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I want to tell you all something that means a lot to me, because I feel it's so close to everything that is happening. I have the feeling something isn't right about reality, and my existence. I can't quite place it though. It's just the more I think about it, the more it doesn't make sense that I'm here, and that the world is like this. I think in some ways, everything is some sort of lie. Maybe by everyone else, but maybe not, maybe they are in this too. What I do know is everything they teach us in science class, and I've read by myself. Big Bang, evolution of species, evolution of the planets, fucking quantum particles and atoms, molecules, in a way it all makes sense right? Yet at night, I always dream of other people turning into a big monster, a big monster that looks like some kind of wolf, and that he's following me. I also dream that this wolf is the key to everything, or at the very least a portal, to this world that I do not know exists. A world maybe I was a part of before, but no longer am. Maybe I even agreed to enter earth, but won't remember until after I'm dead and go back to the earlier world, where everything will make sense again. But at the same time it's scary because maybe he can pull me down into a dimension only he knows about, and then the gods can't save me even. I think all this is in many ways a side effect of my entire history here, and the way my brain has processed information since I was little, but in some ways I still feel there are mysteries that do not make any sense, even without an answer. My life is actually pretty good, yet I feel like this, and I feel it is more fundamental than alienation, anxiety, paranoia or any other human emotion. Yes indeed, it is very confusing, |
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here, have a matterbox [__] |
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HAHA |
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lol, aye, i wish :P |
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the truth is we're a fucked up species and the individual has to live with it, either accepting that everythings gone shit or denying it with introverted mystisicm. |
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this is all an unfortunate side-effect of civilization |
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there i was thinking i was the confused one... |
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it sounds like you need to talk about death a bit, cx you will enter the core of your being following what you call "death" in order to re-establish your identity. you will move through the spiritual realm and through that process come to know again who and what you are. you will return to the core of your being prior to what you call "birth" to recreate your identity anew, in the next grandest version of the greatest vision you've ever held about who you are. that is, you elevate your experience and expression of self, moving it to the next level. this is what you call evolution. you live your life in the physical world, that you will know your self in your own experience. reentry into physical life - and extremely "dense', heavy existence compared to what you had just embraced will produce a loss of the full identity you had established. this is by design. were you to know the fullness of it you could not experience it in any of its parts - and that is precisely what you have come to the physical world to do. |
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I want to clarify something though. I don't actually literally mean down into another dimension, that was my attempt at creating an analogy. My anxiety, my paranoia, my insecurity, my wariness, those are all the wolf. And I feel if I follow it I will go into a hole of isolation and general bad stuff. But it also has the power to take me forcefully, many times. I do feel I'm better off living a bit simpler, a bit more basic maybe. Either way, this thread was the cause of a dream I had, which knocked me a bit over since it was so vivid. I woke up now and back to normal :P |
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whatever you do, don't smoke crack. but i know what you mean, it's all internalized though, like inside YOUR head because it's what YOU are feeling, just like everyone else, when someone's always happy/calm or not mentally unstable, they CHOOSE to see the world as a happy/calm/fine place, with mostly happy people, and if someone they come across isn't like that, well it's really just their problem. i don't rely on a scale to see where people fit in, like they're happy or sad or confused or paranoid or whatever, i look to se if they are being truthful or dishonest about themselves, and i do this most about myself as well, constanlty trying to be a better person. what it really comes down to is, i bet, you're just changing and your "reality" is going to change naturally, and you will just be different, but you'll always still be the crazy wierd normal animal human being that you are anyway, just look for the big picture in things |
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goddamn that is a bit confusing. but interesting. i still feel its not fully satisfactory tho |
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yeah it's like taking drugs but on a much more controlled, inovluntary grand-scheme level. i really love talking about this |
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thank you dude. it's becoming apparent to me my brain is doing a lot of stuff I have no control over, and that this saturates everything around me in many ways. the odd thing is the mind doesn't know it many times, thus you believe it. |
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when this "work" is done (it is intended to be a totally joyful experience, as is your experience in the afterlife), you "die again", once more entering the core of your being in order to reestablish the fullness of your identity. you reemerge and move through the spiritual realm to express who and what you are in fullness through knowing. you return to the core of your being prior to what you called "birth" to recreate your identity anew, in the next grandest version of it. you give your self birth and live your life in the physical world AGAIN, that you might know yourself in your own experience. when this "work" is done, you "die again", once more entering the core of your being in order to reestablish the fullness of your identity. and then guess what? youll then move through the spiritual realm and through that process come to know again in fullness who and what you are. you return to the core of your being prior to what you called "birth" to recreate your identity anew, in its next grandest version. you give your self birth and live your life in the physical world, that you might know yourself. birth and death is just attenuation man, if you are afraid to live and afraid to die you are not seeing things for how they really are. and the truth is, in MY opinion, youve put everything there. its all creations of your own |
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hmm, i dont know if im afraid of those things anymore. even though it may sound like that im gaining increased control in many situations. i still get knocked out of balance every now and then though |
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is realistic to invision the creative force behind all of this as a single thing? like a God or a person, creature? and do you think we reemerge with same parents and families? |
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yes you need to start accepting things in reality, as cheesy as it sounds, we are all on a private journey of self discovery, we use language to try to communicate in many ways, but there are things we can't communicate, that's normaly why we sometimes feel isolated and confused. as i got older i started realising that you cant push things too far in your mind, you'l end up tilting out and getting more down. try to free your mind a little and appreciate the simple things in life and be grateful that you were chosen to exist out of the billions of other ghosts that didn't make it here. |
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*singing* love is all you need! |
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and food and water! |
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all you need is love* |
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and drugs! |
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as long as a guy called barry doesn't rip you off with some ephredrine |
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and weaker people to be around you so you can show how much better than them you are! |
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do you feel a sense that the wolf is evil, in your dreams? |
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wha |
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or that it means you harm |
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Unfortunately, there's no way of knowing you even exist. Everything you know is second hand information, every scrap of knowledge you reference was put there. How do you know the sky is blue and the grass is green? You don't. Words are symbols. You have invested everything in symbols, yet the word is not the thing. It doesn't matter if you think about this for one minute or every minute of every day, you are no nearer knowing how much of this is real. Thought has destroyed you, everything about you has become twisted and falsified by your so-called culture. Perversely, that is the only think you have in common with every other human being. |
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hah yeah didn't albert einstein point out that the physical world is just illusion or perception, and nothing is really real in terms of being, here or there? but this is all why i don't think about society/sociocultural issues have any reason anymore, it's just another way to attach yourself to other "problems" that really arent there, and just a side effect of our actions and feelings toward each other i love everyone and myself |
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but i mean if you imagine we were born in a controlled environment, with no language, no clothes, just us as naked human beings, we would live as animals would, and probably alot closer to alot of "thoughts" we want to have, instead of the ones we don't want to be having. |
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my big question is why music (of any generation and genre) affects/effects us so greatly, and why we can relate to it, and understand it, but no other animals can, atleast not musical structures and compostions (i know birds bascially sing)? other animals don't even care about music it seems, or they can't identify it . so is music then bad for us in our search for evolution, as it furthers the thought processes? |
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ahh right when it was getting good i killed the thread |
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I wonder if you might find to be of some interest in that subject? |
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and its not to make light of the thread pulse thats just for you |
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thank you |
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but in the end, i'm right and wrong! |
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simply put, the physical world is concrete, while perception is plastic. objects exist without emotional attachment. emotional attachments arise in the subject; these are conditioned to a large extent by social and cultural norms. naturally, the biology of a living thing is the means for communication between object and subject, or for that matter, subject and subject. it follows that one's perception is also conditioned by physical experience. so, reality is merely the state of things being. objects exist independently of individual subjects. subjects may also exist independently of objects or other subjects; however, this does not suggest that a subject void of experience or presumption has a more accurate perception of reality. the argument is made that reality is invalidated by plastic experience. it's important to note that all of the relationships between subjects and objects are 'real': they do exist. once again, the main distinction lies between the plasticity of thought and the concrete nature of the physical world. |
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sounds right, but then there's the movement and life in all things, whether you think something, an object, is not moving, it is just because of how far physically you can percieve things, everything is moving at a molecular level, and beyond that are an infintely equal amount of possiblities involving the movement of things. so just because you think an object is "There," you are right, but to say that is an object is not a fact, right? |
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I think barcode slipped on the record player when wasn't looking and it threw him into the . |
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seriously barcode why do you make me feel like im in the matrix? |
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Music only has any meaning because it is given meaning by thought. As far as the human body is concerned, there is no musical difference between Beethoven and the grunting of a pig. In both cases, the ear is just picking up vibrations, that's all they are. It is thought that is translating that it something that you consider to be meaningful. Animals act on pure instinct, they don't have thought from which to translate sound and put it into some sort of cultural perspective. Music, as we like to call it, has it's rightful place in other animals - entirely meaningless and purposeless. You are taught to appreciate music, taught how to refine what you're listening to just as you are taught to drive a car or how to behave in social situations, or whatever - that is what gives it some form, a place in culture. That's why having an opinion on music or saying this music is better than that music is entirely redundant. How can one idea be better than another when idea are not based in any sort of concrete reality and everything you know is based on preferential symbolisation? |
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absolutely, to state that something 'is' is a function of the subject. those things exist independently of the subject, perhaps in quite a different way to how they are being perceived. |
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because his post implied that he wasn't part of this existence. that he's different, when infact he might be on his way back to this website from a different porn-site, like you glasse. |
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i just really don't think its all an illusion. i think its real, and it has real meaning. im pulling for a purpose, guys. |
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in turn, it would be incorrect to describe an individual perception as being untrue. as you suggest, one may behold 'part' of the truth. on the other hand, one's perception may be partly distorted, but nonetheless, based upon real things. |
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yeah me too, but a purpose does me no good if i don't even know anything about life, i guess. But the electricty could all of the sudden stop being routed to my house, and i would no longer be able to talk to you, so this conversation is not about purpose, everything has a purpose, but i'm here just to talk really. |
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There's so much of this (in my best ben stein voice) oh its just molecules vibrating off each other and nothing means anything we just attach meaning with our feelings that aren't real and i don't even know if i exist. Don't suck the life and spirit out of everything. I know there's plenty of shit in the world but enjoy the good you have, you don't have to feel like its just wank and killing time. |
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i wasn't saying that i don't feel anything, right now i'm feeling defensive because you're putting words in my mouth, of course i feel emotions, and can use words like Fuck off and i don't care to describe them, but there's a certain point where you can stop yourself from being agitated with all these emotions and try and just think about the way things are, that may not be what YOU want to do, so don't blame me for wanting to do what I want do. Who are you to decide what is spiritual, and how spiritual things can get? Everything that is happeneing is spiritual and for a meaning. Am I being the devil right now because i am questioning things? |
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if im getting you fired up its ok i want you to feel it |
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It seems like you've already decided you don't like this kind of discussion, and you aren't willing to get past things like what Barcode said, so just do what YOU want to do. |
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