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I agree Autechre's rhythms are imensly clever, but has anyone noticed here that they hardly ever stray from 4/4 time, likewise most of the people we listen to? I know many of the Confield tracks are time-signature-less, but ones that do have one are all in 4/4 (yes, even Cfern, if you try to count around the beats) I also have lp5, Amber, Tri Repetae and Grantz Graph ep7, and most tracks from those albums are also in 4/4 time. I really haven't heard any electronica artists stray from this time signature (including Squarepusher and Aphex)....at first, some of the drumbeats sound as if they're in a ridiculous time sig...but if you count, you'll realise they're normally in 4/4... Can anyone tell me a track by these (or similar artists) that are DEFINATELY in a time signature other than 4/4 (or, like some of Confield's darker tracks, seemingly in none at all) ? I'm not having an anti-Autechre rant (I like 'em as much as the next guy) just making an observation I hope someone can dismiss with a track name, because I'm getting so bored of 4/4 that I've decided all my tracks from now one will be in 3/4, 5/4, 12/8 etc..:D |
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I think most of venetian snares's stuff is NOT in 4/4. |
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Cfern in 4/4, really ? I thought the only ones on Confield which were in 4/4 were Pen Expers and Eidetic Casein. |
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don't really understand... what is this about 4/4 ?? |
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umh I did a track in 3/4 Tit such though... |
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It sucks though* |
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hey i have a track in 7/16 check it out, its called lilypads a. download it at www.zebox.com/mua |
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i read 'lateralus' by tool (the track) is in 9/8/7. haven't tried to count though. |
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"Characi" off the Cichlisuite EP is 13/8, listen closely... |
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"Cfern in 4/4, really ? I thought the only ones on Confield which were in 4/4 were Pen Expers and Eidetic Casein. " Yeah...I always thought Cfern was in some special time signature...I was really dissapointed when my dad (he's very musical hehe) started counting in 4 to it hehe...It's a sort of "swinging" 4/4 rhythm. rarndaraki..I'm downloading the track. And, I know Tool's music is in odd time signatures, and I haven't listened to Venetian Snares! Are they good? |
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Cichlisuite EP..haven't got it. |
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i never really understood how to count time signatures. 4/4 is a straight dancefloor beat, right? |
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try don caballero their drummer is the best instrumental rock...... |
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(offtopic:) I have once sequenced (MIDI) the ganondorf theme from zelda 64....very complicated signatures...it has 10/8 and 13/8 alternating every single measure....fucked up it was but I am satisfied with the results (the MIDI is for the interested among you ;) ) (ontopic:) I can't come up with a non-4/4 ae track right now |
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Everything on cichlisuite but yeesland and krib are written in weird signatures I believe. Also try liccflii off of EP7 |
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I neglected my theory work when I took guitar lessons... I can only figure out if a song is in 4/4 or 3/4 time. Everything else is gibberish to me. |
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cichli is in 5/4... |
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i thought no idm was in 4/4, shows what i know. venetian snares is very good by the way. |
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the track "777" |
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try tom 7 entertainment system. he writes a lot of weird symmetry www.mp3.com/tom7 also "the merry cannibals" by mp3.com/imaginary |
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You can see cfern as 4/4 with triplets but it makes more sense to see it as 6/4. Which is to say, the phrase lengths are groups of six. Much of ae's denser work sounds polyrhythmic to me - there are multiple time signatures overlaid on each other with the phrases phase-shifting, lining up in one go-round and not on the next one. But yes, you could probably find some 4/4 in there--any constant beat can be divided into fours if you feel like it. King Crimson's album Discipline is a masterwork of polyrhythm. w00t! |
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it's sort of easier to think of cichli as 15/4, it's easier to hear the loop. but yes it is in 5/4, they are pretty much the same. 'dropp' (track 6) on ep7 is in 7/4 or in alternating 4/4 and 3/4, i think it seems more like 7/4. 'cap iv' (track 3) on gantz graf is in 3/4. i think characi is in 9/4 actually. i'm not positive about all of this but i have some knowledge about it, but i'm no expert. so, yeah. |
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Konlied MX isn't, right? |
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yes. lateralus goes crazy with time signatures |
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I thought the whole record sucked. It sounds Slipknotesque. I thought their style became much less original on that record. |
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fold 4 wrap 5? |
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spookyluke : tell me that your not talking about lateralus |
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I am. It stinks. I've listened to it exactly three times. |
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that is by far THE most original album of that ENTIRE GENRE, learn a bit of music theory, it will make you appreciate the album more |
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I know a good bit about music theory. I just don't care how complex musically something is if it doesn't sound good. And Lateralus, flatly, is not interesting. |
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The vast majority of Venetian Snares work is in 7/4. Autechre has the most bizzare time signatures ever, they are just very clever and can hide them. Aphex does a few tracks in other signatures. Bucephalus Bouncing Ball is in 5/4. I think Omjigjysdfalkdnflksbdg Switch is in something funky too. |
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any good easy tutorials to learn the gawdamn time signatures? what to count and where to tap? |
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fuck yeah, im still tryin to figure it out! info anyone? |
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fold 4 wrap 5 is in 4/4 if you follow the tempo correctly. now does anyone actually know of any of these bizzare time signatures that autechre uses or do they just say that? i know it's very possible to have complex time signatures somewhat hidden within their songs but does anyone know or can give examples? i mean, it seems like something people just say about autechre. now i'm not downing them, i love them. i think they are more than complex enough to write in 4/4 forever. but what i'm saying is i don't know if people really know what they are talking about. i read a review on confield from absorb.org and in it it says "a world governed by fractured disco and 13/7 rhythmic timings all swarming with electronic ticks." after reading this i was rather astonished about the possibility of that time signature. i figured that if it could be done that it most likely is because of their use of computers (well electronic equipment in general) i asked my music teacher about this and he didn't think it was possible. i still sort of think it's possible but i'm not too positive if autechre has done it. well, i just thought i'd speculate over the possibility of weird time signatures being something people just say when talking about autechre, not really knowing what it is they are saying. all things aside, different time signatures do keep it interesting if done well. |
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Flutter? |
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flutter is in 4/4 as well |
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OMG! aphex is in 4/4 usually too!!! and BOC! and Squarepusher! and every other artist I've heard!!!! *chucks cd collection into fire |
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I can never work out time signatures but what about goz quarter or c/pach? |
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goz quarter is in 4/4. the rhythm in c/pach seems to be in 2/4 but that isn't anything special. hmmmmm....listening to tri repetae for the first time in a while. maybe i'll give it another chance. i know there is an odd chance that many people have been to south street in philadelphia, pa. (usa) since alot of this message board is comprised of people who don't live in the us, but does anyone happen to have gone to any of the two 'rave' (sorry kids) cd stores that are right off of south street? if anyone has i was wondering if they have any autechre/boards of canada/aphex twin out of the usual stuff you can find? so i really doubt anyone has been there so i'll shut up now. |
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oh I give up then :) |
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of course. in one confield track the beat is simple like this: 0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0-0- only over time they will shift a bit closer to look more like 00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00- or something |
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What's the difference between 4/4 and 2/4 ? And I think Netlon Sentinel is in 7/4. |
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13/7 is bullshit imho.... |
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in 4/4 a bar takes 4 beats, and in 2/4 it only takes two.... |
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Yeah, I think they were just trying to be funny, or they didn't know what they were talking about. |
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i've done a couple tracks with odd time sigs... but still don't fully understand counting out sigs... been recently messing with layer 5/2 and 4/4 it works rather nicely. i think 13/7 is bullshit. the reviewer was just mking that up. |
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Am I stupid or is the difference almost unnoticeable ? |
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you can clearly hear the difference between a song whose rhythm repeats after two beats and a song in 4/4 |
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in other words: yes, you ARE stupid ;-) |
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Kill me. |
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