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offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-11-19 17:12 [#00448544]
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There's Coil fans here, I know. I can smell you.

So tell me what your favorite songs/albums are.
Horserotorvator is too damn good, I'm trying to work but
this album won't let me. Who By Fire, Blood From the Air,
Anal Staircase, Slur, Ostia... fucking love it. I don't know
why, but Coil makes me think of NIN, only 54 times better.

What's the connection between Coil and Nurse With Wound,
I've never heard anything by NWWound, and looking at
Allmusic.com just got me confused.


 

offline tolstoyed from the ocean on 2002-11-19 17:18 [#00448549]
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well, i have music to play in the dark 2-not that i listen
to it tho
never really got into it, there is too much of other better
music to listen to, but perhaps one day i'll take time to
really listen this as well hehehe


 

offline MachineofGod from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-11-19 18:24 [#00448624]
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Im not sure the relationship between them either but I know
i like both of them :) anyways Im about to win coil's album
music to play in the dark 1 on ebay. both are awesome
though, some day i will own all of their
cds....someday....when my collection is complete (never can
be complete cuz always new stuff)


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-11-19 18:35 [#00448629]
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you know about strangefortune.com, right?


 

offline Inverted Whale from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-11-19 19:45 [#00448742]
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You're embarking on a long, scary musical trip. There are
various connections between Coil, Current 93, Nurse With
Wound, Skinny Puppy, the Legendary Pink Dots, Tear Garden,
Psychic TV, Throbbing Gristle, et. al.

I can't remember most of it.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-11-19 19:48 [#00448754]
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Oh yeah, I know... I've been listening to lots of the Dots
and Ka-Spel and heard Current 93 for the first time
recently. This should be quite the Odyssey.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-19 20:51 [#00448850]
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Ophecks Ophecks Ophecks...
you talking my language here:)
If you like Horserotorvator..I would explore more of the
earlier stuff...the later stuff..is a bit too quiet and
static...for my tastes...

Scatology
Unnatural History..Parts 1,2 and 3 is what I would go
for...



 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:03 [#00448865]
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John Balance appears on a few Nurse With Wound releases,
there's your connection. Fans of Coil tend to also like
Current 93, The Legendary Pink Dots and Nurse With Wound.
Their homepages are all hosted by www.brainwashed.com also.


Steven Stapleton of NWW produced one of LPD's cds
Malachai (aka Shadow Weaver 2)

As far as Coil's best, I don't know. The easiest to swallow
would probably be Love's Secret Domain. I would recommend
that to someone as an starting point. But really, all of
their music is very interesting and worth a listen. I was
obsessed with them a while back.


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:05 [#00448870]
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I'm about to start Scatology, that's a good album to get if
you dug Horse Rotorvator.


 

offline CORTEX from Canada on 2002-11-19 21:08 [#00448872]
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54 times better than nin??? they must be gods, because nin
is too damn good!

i know nothing (or almost) about coil. tried to listen to
'love's secret domain' a while back, but it didnt do nothing
for me. dont know what else to try, they got so many
releases it's crazy.


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:12 [#00448878]
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I don't know about 54 times, but Coil is definitely a few
steps up over NIN on the musical evolutionary ladder, that's
for sure. Some of the best tracks ever to be released on NIN
cds were remixes by Coil.


 

offline CORTEX from Canada on 2002-11-19 21:13 [#00448881]
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talking about 'fixed'? if so, it's true.


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:20 [#00448887]
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Yeah, then there's the 'precursor' mix of Closer.


 

offline CORTEX from Canada on 2002-11-19 21:23 [#00448890]
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damn, it's been a while since ive listened to the closer
remixes. like 2 years or something... thanks for reminding
me, i'll give that single a listen.


 

offline Ophecks from Nova Scotia (Canada) on 2002-11-19 21:25 [#00448892]
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Actually I was into Scatology before Horserotorvator,
they're both great albums. I like the earlier Coil better,
like Flea said. A little more ''insane''...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-19 21:31 [#00448900]
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try Force the Hand Of Chance..by Psychic TV as well..it's
got Stinky Chistopherson on it as well..very good
seminal..album..hints at all the bands you mentioned...LPD,
Current 93, Coil etc...


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:35 [#00448906]
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Oh yes, isn't this rock and roll, baby. I like GPO, he
sounds like Austin Powers sometimes. Mind as well take it
all the way back to Throbbing Gristle and fuck the rest.


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:36 [#00448907]
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Btw, did you mean Sleazy or is Stinky another one of his
nicknames?


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-19 21:39 [#00448908]
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Throbbing Gristle...hmm..might scare him..off..care for some
Hamburger (Lady)??...brrr


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-19 21:40 [#00448909]
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yup Sleazy..but I read Stinky in interviews as well...


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-19 21:43 [#00448912]
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heh ..your Austin Powers..reference..hehe you bastard..I am
hearing it in there now...this stuff is supposed to be
serious...thanks for spoiling it :)


 

offline steve from chicago on 2002-11-19 21:57 [#00448921]
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Click Here

That's from the end of 'Oi You Skinhead!', he sounds exactly
like Austin Powers.


 

offline Cabbog from Chautauqua (United States) on 2002-11-19 22:23 [#00448955]
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As much as I like their earlier work I don't think it's
anywhere near as powerful as their recent output. If it's
insane your looking for, try getting 'Constant Shallowness
Leads to Evil'. The press release says it all :
"This new album by Coil deals with the threat of lavishness
and
responds with noise. It's trial by musick. This intense
density of
energetic anger explores areas that Coil have threatened to
open out into in the past, but rarely have pursued with such
hallucinatory ferocity. 6 new pieces still fresh with blood
and electronics. Points of reference? Lou Reed's Metal
Machine Music, Can, LaMonte Young, Flipper, Butthole
Surfers, Supermarket Sweep. Composed & arranged by John
Balance, Peter Christopherson & Thighpaulsandra."


 

offline titsworth from Washington, DC (United States) on 2002-11-20 01:07 [#00449024]
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nin. coil. incomparable. come on ladies.

my fave coil stuff is the 2 volumes of musick to play in the
dark plus time machines and the equinox and solstace ep's. i
think that stuff is amazing. however i like all their eras
and i agree that love's secret domain (get it? "LSD"? clever
huh.) is the best place to start.

also, yea, coil can always be counted on for great nin
remixes. they're very consistent. i can't think of many bad
nin remixes though cos trent is so selective of what he puts
out.


 

offline flea from depths of your mind (New Zealand) on 2002-11-20 02:18 [#00449121]
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+shrugs+..naw the earlier stuff..seems more real...the
later..worship the glitch kinda stuff..seems more
forced..almost a joke on the listener..Angelic Conversation
is my cut off point...


 

offline uzim on 2002-11-20 07:30 [#00449368]
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love coil!!
i wouldn't say it is 54*better than nin but i'm starting to
prefer coil to nin as well... (nin has been my favorite band
for a long time though :))

scatology and horse rotorvator are unequal (some tracks are
filler...) but great. 'the anal staircase' is a song which
remains stuck in my head for weeks, maybe months now...!
(if anyone wants to know coil and doesn't know them yet,
these may be the best albums to start with imo... maybe more
'classic' than their later stuff. or musick to play in the
dark v1.)

love's secret domain is very good too, but gives you a wrong
idea of coil if you only know this.

the musicks to play in the dark are good, but i definitely
prefer v1 to v2. v1 is all good and very good, not really
'dark' but dreamy and inventive, v2 is more minimalistic and
a little bit cheesy _ sounds a bit poor quality for half of
the album. and there is less inspiration than on v1, too _
tracks 2 and 3 of v2 sound like improved versions of tracks
2 and 3 of v1 ' _ '

moon's milk (in four phases) is probably my fav release by
them, it's the collection of the 4 solstices/equinoxes
eps... every season has its own "personality", and not the
one you could think of by the clichés... i won't describe
the feeling of every season, it'd be too hard to describe
spring and winter _ autumn contain some of the finest and
most beautiful coil songs ever ('rosa decidua' and 'amethyst
deceivers'), has which has become my fav intro ever
('regel'... which tastes a bit like 'a taste of' merzbow,
but better and easier too :))... and 'the auto-asphyxiating
heirophant' is a great track too, dark and suffocating.
some dark coil tracks may sound kitsch, but not this one. it
is suffocating.

i have 'how to destroy angels' too, which is nice, and 'the
remote viewer'.
i highly recommend 'the remote viewer'. if i had to compare
it, i'd say it's a bit like 'f#a#infinity' by godspeed you
black emperor!, but better.
you'll have to get it in mp3 though _ it was only pressed


 

offline uzim on 2002-11-20 08:28 [#00449439]
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on 500 copies and sold only during a previous european
tour...

btw _ the front cover art from moon's milk (in four phases)
is by steven stapleton of nurse with wound.
and i've read the one for love's secret domain is, too.


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-11-20 08:39 [#00449444]
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Steven Stapleton(NWW) remixed How to destroy angels 2 and
has done the cover art on love's secret domain

And John Balance(of coil) performed on the following NWW
releases:
The Sylvie and Babs Hi-Fi Companion
Live at Bar Maldoror
Thunder Perfect Mind

both have worked with Current 93 on many occasions, this
band has had a lot of members(David Tibet, Bjork(!), Nick
Cave, Boyd Rice, Douglas Pierce, Rose McDowall, Hilmar Orn
Hilmarson, Tony Wakeford, Little Annie, Lustmord, Steve
Ignorant, Steven Stapleton, Kohn Balance, etc...)


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-11-20 08:43 [#00449448]
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John Balance (typo)


 

offline uzim on 2002-11-20 08:56 [#00449452]
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talking about john balance typos - why are they writing
"Jhon Balance" instead of "John Balance" half of the time...
' _ '


 

offline uzim on 2002-11-20 08:58 [#00449453]
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and on NWW's 'soliloquy for lilith' cover, why is the
subtitle "six songs for lilitU'?

hopefully this isn't a typo, since it's written BIG... but
the u and h keys are near...
would really be ridiculous if it was


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2002-11-20 09:18 [#00449460]
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oh i am so lucky.....

the Wire magazine has got me interested in Suicide... and
Aphex Twin dj set Sonar 2001 has got me interested in
Whitehouse... which got me to get a Throbbing Gristle vinyl
which
i love (especially when played over AB3) and .....all this,
will i´m sure, lead me to Coil, Psychic TV and NWW......

it will never end. Only i will!..
Fucking class!


 

offline uzim on 2002-11-20 09:24 [#00449463]
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...never end?
until you get bored from it maybe.
or until you get deaf. :)


 

offline Laserbeak from Netherlands, The on 2002-11-20 09:49 [#00449477]
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If you like 'Horse Rotorvator' also check out 'Gold is the
Metal', that album sounds very similar.


 

offline KEYFUMBLER from DUBLIN (Ireland) on 2002-11-20 09:55 [#00449485]
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i meant that the discovery of new music will never end.....
"new" as in new to me.

If i went deaf i'd pursue the IDM equivalent of the other
senses... hell, why don't i do that now!?
Hyper-tactile art... meta-visuals.... lickable wallpaper!


 


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