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What really gives with our genre not really getting art books in our cd cases. like for instance other bands or groups get thick bookletts...radiohead has huge ones. and what comes with a cd like drukqs? one page folded in half! there's a HUGE potential for this kind of music to come with nice booklettes filled with odd stuff...but yet there isnt anything! Drukqs could have had a nice book filled with abstract piano photos or papers with music notation on them... WHY??? |
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no notation cause he cant read it! HAH sorry, couldnt resist |
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It was that damn autechre spreading the meme that minimal visual art is cool. .. actually they have awesome visual art like in tri rep |
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i thought of an idea recently, even tho it's centered around a handicap i have... ...that handicap being perusing thru magazines, disregarding most of the text and giving credit to most of the visuals therein... anyway, my idea was that there could be a type of magazine which consists of almost all visuals, and, for example, exhibits the aesthetics of the IDM concept. i guess it could be the visual parallel to an album. does this make sense...? |
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IDM artist don't want their art+music to be too referential d'oh ;) |
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yeah its a nice artstyle for sure.. uhhh.. to bad they wouldn't include MORE PAGES!!!! other than one or two...im talking like 20-30!! Stuff the front with paper man!! asdkljasdkjf!! |
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Pachi you have a thing going!! and i like it! photographers come out with photo books...i say there need to be art books..you know...thats really nice pachi :) id like to see that now... |
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Doesn't Chris Cunningham have a book coming out? Should be full of pretty visuals. |
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ya what gives? I bought go plastic and there is nothing. no artwork nothing... seems like a slap in the face to the customer.. in this day and in this age of downloading you should cool art |
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i just got the cd by set fire to flames (a godspeed you black emeper side project) it comes with 2 booklets one is 30 pages long.. comes with criptic types of paper... really adds to the mood of the cd.. makes it worth actually owning a copy of.. |
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it's because they try to teach you that it's only the music that is important |
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maximum profit = miminum paper :) |
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true, cost for printing a booklet instead of a double sided peice of paper will be high. |
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but if music is all that's important there's no reason to buy a cd only download the music...which most of us do all the time... however it's nice to have a package and actual product sometimes.ss |
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I kinda like that minimal stuff... Skampler and LP5 are lovely packaging jobs. In fact a lot of SKAM stuff has that braille thing going on on the outside of the case, which is nice. |
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with IDM, i think that the artists want you to buy the CD for the music, not because "the artwork is cool" because then you'd get all those posers seeing the covers and thinking "oh that looks alternative, i'll get that!" does anyone get what i'm saying, or am i talking total horseshit? lol |
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Yep as an abstract artform they seem to like people to find their own meaning to stuff. Still, I liked the drukqs photos, postcards & stickers... |
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Do you want to buy music to listen to and have a leaflet in the case for the track index? Or do you want a booklet to read with some background music on the CD? |
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i do not think there's any meaning to this. i think they're just too poor or too lazy to make enough artwork for booklets. schade... -_- |
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and surely they have nothing to say about their music either. ' _ ' |
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i agree with C738 what do you wanna do? listen to music or read a book? |
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oscillik, like read a Geogaddi book? |
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erm......dunno who that is but what i was on about is that C738 said: "Do you want to buy music to listen to and have a leaflet in the case for the track index? Or do you want a booklet to read with some background music on the CD? " and he's right......you're buying MUSIC....not artwork and words on paper |
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i don't know thou arrt is nice it dosen't have to be about buying arrt orr music, its just a nice little package to make the £13 expenditurre seem less painful. radiohead's CD's come with arrt and i don't like the arrt morre than the music, it just dosent happen, and if it does happen well thank god you got some arrt orr it would have been a total waste of time. |
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not time, money i meant *** |
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sometimes booklets do matter, more than just for decorative purpose. for example, on NIN's downward spiral, it could help the interpretations of the album _ look at the cd case, there is a picture of 13 teeth on a rusty metal plate with trails of salt. what's important is that there are only 13 teeth, but 14 tracks... maybe this is an indication about how to interpret the last track, 'hurt'. (maybe the missing tooth could be 'mr. self destruct' or 'a warm place', multiple interpretations are possible). i think on tool's 'lateralus', the artwork is important too _ have you noticed, on page four, there is "god" written in the brain of the person... i'm not sure but i think this has a meaning, not random anyway. there are other examples... having important artwork makes an album become a more whole piece of art, not only a music piece. |
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i agree with you there uzim downward spiral is a perfect example of what you're saying because of the artwork, and the time that the album was made, i reckon that the downward spiral could have been influenced by the film "The Crow", because of the native indian artwork apparently the legend of the crow is to do with an old native american indian legend of a crow that carries the souls of the dead |
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If the artwork and the whole "thing" is really cool, people would buy the cd more, I think. There is not so much difference in buying AB3 and DL/burn it yourself. |
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oscillik > ...and 'dead souls' is the bonus track on the japanese version of the album. between 'big man with a gun' and 'a warm place'. (i don't think a bonus track would suit a concept album though... dead souls could make sense there, but still...) |
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Yes, like the stuff (musical instructions, I've forgotten the correct name) Satie wrote on his manuscripts... |
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i've often wondered about this myself... i think it's a shame really :-/ Ofcourse music is the most important thing and the main reason you buy a CD. But some nice artwork can really add something i think! And not just litteraly (as with the NIN-album)... but just to give you some images that match well with the music... the same reason why bands make videos for some of their songs? Alot of idm-songs have really amazing videos made for them! Many people even agree that (gantz graf...) it can actually add to the music. Why not put just as much love and attention in the cd-packaging? Geogaddi is a first step in the right direction i think :-p On the other hand, when i bought my first aphex twin-albums, i kind of liked the minimal artwork... it adds to the mystery. Just imagine me, not knowing anything about electronic music yet, buying SAW85-92... Just a white card with the Aphex-logo on it... no more information. It felt really obscure, and that was cool! But now that i've got alot more idm-cd's... it becomes more and more dissapointing to find so little quantity of artwork. It's an even bigger shame because very often id do like the artwork that is on these single sheets of paper! Many beautiful covers that create a good image for the music on the cd. So beautiful, that i think the artwork deserves more pages ;-) |
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I think its just that all the graphic designers are busy drowning in emo and indierawk and have not discovered idm in droves. |
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yeah but Ricard & Tom Jenkinson often make their own artwork! They should just try a little harder :-/ Or do you suppose Warp-records can't afford it? Maybe the artists would like to have more artwork, but Warp just allows them this one single sheet of paper. Since they were obviously expecting Geogaddi to do well, that would explain the higher budget. |
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