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now u dont have to pay hundreds for one of those faderfox controllers |
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nifty as hell |
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They're coming out pretty cheap too. Digital Village website has GBP prices. |
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i'm very excited about the pads - if they are the same quality as the padkontrols then this thing is in my wish list. also great that instead of making 16 pads they added the flam/roll touchpad. interesting that the industry reacted so slow to the miniaturisation of stuff for laptop artists. this year is like really groundbreaking. we have like already the waldorf blofeld, access snow, novation nocturn and now those korgs. |
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i just realized they USB only :( |
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that was one of the worst korg presenters ever. if the the sonicstate guy would just stand still and don't say anything they wouldn't probably talk at all. i have to admit that i would really desire to have all of them. it would be cool of the would release something like a plastic holder for two or three of the devices so they are bond together. |
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i just want that one w/ the faders..... in black! :) |
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Yeah, I'll be getting the fader/encoder one. |
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yeah i thought at the beginning that those are pots but encoders are something totally different. although i would hope that it would have something like the novation nocturn has - that popup guy. i mean otherwise you are like completely blind. |
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dunno if they are encoders, probably are pots to be honest. |
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i think they are encoders, but lets hope they're better than the ones they used in the microkontrol. they started fucking up one after one after about 6 months of normal use. boo |
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said encoders in the vid. but that would be REALLY weird without a lcd then |
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just ordered the nanoPAD and nanoKONTROL. anyone here have 'em? |
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um. If its a cheap digital unit its most likely an encoder, not a pot. |
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these are well-priced. looking for a cheap midi controller is ridiculous. you'd be as well to by cheap synth. |
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aren't encoders more expensive ? at least when making my own midiboxes i have to pay at least 3 times the amount to have encoders instead of pots. |
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all reviews since they been release say theyre cheap feeling :/ |
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well, they're not that expensive you know |
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you are correct |
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Maybe for DIY stuff, yes, but for mass manufactured things, I think encoders are a lot cheaper to use. |
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It's time to put midi to bed without supper. 7 bit nobs are a joke. |
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I AINT I SAID I AINT EVEN CAPITALIZE MIDI NO MORE, BOY? YOU HEAR ME BOY? |
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spot the irony |
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Midi is the best thing that's out there. What you are saying is like saying English should be put to bed because its limited. Sure its limited, but its practically everywhere, and its useful. Unless you think its better to go back to when every single company had their own proprietary system for devices to communicate and no two separate companies had devices that were compatible. |
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Haha, what? English is limited? You illiterate monkey. |
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Its a metaphor twit. I have some friends that don't like English because it doesn't express emotion very well. I kind of take their opinions with the same salt as I do people who say midi is too limited. |
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hi, I did a search for "better than midi" and "midi replacement" and couldn't seem to find anything that would indicate that there's a new, better system. Just wanted to ask what you meant by that, and could you point me to a link which has some pertinent info? Thanks. |
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It's not a metaphor. It's not even a simile. It's an analogy. You really are illiterate. No wonder your friends think English isn't expressive. |
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after my microkontrol i certainly wouldn't buy korg again. |
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oh and for the record, trendy pseudo cool dickheads will be using these in hip loungebars with their laptops very soon. they will use them to showcase their jazztronica. superhans. |
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ought to be standard everywhere. |
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I wonder why I wasn't able to find that wiki with my googling? (probably poor eyesight!) This is very interesting, and I can clearly see the boon of using it over MIDI. Since it's obviously superior, what is it that is holding the technology back? Did it talk a long time for people to let go of CV/Gate when MIDI first came around? |
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talk = take me = blind and stupid |
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Those look very cool (and CUTE! uhhh *aherm*). I'm kind of cautious with korg, My Poly six and friends MS20 were pretty sturdy, but the newer stuff seems really breakable. My doorknob friend got stoned once and snapped the effects switch on my electribe. Also the power supply on them goes pretty fast, mine and my friends both screwed up. Korg designs great products, and they have the right intuitive with the bedroom producer budget products. I'd like to see them go back to to the drawing board and find some keep metal or something that would work better then the stuff they use for their controls now. Still way more reliable then m-audio's low end market. It's funny I bitch about it, but if I saved up 200$ more, and bought the NOT CHEAP equipment I most likely wouldn't have these problems. |
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Your suggesting that they overlook compatibility with over 20 years worth of equipment for slightly better parameter resolution? |
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A critical mass of manufacturers got involved in designing and promoting the midi spec so it was a huge change in a span of a couple of years. CV / gate hardware is still around. All those modular things use control voltages. It will be around even when midi and OSC are dead. |
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It will be amusing on O day when the master transmitter sends its pulse and all midi hardware stops functioning forever. |
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I think you are over complicating things. Midi isn't sophisticated enough to give the master transmitter an angle. OSC on the other hand... |
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I agree with you that some more functionality would be nice, especially for the people who would be likely to take advantage of everything that these technologies would have to offer. I just don't think that its feasible. Midi managed to come into prominence because it was a solution to a problem that many musicians producers and engineers had; Technology was becoming more advanced and there was no middle ground for the devices devices. You could trigger a sequence, but getting it to trigger in line with a sequence on a drum machine, a moving picture and another studio musician, and make it so it worked on the second and third take... it was all practically impossible. So when a universal system came out it was embraced and everyone kind of threw in their part to make the technology work. Now, OSC or any of these other technologies aren't a solution to a problem so much as they are an upgrade. Nobody is going to be comfortable upgrading if they feel that its going to render their 3k/30k/300k dollar studio obsolete. Not to mention the fact that its still hard enough for even some of the largest companies to get basic midi to work properly. |
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I don't care if you can't put your VHS tapes in the laptop, grandpa. Go watch Matlock somewhere else. Not to mention the fact that its still hard enough for even some of the largest companies to get basic midi to work properly. Right, well naturally, technology ought to be limited to what the least competent engineers can accomplish. It's only fair, eh, comrade? |
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MIDI will not die. There are so many devices which talk midi, it would be too much to consider buying OSC to midi converters. Imagine all the analogue synth owners...Now they need to get a retrofit to retrofit the midi retrofit with an osc retrofit! I don't think there are any show stopping problems with midi. If you use it for what it was intended it is great. If you try and pipe large gobs of data down it you will come unstuck, but it was never designed for this. 7bit knobs aren't a problem. You can do 2x7 bit = 14 bit and suddenly you go from 128 levels of quantisation to 16387 levels of fine atomic control. This is using NRPN, which is nothing new. There's also sysex which lets you do all sorts of groovy things like dump all your patches and stuff like that. You could use sysex to have some mad controller resolution like 128bit if you really wanted. So you see, MIDI can do it. I think the only problem people will have is with sending masses of control data, NRPNs, sysex, etc as the bandwidth will max out. I would say this is a problem with the user rather than midi. If someone is really sending so many messages over midi that everything gets backed up to next Thursday there is a problem with how they are doing things. i.e. probably using one cable and midi thrus. There's a reason pro stuff has multiple midi ins/outs. MIDI is cheap to implement and I can't see it being replaced. Things like ethernet are much more complicated because you need a whole TCP/IP stack, so for computers that's fine, but <£100 fx boxes this will not happen. MIDI is hear to stay. |
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WHY CLUBS GOOD by Thag Me like clubs. Clubs good hit things. Why stupid homo sapiens sapiens want spear or knife? Me club you for want stupid spear. Thag grandfather make good club, pass down to [etc.] |
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To use your analogy, I want to kill someone so I leave my trusty club at home and take a gun. Trouble is the gun jams or I forgot the ammo or bullet misses target, etc. With club, you whack the person to the ground then smash their skull in. Job done. You need to read the Unix philosophy, which basically dictates that "worse is better". It's better to get stuff done with something worse than wait around for something perfect to maybe turn up. What specific problem does MIDI have that OSC will fix? As I showed earlier, control is not limited to 7 bit in MIDI, so what exactly is your problem? |
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Don't bring a club to a gun fight, Dave. midi = DOS, OSC = OSX... about the right time frame, too. |
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No one will ever need more than 640k of ram. |
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Look, do you have a specific problem with MIDI or not? |
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fleetmouse is currently playing mega drive battletoads and laughing like idi amin with 60 wives on his d, may i take a message |
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Fleetmouse seems to be of the school that thinks that progress for the sake of progress makes things better. |
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