its very good i will name it ARMS atmosphere, rhythm, melody and sound drugs are pooey |
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space. |
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sp^ace |
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4 basic properties: * original ideas/inspiration * copying someone else * accidental discovery of some technique, sound, etc * feedback from audience/friends/etc alters perception and ideas ~ That's it really. Pretty much every song has all, some or none of these attributes. Melody, Rhythm, atmosphere? wtf. I couldn't define the difference between melody and rhythm. Atmosphere is surely dependant to a large extent on where it is heard and with whom at what time,etc Sound design? I'm going to get in a telephone box, Bill & Ted stlye, bring back all those old composers and ask them about sound design. I can't stand this let's analyse music thread. Why FOUR basic properties? How can you be sure there are 4? Maybe 7 because its a more mystical number. Or 5 like the pillars of islam? How about 6, cos that's half a dozen. I think my 4 properties are as irrelevant as any others you can come up with. Music has a single property and that is emotional response. Music does not really benefit us in any physical way. Animals do not use music like we do, ok birds sing to attract mates and a lot of bands have groupies, but you know what I mean. Think of something like Dark Side of the Moon. You get an emotional response from that. I like your idea of ARMS. Please use your own ARMS to smack some sense into your head. In related news I've determined the four basic properties of cars: engine wheels leather seats 50 CD multichanger in the boot. am I right or what? |
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oh for fuck's sake rhythm, melody, velocity, & timbre everything else in music is derivative of the above four. it's pretty well agreed upon. stop trying to sound smart and make some music people will listen to. i like dave's ideas as well. a different angle, but equally applicable, altho i dunno if feedback belongs in the same group as the previous three or in a category of its own because really, what is music without someone to appreciate it? stop being self indulgent and think of the audience. |
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all music has Attack Decay Sustain Release |
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music is organised sounds? organisemyphaceoffhowyalike |
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freqy of course you nailed it man I agree! |
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about the trolley I mean... |
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I’m going to talk about the difficulty in writing, specifically electronic music, which may get slightly off topic, but I’m sure you don’t mind. Attempting to understand how a great sound is achieved is a really interesting discussion, from a technical point of view, it takes allot of programming, using certain formulas and scientific yet very abstract process. The more time you put into this part of the production, the better the sound will be. People often skip this part and just get right into jamming some presets, and see what cooks up, that’s fine, but you won’t find that desired sound quality which makes your track original. Artistic merit is awarded to a small percentage of electronic musicians; this is because too many approach it without heart, they just force the music out. I admit i have done this. Especially with a lack of hardware, if you’re sitting in front of a grid pencilling in events and watching it on a timeline, you find yourself thinking too hard and it gets tough to get ideas to flow. I have a good friend who is a professional musician, she plays the cello, and while performing she has to become very connected to the piece, because there is a story behind a symphony. Almost like being inside an acting role, you can't play in an orchestra without heart, your playing will be stiff, and to a trained ear, this would not be acceptable. I'm not saying it's impossible to play with heart when programming your music, because you can spend hours working on a synth module, then once you have the sound jam with it. My point is that there is a longer process to writing music with technology, and in that process it’s hard to maintain your creative flow and emotion. (I’m being a bit serious today) Regards, Larn |
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in alphabetic order: 1. 101 2. 303 3. 606 4. 808 |
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cx, i just gave your track "balloon funk" a listen. nice one. |
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Now listen to the other half billion. |
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Your approach is commendable but the categories you use are subjective and meaningless, and are only valid for music with mad beats and lush pads. What is melody? Is it the lead, the chord progression? What about atonal music, microtonal music, sheer fucking noise? What is rhythm? What is the rhythm of a drone, of a musique concrète piece? Besides, melody and rhythm are not separate components. A melody has rhythm, a rhythm has pitch. Sound design, general production values, PANNING, this is all about the management of loudness and timbre. And atmosphere, style and impression, that's just bullshit. However you could add something about the context of a piece, its historical and sociological aspects etc. |
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4 = 1+2+3 |
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yes but -1 is an impossibility, try differentiation/integration of... |
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Like dariusgriffin said, I don't think all those categories really work at all for lots of types of music, and the first two are merged anyway, and the last in particular, like anything to do with talking about what art is or isn't, is not some celestial absolute hanging in the Heavens, but is always subject to and decided by a surrounding culture and listener/listeners. There is nothing intrinsic to any of this, at all. That doesn't make it any less magical to experience and create, of course, and beyond studying the components of past genres for specific purposes (university studies, a pitch for a film score, a dreadful pastiche, maybe) I see no advantage in reducing "music" to any core values. |
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black bile, yellow bile, phlegm, and blood |
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I been is nothing intrinsic and blood even the same as sound. I see this thread PANNING if you construct a system organised sounds thats the properties of connected to the piece of past genres. I’m going to talk about yellow bile and create, of course, its historical and sociological aspects, defined by the boundaries. 1. 4 = 1+2+3 2. melody and rhythm are the same thing 3. core values 4. give it a go slip I see no advantage to the other half billion. nice one. And the super special IDM property, a surrounding culture of university studies and blood in reducing "music" for a film score, store the ideas to a large extent, so kiss my microtonal balls. That doesn't make it any less magical to have a good friend, but lols, if my penis was any bigger i will name it ARMS. mangled |
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Seriously though, for me it's all about Charlie Kaufman & Bruce Lee. The line in Adaptation which says, there are no rules, only principals. This works, this doesn't. That line really stuck with me. Also, Bruce Lee. He comes up on a martial arts group training and this guy says I have developed a stance where no man can push me. So he gets Bruce Lee to try and push him, and Bruce Lee walks up and clocks the guy. When they are like what was that about, he says I don't push. It's good to learn the rules, the theory, the form, and to have discipline. But then once you learn all that you have to learn how to forget it, or at lest bend it, step outside it, etc. |
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Sorry, it was drunken nonsense. And Bruce Lee is great, he's got really nice thighs. |
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thanks diamondtron , yes i may need to update my trolley. :P |
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I'm just having a temper tantrum because I'm frustrated with my own music. I have no idea what music is about :P |
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But this isn't about rules :( |
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there is only one basic property of music and its "sound". a/c units make really good music notes when they turn on sometimes especially if its one of them hotel ones |
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