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Equipment used for SAW II
 

offline mdv from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-19 17:02 [#01339791]
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Hi

I really love the sound of selected ambient works vol II
By far my favorite aphex twin / electronic album ever.
I am posting this thread not with the goal to create the
same music or the same sounds, but to get in the right
direction and help others find their right sound.
Equipment does matter a lot in my opinion.

Think I also know which synthesizer was mainly used for SAW
II: the Yamaha CS-80 analogue monster.
I clearly recognise its sound and playing style.
- it's very organic brassy sound, crazy ring mod, polyphonic
aftertouch, polyphonic pitch bend (in sustain 1 mode do a
long sustain and only the notes you keep pressed down will
pitch bend with the slider), etc
I never read anywhere before that the CS80 was used and I've
searched for info for years so this is probably the first
time this is written.
Hope it will help the people looking to make music in this
direction.

Anybody else have tips on which equipment was used?
Think also the korg ms-20, I love it, especially it's
external input amp and filters, think it was used as well.
Do you know which delays? Was it the tc2290?
Which reverb? Quantec? EMT 140 or 251? Also hear a spring in
there, Great British Spring Reverb?
Which compressor?
Also think it was recorded on tape.

Was thinking about keeping this kind of info to myself
(specially the cs-80) took me a long time and a lot of
analogue equipment to find the right sound.
Probably the same for other people here who have good tips,
but hey, if this helps the right people to make amazing
music you yourself will want to listen to then it's worth
while i think and outweighs the fear of people copying your
music (also think aphex twin should just publish his
equipment list and production methods, bad commercially but
good for music).



 

offline dariusgriffin from cool on 2004-09-19 17:05 [#01339794]
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Reverb.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:06 [#01339795]
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he did a lot of it using tape to tape cassette recorders and
copied most of the sounds from other records


 

offline deepspace9mm from filth on 2004-09-19 17:07 [#01339797]
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I would like to help, but i have Absolutely No Idea what
equipment Mr James uses, either past or present.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:07 [#01339798]
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SAW II was released 10 years ago.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:09 [#01339802]
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so was what is love by haddaway. that's just too much of a
co-incidence to be a co-incidence.


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:10 [#01339804]
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Richard was Haddaway(an'shite)? I had him down as KWS and
Messiah, for sure.


 

offline mdv from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-19 17:18 [#01339807]
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no waay he copied most of the sounds from other records :)
it's mostly played by hand!


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:19 [#01339809]
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if you listen to 'on' and 'what is love' they both loosely
have the same chord structure, just at different speeds


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-09-19 17:20 [#01339810]
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Yeah right, I have seen loads of hands that make electronic
sounds...the only ones I can think of at the moment are
Robocops and Johnny 5...certainly not Aphex Twin. Learn
about stuff before you type.


 

offline cie jiks mawp from motion to descend (Australia) on 2004-09-19 17:20 [#01339811]
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who wrote what is love?



 

offline yann_g from now on 2004-09-19 17:21 [#01339813]
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didn't he use a korg ms20?


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:21 [#01339814]
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You can play "on" on the black keys of a keyboard, like I
know what I am talking about, BUT IT's TRUE. I don't know
how to play "Woohohohowowowowhat is love", however, on the
black keys or not.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-09-19 17:22 [#01339815]
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aphex twins wrote it


 

offline mdv from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-19 17:22 [#01339816]
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i know my stuff
he probably didn't have midi on his cs-80
no cv and gate inputs
how else are you going to play it

now i'm talking about saw II, not "on" or any other record


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-09-19 17:23 [#01339818]
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I was going to put the 'black key' thing but I thought I
would be ostresized.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:25 [#01339820]
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youre safe as long as you don't say pentatonic, thatll make
you look like a right arse


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:25 [#01339821]
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It's ok, I'm not proud, it's the only song i can play on a
keyboard.

Didn't Dickie do all of SAW II in his sleep whilst lucid
dreaming, he wouldn't be able to tell you HIMSELF what he
used to record it.


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:25 [#01339822]
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ahhh bollocks


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:27 [#01339826]
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oh he's done it now, look.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-09-19 17:30 [#01339832]
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Analord is back to basics! No DSP, just Polygon styles!


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-19 17:31 [#01339835]
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Jivver's let it slip, HE IS THE ANALORD!!!!!!!


 

offline yann_g from now on 2004-09-19 17:32 [#01339836]
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polygon's hyptnotic.


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-09-19 17:35 [#01339839]
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I don't know shit from shit! But........... I know analord
is back to the warp oldschool. 'A step backward is a step
forward' when judged correctly


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:40 [#01339845]
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atatat danielsan, seek not to know the answers but to
understand the questions. man who faces wrong way goes
backwards when walking forwards but goes forwards when
walking backwards


 

offline JivverDicker from my house on 2004-09-19 17:48 [#01339851]
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This is too Xen for me. I'm pissed out of my brains!! have
you got 'skype' earth?


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-09-19 17:52 [#01339859]
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lovely thread


 

offline earthleakage from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-19 17:55 [#01339864]
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not anymore. i went to the doctors and he gave me some
ointment for it, cleared up really quickly.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:03 [#01339873]
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SAW III, WILL be out soon


 

offline AphexTwin11 from OOOOOO (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:07 [#01339879]
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your an electronic music master mdv.


 

offline yann_g from now on 2004-09-19 18:07 [#01339880]
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if only...


 

offline yann_g from now on 2004-09-19 18:08 [#01339882]
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that was a followup to recycle btw.


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:10 [#01339886]
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i knew that, there were rumors, only time will tell, and not
just 010101 rumors, there were some semi-important people
that thought so as well


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-09-19 18:13 [#01339889]
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This thread didn't end up nearly as useful as when it
started.


 

offline AphexTwin11 from OOOOOO (United States) on 2004-09-19 18:15 [#01339890]
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i love your avatar Rostasky


 

offline Rostasky from United States on 2004-09-19 18:18 [#01339893]
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You could have made my day a little earlier in it. You'll
only affect about two hours of my life, roughly, or until I
go to sleep.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-09-19 20:56 [#01340016]
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mdv. he owns an mks-80 jupiter. An all analogue polyphonic
rack. And so do I. I think a lot of ab2 was done with an
mks. Defintely the pads in sos' Audax Powder. Definetly the
bass in the windowlicker video, too.


 

offline mdv from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-22 18:27 [#01342814]
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HAHAHAHAHA
I'm an idiot!!
really...
but sometimes i have my moments ;)

It's not a cs-80 at all it could not be further away!
I know now 100% sure what it is.
It all makes sense now.
Nobody else will ever guess although once you know it's
obvious..



 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-22 19:30 [#01342892]
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it's a Casiotone MT-540/CT-460


 

offline thecurbcreeper from United States on 2004-09-22 19:34 [#01342897]
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check the 'new aphex release seriously' thread.

it has something about how richard was a trader at some
synth website. maybe if you found that it would list some
gear he has.


 

offline mdv from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-22 19:56 [#01342915]
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I know the analogue heaven mailing list.
and it's not on there
it's not on anywhere.
He probably also didn't use this synth for his analord
stuff, because the synth that gives saw II it's sound is
100% DIGITAL!
hahahahahahahaha
really!


 

offline dog_belch from Netherlands, The on 2004-09-22 19:58 [#01342917]
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oh my god, i can't listen to it now, NOW YOU'VE FUCKED IT
FOR ME


 

offline mdv from Zwolle (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-22 20:01 [#01342919]
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there's still lotsa analogue stuff on it as well if that
helps...


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-09-22 20:04 [#01342921]
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I bet you gargle with your own cum.


 

offline Rambling Madman from the future (United Kingdom) on 2004-09-22 20:12 [#01342931]
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man.....


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2004-09-23 00:18 [#01343003]
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How to make a bad SAW2 rip off:

Absynth.
Load up some a pad patch.
Hold down single black keys.
That's it.

:-D


 

offline Refund from Melbourne (Australia) on 2004-09-23 00:31 [#01343006]
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and what if he does?


 

offline ecnadniarb on 2004-09-23 00:52 [#01343011]
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I will have found another person exactly like you.


 

offline forkcircles from centerville (United States) on 2004-09-28 03:18 [#01346559]
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dx7 what.


 

offline bogala from NYC (United States) on 2004-09-28 03:48 [#01346567]
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Chris Sattinger interviewed him and said that the obrehiem
matrix 1000 presets were used, too. I would believe a dx7
,too.
And an akai sampler. I think he did a lot of sequencing on
an atari,too. Since there was jack shit for macs. Still is,
btw.


 


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