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You, stay out of the shadows. |
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well, for what its worth its not easy to diss something you see people placed a lot of effor in. i can see that. but the foundation is rotten so. |
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i wish i could change my name to pulsecock, it seems right. Time is happening all of the time, if that didn't sound assinign, it's just that, people are still playing in blues bands, and getting electric guitars trying to sound like stevie ray vaughn or Hendrix, which is great, it might not be revolutionary or anything, but things move in waves. So many future children will be replicating Aphex and Ae and everything (that is if the world doesnt expire soon) and it won't matter. Me and my friend just made some tracks last night and we were having a blast when were figuring out shit that sounded like what Ae or Aphex might have done. It just makes you feel cool/good. Once you figure that stuff out, THEN you get all the room to breathe to finally do your own thing. Like Richard used fucking Roladn gear and Commercial made stuff, maybe not Popular gear, but yes, even the great Aphex Twin used other people's basic designs. The same thing in musical ideas and structure. I wonder if Future Image would redo his Release in a jazz/bigband style, would it change your mind about who he is? It would for me. Maybe Future Image's release is maybe a little premature, but atleast he took that step, I would have done it too. |
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thats just one approach thou there are many. i can only guess who he is anyway as i havent met him in real life. criticism touches work, not inner life. |
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fucking hate machine, didn't read, just reported again |
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your choice |
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reported? you say that as if someone in charge would notice or care. :p |
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K300i you snobby cunt. It's people like you that make music producing harder than it needs to be. 'I want something new, no I want it newer than that, newer. Infact you have to completely revolutionise computer music to be anything but shit'. Spoilt fucker. |
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Nice tunes. Nice production. Not my cup of tea but certainly good enough. Anyone who is actually expecting more than that in the way you are K300i is asking way too much really. What do you want him to make instead? Maybe he could fart into an amplifier and make a 180bpm beat out of it, or has this been done? |
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i really do it for attention from hot mods |
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There's the Autechre three hit PAH-PAH-PAH thing in there. ;-) Preview sounding nice.... Good luck on the release. |
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ive referenced to it too in a track, it's the track in the psychedelic thing |
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ok i feel guilty again, but im not happy with k300i's ruining of threads, for me at least |
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Haha I'd love to make a freeform jazz album, this week I've certainly been drumming in a much more freeform style. Oh and btw just another small comment for those disagreeing with this, I do make a lot of music in different styles, but personally I'd rather listen to my IDM stuff more so I guess that's why I get it finished and released. |
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i have no paypal how do i shot disc CD ? :C :C :( |
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Ah right, er what's your email? |
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Actually no that's a stupid question, just email me (link is up there^) and we'll sort something out. |
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then stop people from posting bollocks . the only person showing hate in here is you. i just expressed myself and never called anyone cunt, unlike some other here, so stop accusing me of hate. unlike you, ive had interesting discussion n music with two others, and you just reported to say you dont like me. just fuck off.same goes for AMPi or whoever you are, little monkey. |
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ok, maybe you weren't relentlessly tearing into someone like you did before your tempban, i just don't know because i didn't and won't read. i'm sorry because i was hateful there myself, but i really can't stand your behaviour. you can't accept that someone is a certain way and then you behave mean to them without any holding back and forever. instead of just ignoring the person. that is not an opinion, that's a behavioural problem i don't agree on your stance about futureimage (which i read in his other thread) anyway 1. immitation is the highest form of flattery, you can see this release of futureimage as a tribute to ae and the synths futureimage uses 2. immitation or emulation is a good way of learning. during making music, any kind of music, you develop your own style. it is not bad to take another artist's sound as a starting point etc. it's just a fun release anyway i reckon, i still have to listen because i still have to receive my copy. |
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Hmm, only the first few tracks were inspired by Ae that much, the rest is just me thinking about what I'd do. :) Hope you get your copy soon. |
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aah ok :) |
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fair enough. now we can talk. im not posting to be mean. but at the same time, i, personally, hate the fact that what people dont like, they ignore. simply, i just think that ignoring problems causes them growing expotentially up to the point in which its just too late. so, rather than walking by, i like to stand up and say something, i really think if more would do the same, it would be a better place. simple as that. now, you dont see me posting other things allright, but just because i stumbled upon last 15 thing i didnt liked, and expressed myself, doesnt mean im internet cunt, though i know many think so. still, why should that stop me from posting ? behavioural problem starts when you dont know how to express yourself, and i dont think i lack in this area. with regards to yoru opinions, and whether you like fi album or not, just because you think differently (evben on all levels) doesnt mean you have the right to accuse me, really, of anything. after all, we are all different, and because of that we're still here. its a sad thing when you have 45 people in one thread and all of them say the same. it turns into chicken farm, you know. now, if you dont like me, its your right, but please, dont stand aside whatever i dislike just because you dont agree with me. i dont make any claims because many people doesnt know who my favourite artist is. i dont make any fuss about people saying my music is shit. if you make yourself public, or your work, as in here, you should take responsibility for all that comes back to you. now, if someone cant take criticism smoothly, now THATS a behavioural problem. then they shouldnt be doing anything. and certainly, i wouldnt spend much time on anything that demands only good words. its pointless. aftrer all, if people like to hear only good things, they should be posting on friggin iloveyou.com or something. take it as my message, and look at people like AMPI. bursted into thread to call me a cunt. did you found a reason for that ? no. so, figure it out yourself now. |
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lmfao I love how my spam thread has turned into a psychological debate :) |
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you've got male mail |
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you also have male mail :) |
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Your opinion K300i was hardly without a hint of severe criticism. Lets not pretend we were all just chatting here. 'thats really sad. seriously i think its just sad. pach arcel. this is so pretentious and desperate in its trial to resemble the ae feeling that it even outscored tycho and his copy machine. music is all about being creative, wannabism is all about being like others.' notice words like 'really sad' 'desperate' 'wannabism' Unecessary, snobby, unfair. I've met too many people like you. None of you are pleasant. It takes a long time to make music, to refine a style of which you feel comfortable with. The things you make end up defining you in a way. They become very close to you. When someone tears that to shreds using terms like pretentious it will hurt. Now you didn't just say things like; 'in my opinion tha's a little pretentious' or 'it sounds a little too close to things I've heard before'. You got properly stuck into someone simply sharing his tracks. If you didn't want to be called a cunt you should have been nicer. Bottom line. |
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bottom line - you dont know me. if criticism makes me look like cunt, the no wonder britney got so much attention at all. whats worse - calling someone a failer or pretending all is good and right ? you can get more from citicising than from any compliments, but thats something that comes with, say, musical maturity. plus, i will never say " i dont like it" instead "its pretencious" when something is pretencious. you say things you make define you. i say the things you say define you even more. i think its crap and have a right, and courage to say it. you, whatever you think, will keep your social nicety even if you know soemthing sucks just for the sake of what, politicall correctness ? not making anyone feeling bad ? if people were responsible, we wouldnt have this discussion. sadly, we're living in a world when calling something pretencious in pure honesty of opinion makes you a cunt. strange times indeed. i concur i stucked upon a guy sharing his tracks. but hey, bottom line no 2 for you - if he did that he should prepare for criticism, because all i did was nothing copared to what you would get in real life after releasing CD. so please, dont patronize bedroom musicians like futureimage. and let him take responsibility for making bad choices. you will do him better this way, believe me. instead, you have chosen to spoil him. so unfair.thats the bottom line, mister. |
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Say something nice, I dare you. |
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oh cut it out you kids if people like it, they like it if they don't, they simply don't It doesn't sound like Autechre to me to be honest, maybe some small parts here and there but not like it disgusts me in a way. The big problem here is that we have these 'great big artists' around, which makes it almost impossible to make something without some random person comparing it to Aphex Twin, Autechre, Squarepusher or at least some other big artist they can think of. Like, every electronic artist around the globe gets compared to Aphex at least once in their lives, just for using some kind of synth sound or a specific beat sample or glitch or DSP effect. It's not like Aphex invented the ringmod sound or something, to name an example. It's not like Autechre invented synthesized FM kicks and snares, and that no one should ever use it. Think about Flashblub, why the hell does he get compared to Squarepusher? Because he programs fast mad beatz? Squarepusher didn't invent them, he just did it too. |
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i really like this place, been here with previous accounts, cant get enough. i dare you to believe it now. |
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and, i respect futureimage for what he did and for where hes right now with his music, although only few will believe in that as well. thats the beauty of argument. |
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That's right K300. Your a hero. A true pioneer of truth and honesty. You just got the balls to say it like it is, man. You've got guts dude. It's like the clouds have parted and I see the light and fully realise the foolishness of everything i've done in my life. Being nice to people, fuck that. That would just make me a mere shell of a man compared to the towering superiority of someone as all seeing as you. Futer image and I should really be sorry and forever in your debt. Thank you for the gift you have given us all. |
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well fi at least you are controversial that should help you sell more copies. |
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yeah flap your balls against your anus and use that as a synth |
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my problem isn't with this thread and your criticism of this album, it's with you tearing into certain people. |
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haha |
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k300i, in case you didnt notice, autechre is not the end all and be all of idm and electronic/glitch exploration. if you even listened to the album you would hear cool ideas in it, and as for the name, the title is parhelic triangle, not parchelic triangle. maybe autechre could have used the title pach arcel, but so what, have you figured out the naming scheme of autechre? maybe you didn't know but their names are mostly random idm names, and many people do this (ie funckarma) FI has worked a lot on building sounds and creating what he feels is his thing, maybe hes inspired by autechre, but so what, so are many others. you know what really counts? the way any piece of music makes you feel. yeah thats right. and really, i find this a solid piece of album, and one worth listening to, no matter the context of the album or artist. you have a right to your opinion, we all do, you even have the right to be a cunt about it, but do i agree with your way of speaking? no, because it is disrespectful and narrowminded. you didnt even bother to get into it. |
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well, still, i dont quite get that whole fuss about what i daid, honestly - guy has shown his music, i criticised it because i think its pretenscius and copy-like, and now i have to explain myself and am a cunt because of that. it seems that its enough to be here for a while, it kind of grants you the right to be ok whether you produce utetr shit or utter godness. that really doesnt matter, as long as the community sticks together, so be it, ive seen it before. i agree that fi at least got some attention, because, in my opinion, his music would not grant it anyway. now, the way music feels, of course it is right. but, at the same time, personally, ive listened to so much music, and so much different things, that alongside physical pleasure and while being (or trying to be) open minded, i startet to look for something else as well. it is not only how do you feel with music. it is also why the music was created. whats behind the scene, you know ? look at raster noton. you might say they stuff is, typical, or similar. but then, it gets on totally different level when you actually buy cd and read whats written in booklet. and that changes a lot. now, i give props to fi for he just started and merely knows what to do later on as i believe, as it is with all early starts. but me criticising his music is a different thing, and if im being a cunt for the fact that i personally think its pretentious, well beat me, i would never suspect that. now seeing clowns like AMPI, badly using sarcasm and not so well thought words to bring down whatever i say, i have even more rights now to defend my opinion. i just wonder, if ae get smacked in mixmag or elsewhere for their last album, woudl they call a journalist a cunt full of hate ? or would the use stupid sarcasm in next interview to mock up the journalist ? figure it out yourself. i said what i think, i take the responsibility for it now and accept the fact most of yous thinks im a cunt, fair enough.still, my opinion stands. end of story. i wont speak in here again. |
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"look at raster noton. you might say they stuff is, typical, or similar. but then, it gets on totally different level when you actually buy cd and read whats written in booklet. and that changes a lot. " what you read changes your perspective on music? does that mean you're being (overly) philosophical about music? seems that some (or most) people on raster noton are interested in the musical side of things, and what you get to read is sort of just them letting listener know what the starting point was or something. but i very much doubt they want listener to perceive the music any different only because of what they write in the booklet.. |
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open minded....your just so outside the box dude. The rest of us are just helplessly caged by our own social codes. we have so much to learn |
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im pretty sure fi should make a new thread and we should all agree ahead of time not to do this in that one. |
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AMPI i dont know for sure what your problem is, but i can guess you clearly have some issues. i dont care anyway, you can stop being sarcastic as its neither funny nor smart or anything, so please, get to the point or simply put - shut the fuck up.you obviously didnt understood me, i dont know if by purpose or youre plain stupid, but that doesnt matter now. so, begone. YOu have really a lot to learn. realizing that would help you fighting your inner problems, as you clearly manifest your immaturity with these stupid all-so-in-one-tone-now posts. Goran, there is a lot behind raster and if you would read nicolais books, yes he has released some, you would maybe realize that besides musical scope theres psilosophical aspect to it, clearly stated on every cd anyway. dont mind me saying that but people downloading his stuff wouldnt know that. his last xxerroxx release proves my point as its clearly targeted at social life of ordinary people, he talks about that all the time anyway. any interview will do. so no, im not being paranoidly philosophical, i just said theres more to music for me than simple beat and nice feeling of it. thus, fi's work gets into specific areas when think of it that way. nothing wrong with that, but also, theres nothing wrong with obvious statements made about ones music, what is supposed to do and why its created. thats all, and you, Goran, should know that amongst few of people in here worth attention. |
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and if that happens i wont feel so bad about this: well, still, i dont quite get that whole fuss about what i daid, honestly - guy has shown his music, i criticised it because i think its pretenscius and copy-like, and now i have to explain myself and am a cunt because of that. it seems that its enough to be here for a while, it kind of grants you the right to be ok whether you produce utetr shit or utter godness. that really doesnt matter, as long as the community sticks together, so be it, ive seen it before. i agree that fi at least got some attention, because, in my opinion, his music would not grant it anyway. Don't you get it that people have to work their way up with this shit? you dont start out sounding as unique as the people who are signed to warp records and have been doing it for years do. autechre did not sound that unique and different from other stuff like it at first, and we are talking about incunabula, not even what they were doing before that passing tapes out to friends. understand that people here havent even had their incunabula yet, so how are you going to come in and bash what they are trying to do. people will get there, they will develop. it is a skill and you have to hone it. so we are not just saying there there johnny you made something nice when we all think its shit just because its a community. i think everyone here is pretty honest with each other. but i personally want there to be a next generation of people making good music so it is helpful to encourage people so they dont get discouraged and being constructive in how you criticize so they will try to do it better if you are right and not think you are just a hater douchbag. |
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actually i was talking with carsten a bit off the record as well, and he was pretty clear about why he adds texts to his music. he addresses various issues and text is very helpful at that, but he was really clear about that only being sort of an orientation point for the listener to know where carsten came up with idea for a particular work. but he was very clear, that music should work without having to know about concept. he is into the emotional/aesthetic value of the music..and i asked specifically through the xerrox project..ofcourse it's really nice to know where the ideas came from, but it shouldn't really make a difference on how one perceives particular piece. pavlov gave pretty much the same impression. ikeda says "it's really hard for me to talk about my work since i said everything through the music already". i don't like generic stuff one bit (not saying futureimage is like that as i haven't listened to stuff he posted), but i try to find something enjoyable/relevant through music itself, not texts attached to it. though i enjoy a good concept. but still, music is where it starts and ends with me. |
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fair enough. i was not ancouraged by anyone myself as i think that you cant really hold anyones hand through whole life. still, im being considered a cunt just because i criticised fi instead of encouraging, you can summ it up like that i think. which partially proves my point, but i at least hope fi will get a bit from this discussion for himself and his future works. i said i respect him, but also criticised this particular work of his. nothing more, really. if someone overreacts because i consider this to be a copy instead of well thought , well, its not fair towards me as well, but hey i didnt encouraed him so im a cunt. fair enough. ive heard worse. now, i do think this community acts like blind organism sometimes. had examples before, but i wont point them out for someone who hasnt been here long enough, after all, its just internet messageboard, like so many others. anyway, cheers for discussion. im sure we all learned something. |
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i think different on this one Goran, i think the idea behind changes the way you react to things ok ? take reich. his albums were inspired by war, deaths, peoples behaviourism etc, and clearly it does have a huge impact on his works, if not that, different trains wouldnt sound do powerfull. then, youve got someone using simple vst to create similar effect. it sounds decent right, but it doesnt have the same touch to it, and while the tones you hear are not different from each other, you know its not the same. same goes with titles, same goes with concept art. i dont blame anyone for listening to simple stuff, or listening to music without tryin to gather up what philosophical ideas made the asrtisis do this or that. im just saying I, personally, look for that amongst all other things the most, and that obviously changes the way i think about ones music. therefore, my opinion is mine, and i shouldnt really be called a cunt just because i slacked someone for his work and my image of it being merely an attempt to copy something instead of producing somethign fresh. its just my opinion after all, and im sure fi will do his own stuf anyway. but as much as im slacked for my criticism now, as long im going to stand by my right to express myself honestly, even if one will think its not nice to say to say the thruth. bottom line - allways tell the thruth, as i said, ive seen too many things being overblown just because people political correctness to tru to lie now. but, still, its just me. no one has to agree with me after all. |
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Er... this isn't an early start... this is the third "serious" release I've put out with much more in the pipeline to come... Also realise that this album is totally live bar the editing and splicing together of tracks. It was all done in a month. |
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you can have your own opinion ofcourse. i just wanted to correct your nicolai-raster noton reference, as it is exactly what i talked to nicolai about. and funny now that you mention reich - carsten said he was blown away when he first heard an early reich piece on radio. heard it, not read about it... would you listen to a really crappy piece of music if you liked the concept behind it? and i agree with what you're saying partly..it's one of the most positive things about music - people can state their opinion through music. i too don't waste time with music that just wants to copy something that sounds nice or something that is hyped. though when it comes to dance music where the only goal is to make people dance i dont mind copying. and i don't mind you stating your opinion as long as you're not being offensive...you can say "i don't like this" but i would have a problem with "i don't like this, now fuck off". |
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now, i do think this community acts like blind organism sometimes. insert sarcy monotone response |
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future image. Are you excited about the buzz around your latest release. |
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