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Can true happiness come from lies? |
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If you don't know they're lies, probably, yes. |
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To a starving man, true happiness can come from a moldy crust of stale bread. |
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its the old question of blind faith. Is a man truly happy if he dioes and looks back on his life and thinks "Wow, that was a good marriage - i can die truly happy now" but what if in fact his wife sucked the postmans cock every thursday? Our freind IS truly happy but he´s left the one life he had with the possibility that everyone else knows hi life was decieved... I´d rather know! AN d, given the knowledge we have about human psychology, mob mentality, cultural belief sustems etc.I KNOW god does not exist but the human heart does.... its unbelievably obvious |
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if i was a starving man i'd still think moldy bread was nasty and it prolly wouldn't make me happy, but i'd eat it. |
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Most atheists belive in eveloution and science, and do not belive that we were simply "created" by some superior being, be him god or buddah or whatever. |
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Is your avatar from Nightbreed? It looks familiar. |
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It's Eddie Izzard, a British stand up comedien |
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because therre arre 80000 rreligions, each rreligion contrradicts the otherr which all contrradict themself any way. Most rreligions makes you feel guilty forr living, if therre was a god, why would he do this. |
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I believe in accidents.. . why does everything have to have a reason a ??? why cant things just happen by coincidence and nothing more.. . personally if I found out that god exists and created all this Id be disappointed, he could have done better.. . but if I found irrefutable truth that it was all and accident then Id be overwhelmed and think it miraculous. .. |
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Mummy said I was an accident =oD |
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"thats one of the things that I don't like about christianity - all the little rules." well there's only ten of them... the lawbook of holland for instance contains thousands and thousands of little rules (well i think... more than 10 anyway). "I mean, the first four commandments are all about honoring god etc. should we live by those? would the world be a better place?" Well okay... that's a fair point i guess. For the atheists those commandments don't help at all. But i still stand by my point :-p If people would follow all ten commandments, the world would be a better place. Mostly through the other 6 commandments that tell people to love each other and not steal or murder etc. But my point was more that the bible doesn't preach hate, and is essentially a good book. Those rules are more or less aimed at making the earth as pleasant a place as possible for us. (excepted the ones that say you need to praise god). "the "do not commit adultery"-one is a bit harder. I wouldn't do it and I would hate for someone else to do that to me, but that one kind of grates with human nature. maybe its not very realistic." pfff... people should just think a little less lighthearted about marriage. Lots of people just get married because their families expect it from them, or because they badly want to experience "the most beautiful day of their life" and blah blah. Marriage hardly means anything anymore these days. (as a result 2 out of 3 marriages end in divorce). If you don't feel you're capable or remaining faithfull to someone than don't get married! Only people who truly love each other and are 100% sure they need only each other and never want to be seperated again should get married imo. ""honor your neighbours goods" - you should be happy with what you have. thats a nice idea, but for most people unfeasible." Yes well... i don't think that commandment was to be taken so literally that God will personaly strike you |
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Exactly. The universe is a much more wonderful place to me if it just happened. And life is far more precious if it is all we get and not just the admission ticket to an eternal afterlife. I don't think anyone has yet answered the question "why is this all here? Where did it come from?" Maybe it'll never be answered. But God is a poor excuse for an answer. It doesn't fit the facts. It doesn't tell us anything new about reality or how we should approach it. Why can't we accept doubt and live with mystery, instead of invoking myths as mental security blankets? |
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our human brains may not be able to comrhend the truth of our origion just as a fly could not possibly comprehend the idea of , oh i dunno, that a duck has webbed feet. I´m saying that its utterly possible that our existence is the manifestation of unknown cause at thjat whether that cause exits or not may be irrlevent as the idea of "existing" itself may prove as usefull asa computer to an ant. |
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Well put. Our minds evolved with certain skills and abilities that enabled us to survive; it's perfectly possible that we do not have, and may never have, the ability to grasp certain things about the universe, as there has never been selective pressure towards this goal. Although one of the skills we have developed is the ability to comprehend and manipulate our surroundings to a far greater degree than any other animal. To say that we can never understand the origin of nature is to make certain unfounded presuppositions about our potential and about the complexity and comprehensibility of nature. I'll just wait and see. :-) |
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evolution - therre we go, fullstop |
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Awwww... I love you too funk. I am tired of seeing topics of yours where you just complain and whine like a stuck pig, but you just go on ahead and keep complaining about nonsensical things and nit picking out arguements from nothing on here, as I think its kinda funny, in a sad kinda way. Try not complaining about things for just once. And agian, this topic hasnt offended me at all, I got tired of seeing you bitch. Grow up. Please commence with the moaning and complaining funk......... Yay! WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! I wove you d00d! 8^D |
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grrrr... from now on i'm going to post only in one sentence-posts >:-( Except for this one, where i'll finnish what i wanted to say: Yes well... i don't think that commandment was to be taken so literally that God will personaly strike you down if you are ever jealous of someone. It is simply a good advice that, should you follow it, will make your life easier. Just be happy with what you have, and stop trying to want more and more and more. I really think you shouldn't see the 10 commandments as a set of strict rules... but much more as a good advice that will make our stay here on earth as pleasant as possible. (again: speaking as an atheist that is sáns the commandments about worshipping god). If you have the intention of being a good human being, you will probably just want to live by such rules anyway :-) |
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I still don't think it would make people's lives easier per se. for example: as I said before, the coveting of other peoples possessions, skills, whatever is so imbedded in human nature I think it would make a lot of people very frustrated and unhappy to try to repress those desires. |
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you say repress them, i say letting them go ;-) Which would be more frustrating? Trying to be happy with what you got, or pondering over how great it would be if you also had (...insert whatever it is you covet...). I really don't think it'll make you happy if you spend all your time thinking about the things you don't have. And sure you can still daydream and think things like: i wish i were a millionaire or whatnot. Surely the bible shouldn't be interpreted THAT litterally? That's not how i interpreted it anyway :-) Just do whatever feels best to you. But let me and the bible give you the advice that you'll be even happier if you stop trying to want everything that other people have. :-p |
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well you obviously are bothered... I don't really care what you think of me, for in my eyes, you're an ignorant hick who has no appreciation for the beliefs and values of others, and will make fun of them just because they are different from yours... real mature, why don't you start picking on black people, and people who are shorter then you... seems it's in your ball park... |
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and Mickey, I have no idea why you suddenly turned on me so to speak... I don't really see what I did, besides offend you with this topic, which I never meant to do... well, it's done... and hell, if anyone was offended, kiss my ass... go cry to your mommies!!! |
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Answering the original question: Because I apply the skeptic's rule Exceptional Claim + Zero Evidence = Benefit for Someone Also expressed as EC + ZE = BS |
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"Does God believe in atheists?" The christian God probably does or he would have not written about them in his book o_O "only the fool says in his heart there is no god" You know that quote... |
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i sometimes make offhand comments about rreligion, and no in a disrrespectful way, it just i have alot of mixed up thoughts about rreligion, Becasue i am a white - brrit, that means i am eitherr chrristian orr catholic just because that was the rreligion of earrly settlerrs. i find it harrd to be loyal to something i can't underrstand and thats the rreason i have no rreligion, i don't want to tie my self down with it so i distance myself. but i do take rreligion serriously. |
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Did you hear about the agnostic insomniac dyslexic? He stayed up all night wondering if there was such thing as dog |
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"Becasue i am a white - brrit, that means i am eitherr chrristian orr catholic just because that was the rreligion of earrly settlerrs." That is such a good point also! Like you said... because you just so happened to be born in england, you're supposed to believe in God. Would you have been born in India, you would have been supposed to believed in Buddha. Knowing this... how can you say one religion is right and the other is wrong? I already wondered about this in the time that i still believed in God... wasn't able to anwser it back then :-p |
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My whole family is catholic, but my mother never got me christened or anything cause she always believed that I should be able to choose my own paths and religions. I'd like to do the same for my own children, and I'm quite glad that there is more freedom within families etc to be able to make your own choices I was never made to go to church or anything like that, and my gran wasn't very happy with it ! But I think my mum had the right idea about the whole thing. Religion is not something that you should be forced into. If you decide to worship a/the god, then you should fell like you want to, not "have" to |
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I have nothing against anyone of any religion or any atheist... I don't know why so many people get so uptight when I posed this question... |
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neitherr do i and neitherr do i |
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That is such a healthy attitude towards it! :-) Because really... i think trying to force your children into any religion doesn't work. If you don't want to go to church, but you have to... you'll just have a horrible time. I know i did... and i know that was the original reason i stopped going. Too many bad memories. You should consider yourself lucky! |
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hahaha there you go agian funk, good stuff Most everything that I have seen from you (over the past month's), has been you bitching about some thing or another. And you even go so far as to say you dont like this message board, on several occasions, so just take your bitterness somewhere else. I make fun of jesus and god because I think its funny, so sue me if you think its offensive. Not once on here have I outright said something bad directly aimed to someone regarding their belief or religion. I respect other peoples opinions and thoughts. And I am sad to inform you, that this topic hasnt offended me one bit good buddy. I find your perspective on things really silly and this gave me a good and well needed laugh. I Thank You. Rock on 8^D |
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it's because it's a sensitive subject for many people, has been forever... people have been burned alive in the past for devulging their true beliefs, so I don't see why it's such a big suprise to you that some people are intense on the subject. You created the topic, and I don't see how some such arguments weren't forseen by you... so I guess if you cant take the heat, get yo ass out the kitchen! |
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shrug... whatever... |
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"I respect other peoples opinions and thoughts." and then... "I find your perspective on things really silly" :-p |
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my dad HAD to go to churrch, he hated it, and he rrejected it. and so i and my brrother have no rreligion. i can't say i mind like. but all he feelings towarrds churrch arre bad now, he dident find his way to rreligion. therre is no saying he would have, and churrch was what people did in them days, it was a differrent erra. he still thinks therre is something else afterr death, even if its not the chrristian view. |
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but how is poking fun of God, and Jesus respecting Christians beliefs? |
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yeah, those really are hot topics: religion and filesharing. better leave when it comes to one of these ;) *goes backwards out of the room, closing the door silently |
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Yea that was definatly hypocritical surrounded, I dont like funkmaster, thats my exception I guess, as I think wMw is a good guy along with everyone else on here right now. At least they dont nit pick and complain as much as the funkmaster does. |
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heheh, yeah, and look at me know =oD jk i prefer to remain agnostic, I think religion can become everything but what is preached if you know what I mean. |
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shrug, whatever... but you just showed your arguements are crap... "I respect other peoples beliefs, except those damn Christians!"... get a life... |
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Yes that is the new belief of the 21st century i think... people (including myself) still think there must be "something", but no-one knows what it is. Then again... we are still so young... it's like... we have a whole lifetime left ahead of us to figure out what we believe in. I've only been really thinking about this for 2 or 3 years... in another 20 years my perspective will have probably changed rather alot. |
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i remember coming into serious trouble when i was a child 'cause i learned that god could see everything i thought. it all ended into dialogs with myself, just like trading, 'i'll give you ten prayers for the poor and you gimme that hot toy car'. then again damn god could still see behind that! not a good time for a child, i was way too young. when i grew older i came to the point when i threw the whole thing away. and that felt good, i hardly ever felt so free and i still remember that moment. |
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LETS ALL SHARE OUR FOLDERS OF CHRISTIAN MUSIC!!!!1111 |
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I'm out of this... it seems some people here are too defensive about their beliefs to actually discuss this... I never meant this as confrontational or anything, I was just curious... but hell, I don't fucking care... kiss my ass!! |
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I dont believe that god exists,I dont respect god, nor should I, I have my reasons. But I dont go around disresecting people by questioning their belief's. People can believe whatever they want to believe, its their own right to do so. I dont go around saying: your a douche because you believe in god, or wow, your lame because you think there was a jesus. I dont want to explain why I dont believe in god because it would take too long, and waste to much of my time, and it shouldnt be that hard to figuere out a couple reasons why people dont believe in a god. If you took offense to me making fun of god and jesus then tough luck. People do it all the time, look at south park, look at comedians at a comedy club.... open your eyes. |
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lol! |
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My friends son decided that his name was Joseph Jesus Thomas, cause christmas day was taught to be jesus' birthday but he got all the present's, therefore he must be jesus !! he was so cute ! lol Makes sense though ! |
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funkmaster... just ignore the negative posts on this thread :-) Along with all the bullshit, there have also been some good contributions to this discussion i think. If you really want to talk about (not) believing in God, you should focus more on those. For instance what do you as a christian think when you see some of the against-arguments? |
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every time you upload a pod-track to somebody you get a point in heaven! |
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