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look at this stupid second sentence: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aphex_Twin look at the source too, it is not a source with authority i started editing the aphex twin wiki, but it is too much work anyway, and they keep putting back this sentence screw this wiki page! |
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oh dear! |
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You can't edit wikipedia. Who told you you could? |
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what sentence little hip? |
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i paid good money for it! freqy: He has been described as "the most inventive and influential figure in contemporary electronic music." i guess this should just be discussed and voted on, but i'm not going to do that |
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what's wrong with it? they're not saying he is that, just that he has been described as that, which he has, and it's sourced, i don't see the problem |
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9G1sdo8UTY |
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Well saying he has been described as such is almost the same as saying he is. You wouldn't see this statement, in any form, in a encyclopedia. In the source article this is stated just to lure people into the article, therefor it's quoted out of context. A real source would be a book on music history by someone that knows what he's talking about. (Some of these points I also made on the Talk page of the wiki article) |
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Pierre Bayle would love you |
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i thought of a sollution and now wrote on the talk page: :::::Okay I'm proposing this instead: "Many artists have said they've been influenced by the music of Aphex Twin. Many critics have applauded the innovativeness of his sound". Or something that's worded better. I propose this becauese it is more factual and therefor encyclopedic (sources with these sentences would be nice). I will change it into this in a few days if no-one responds on this Talk page. ~~~~ |
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I was just going to say that you should use the article's Talk Page but I see you've now done that :] I don't know why Drunken Mastah thinks you can't edit Wikipedia articles, unless he's just having a little joke... I edit all the time. |
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it's a joke because editing is the essense of wikipedia |
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if it said one of the most would it be better? he is one of the most, you know, you gotta give it to him he's top shelf. |
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'you know' doesn't count |
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you know: in american english means if you think about it you know its true. so, doesn't count for what? |
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i mean you don't use that on wiki that is just how i am speaking w you. |
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i mean you could just put that in with a really good source |
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a word cannot be used in its own definition. |
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well just site that the excellent electronic music board has his logo watermarked under the instant reply box. Not wendy carlos, not bob moog, not autechre, and not kraftwerk. just richard dilbertdumdiddy jimjames. so that MUST mean he is the most excellent. |
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you know: in american english means if marlowe thinks about it marlowe knows its true. that help? |
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by good source i mean an authoritive figure. how influential an artist has been can never be measured exactly anyway |
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i remember dave grohl hosting an mtv top 100 videos of all time show, and asking why the come to daddy video wasn't included in the list. people listen to dave grohl right he is kind of like an authority |
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see my post [#02205259] instead of some recognised music professor the article could reference alot of people who know the subject too: artists that have been influenced by aphex twin |
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oh please big |
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There's no need to get pissy about it, glasse, I didn't invent the rule... and you didn't even replace the word being defined. |
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how about the President of Show Business? Hrmph yes, the Richard D James influenced me when I heard the fast bits that I liked and it was all hrm contemprary and i was hrm influenced. Yes Yes I was compelled to ask at one point that he just GIVE us the snare rush, hrm not sure what the hold up was well fair enough then carry on. |
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im totally messing around, you know? |
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im not doing it for aphex twin but for wiki! |
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i'm completely with Sam on this one Big, you WOULD find such a sentence in an encyclopedia. If someone takes it to mean that he IS the most influential electronic musician around, then that's their fault and their problem. It means what it says, and it is truthful. Put it back. |
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Stop doing that and make a 010101 wiki page. |
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i haven't removed it but i will |
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you're on the edge here |
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you agree with the sentence because you agree with the meaning because you think aphex twin is the most influential i don't agree with the sentence because it's un-scientific, especially with that source (music history is a science). did you see the source? it's just a an article with all the cliches about aphex twin. the sentense literally comes from that article and therefor cannot be used anyway, maybe we can argue about this on http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Aphex_Twin |
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what do you mean, people keep putting the sentence back in without even looking at the talk-page |
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I am of the opinion that he (Richard D James, artist name Aphex Twin (among others)) is among the most inventive and influential figures in contemporary electronic music. There I said it, and what greater authority exists on these matters than I? |
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No, I agree with the sentence saying he has "been described as the most inventive and influential figure in contemporary electronic music" because IT IS TRUE He has been called that, in numerous newspaper articles and so on, and that's what we ought to be debating - whether or not he is the most inventive and influential figure in contemporary electronica is completely irrelevant in this discussion. |
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but he is both inventive and influential, what can be discussed however is whether he is the most inventive and influential contemporary electronica artist. i think he is. |
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All 3 things (whether he is inventive, whether he is influential, whether he is the most inventive and influential) can be discussed, but all 3 things are completely irrelevant in the scope of this discussion. |
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I agree. The original wiki scentence really dosn't bother me. Now lets forget all this, we have to save burma |
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"In 1993, Aphex released ... an ambient single On," Ambient... my arse. |
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What about China? Oh yeah sorry, fuck China. |
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That earthquake just saved the authorities the expense of sending round the "Death Bus" to dispatch countless adulterers, petty fraudsters and XLTronic dupes. |
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i gotta say it is a bit dodgy. when it's put in the head introduction before the index and everything it seems awfully official. i would say he's all those things in the more narrow idm genre, the braindance genre if you may, but not all of electronic, because there are so many electronic genres, before and after him, that it doesn't sound right. (even when they say contemporary) is he very influential to tim hecker? to boards of canada? to autechre? to bola? to the latest trance artist or house artist or ambient artist or psy artist? naw, he's damn good, but he doesn't deserve that sentence, not in the current format. :P |
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IT DOESN'T MATTER WHETHER HE IS OR NOT THE FACT IS HE HAS BEEN DESCRIBED AS SUCH |
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i call him that every day |
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i no, my point was when its put in front of the index in a single sentence alone, it seems very official to new listeners and readers. it's presented in a very dodgy way. |
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All before the index (It's a bloody introduction, it's JUST where things like this belong): In 2004, Rolling Stone magazine ranked The Beatles #1 on its list of 100 Greatest Artists of All Time.[5] According to that same magazine, The Beatles' innovative music and cultural impact helped define the 1960s, and their influence on pop culture is still evident today. Black Sabbath has sold more than 100 million albums worldwide,[2] and were ranked number one on MTV's Greatest Metal Bands countdown. in 2004 [The Rolling Stones] were ranked number 4 in Rolling Stone magazine's 100 Greatest Artists of All Time |
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I'm sure Richard appreciates all your efforts. Well done everyone! |
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lets just agree to disagree then. those bands are much bigger, and actually may be what they are described as. |
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you could be more specific about who he has influenced by citing interviews with musicians - ive read 2 (flying lotus and venetian snares) online recently that cite aphex as an influence |
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