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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:17 [#00410683]
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Im somewhere between a vegetarian and vegan. if your a meat eater would you mind explaining why you eat it? the world would be a better place if no one ate or killed animals.
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electro
from detroit on 2002-10-20 19:20 [#00410686]
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id ont eat meat but i dont think not eating meat does help the world ..unless you are one of those believers that tell you that eating meat makes you violent, cause the "fear and anger hormones" spread in the animals body before it was killed and stayed in the meat
dont wanna lecture
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:23 [#00410689]
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convenience, and it tastes good.
man, people are gonna be hating me after tonight, what with this thread and the capital punishment thread.
but,
ive eaten meat all my life. ive grown up with it, so its something im used to.
also, it would be insanely hard to be a vegitarian at my college, becuase if you live in the dorms, you have to be on the meal plan, and the meal plan doesnt offer a vegitarian menu, or at least not a healthy one.
and i cant go out and buy vegitarian food, cause i dont have that kind of money.
i tried to become vegitarian 2 years ago and it didnt work.
#1. i was living with my parents, and it makes it harder for everyone when you dont all just eat the same thing.
#2. i found meat too tempting, i just like the taste. i grew up with it.
maybe someday when i am completly on my own, and can choose what i eat, and still do so healthily, i will do it. ill need some will power though.
but yeah.
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:23 [#00410690]
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i dont mean itll help the earth but it will make everyone better people in the world if we didnt eat meat. most people dont even think about the fact that theyre killing animals and eating them, they just think of it as food and nothing was alive about it. i mean sure people know they were alive but they have never seen how horribly they are treated and the pain they experience. i could go on forever about this...
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:24 [#00410691]
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also
i generally dont like the taste of the vegitarian menu
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:29 [#00410695]
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i used to eat meat only chicken because i thought the rest was disgusting really. the more you learn about what you eat really affects it. if you learn more about the meat your eating or like animals then you stop sometime. i hope to sometime create some sort of video that will get a lot of people to stop eating meat.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:31 [#00410699]
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im completly aware of the processes of killing animals for meat
but theres nothing i can do as of now.
sure, you could say, well if you really wanted to, youd find a way
this is true
but i guess i just dont really want to. i have other priorities at the moment.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 19:31 [#00410700]
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animals including humans eat things that have been grown or are alive at some point, whether its plants or animals
i don't see anything different in eating an animal or a plant - i eat both
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:31 [#00410701]
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in adbusters it says this of meat eaters: "in relation to animals, all people are nazis; for the animals, it is an eternal treblinka". im also against all the testing on animals, that makes me sick what they do to them. pick up admusters someday my friend. you will change your tune someday (hopefully)
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LeCoeur
from the outer edge of the universe (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:33 [#00410702]
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i eat very little meat.......i grew up on a farm and being forced to see animals killed 'to numb me or get me used to it' is something i'll never forget and made me squemish about eating meat.
plain and simple.....i eat meat on occasion...as well as fish.....cos it's too hard to be a vegitarian/vegan and maintain your health. i don't like obsessing about food and i've seen vegitarian friends just worried about everything they eat.......i can't live like that.....so i compromise. =/
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Conformist
from Powell, OH (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:33 [#00410703]
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I eat people. You wouldn't believe how much this saves me on grocery spending!
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The_Funkmaster
from St. John's (Canada) on 2002-10-20 19:34 [#00410705]
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I eat meat, and I always will...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 19:34 [#00410707]
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I'm a vegetarian. I kind of stopped eating meat.
don't miss it.
I agree with that idea, earthleakage, but then we should really hunt for the meat we need, just what we need, not make it a large ass industry as it is now.
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:34 [#00410708]
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ok first of all animals eat meat on instinct, many animals eat only plants, probably the majority. the difference is we know better and have the option to not eat animals. there is no reason to eat meat at all, you can live without it.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 19:35 [#00410710]
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its not that hard to eat healhily as a vegetarian - to me that seems a bit of a myth.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 19:37 [#00410713]
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well and there is a lot to say for vegetarianism on the ecological tip. the amount of plants'n'stuff that is needed to feed animals could provide for a lot more food than the animals..
but thats not really a problem anymore, as animals mostly get grinded up leftovers from other animals to eat..
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:38 [#00410714]
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do you know how much meat is thrown away because it is diseased or old or just not bought? its a huge #. many animals are killed for absolutely no reason. this is more of the question on treatment of animals, that is the main question that branches out to eating animals.
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:40 [#00410718]
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our culture (european\american) is built around convenience. this is the main problem, we have WAY MORE food and items than we need. the avg american eats so much more food than anyone else in the world.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 19:42 [#00410721]
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that is true. and awful.
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 19:42 [#00410722]
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im a vegitarian, ofcourse.
Zeus> if the animals are no good to society then lets kill them and eat their corpses.. :)
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 19:43 [#00410724]
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wellll we're having a good night on the board here... capital punishment, vegetarianism.. lets go for religion now..
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 19:44 [#00410725]
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ow thats evil.. ha ha..
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 19:44 [#00410727]
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im up for it :)
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:46 [#00410731]
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atheist here. atheist christian to be specific. celebrate christmas but only to give\receive presents.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 19:48 [#00410733]
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you still haven't told me one good reason why i shouldn't eat meat
get real - humans and animals are worlds apart. they are there to be eaten, preferably with peas and chips and some peppercorn sauce
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 19:53 [#00410742]
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you're an athiest? so what do you care if i eat meat? you'll be dead soon, and for evermore you won't exist. so if i enjoy some dead cow surely i should make the most of it?
imo athiesm is as naiive as religion, if not the ultimate irony of being a religion itself by being a non-religion
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:55 [#00410749]
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you are an idiot if you think that "your supposed to eat them" the only reason we do is because thats the norm. humans are so ignorant, we think were so much higher\better than animals, we are f ucking animals. if were supposedly smarter and we have the option to live fully and eat healthy without killing them then why would you?
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-20 19:58 [#00410759]
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your one of those people who think that if someones an atheist than theyrenot ethical or reasonable people, you totally have the wrong perspective of things. atheism is not a religion, i am not affiliated with religion at all if you like it stated that way
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 20:02 [#00410770]
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because god told them to eat meat and kill so they do.. sad but true.
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 20:02 [#00410773]
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tell me, what do you think happens after death? do you sitt on a puffy could in the sky or are you reborn as a cow..? (that would be fair)
"imo athiesm is as naiive as religion, if not the ultimate irony of being a religion itself by being a non-religion"
this is stupid. it makes no sence. people who dont belive in religon are called atheists, that doesent make them religous.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 20:03 [#00410777]
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WOOHOO! this party is on its WAAAY!
anyway, earth, you are sounding kind of stupid at the moment.. :)
I mean, I agree it is natural for humans to eat meat, but that doesn't mean you HAVE to do it.
for me, I don't like the idea of an animal dying for my food, especially because in the end, it just isn't necessarry. I'd hate to see animals as objects.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-10-20 20:08 [#00410795]
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damn man, animals eat other animals in nature, and that's not natural? Should we stop them??
Protest mindless hunting, but eating animals for food? My hamburger isn't killed by a pack of lions who slowly suffocate it wil tearing its skin off, it dies nice and easy. The only reason there are so many cows to kill is becuase we raise so many of them......
really, protest hunting and gaming, leave us carnivores alone.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 20:08 [#00410797]
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we eat meat becasue we ARE superior to other animals
well i'm not an idiot, i make informed choices, i choose to eat meat because i like it. more like why wouldn't i?
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 20:11 [#00410804]
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i feel superior to alot of people, does that give me the right to eat them?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 20:14 [#00410807]
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"i choose to eat meat because i like it"
now, to me, that sounds like an honest reason. saying stuff like "its natural" is more bullshit, if you see what I mean. then again, just because you like something, doesn't make it good.
I don't mind anyone else eating meat, its your choice.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 20:15 [#00410808]
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so i'm an athiest because i don't beleive in religion? what the fuck?
did i say we're supposed to eat them? no, but i will if i want to. please try to read my posts more clearly in the future
just because i don't agree with you i have the wrong perspective of things? i really don't hold out much hope for your future
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 20:16 [#00410811]
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I said exactly that in an earlier message.. I do think its natural for humans to eat meat, but not in the industrialized way its done now. people see the stuff on their plate just as another thing to digest, not part of a living being.
lets go back to hunting!
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-20 20:19 [#00410814]
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hey - when I eat a lovely bacon sandwich, I take in the spirit of the former pig, and when I die, all the animal spirits and the vegetaBle spirits will ascend with me to the cosmic eye in the sky
oh yeah baby
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 20:19 [#00410815]
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my own spirituality or what i believe in is my business, and unlike you i do not preach. i except my own existence as i see it. if you can't see the major difference between humans and other animals i suggest you research the area a little more.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-10-20 20:20 [#00410816]
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athiests dont believe in god
so if you beleive in god, but not religion, you arnt athiest.
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 20:20 [#00410817]
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why dont you answer any of my questions? im really curious you know..
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 20:21 [#00410819]
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of course its natural, becasue we now have a method to mass produce a product which starts off as alive. WE did, humans did, and i don't see any cows or sheep or pigs arguing about it either.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 20:23 [#00410822]
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"i feel superior to alot of people, does that give me the right to eat them?"
if its not obvious why i'm ignoring your questions, please see a doctor.
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 20:26 [#00410824]
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why is it a stupid question? you said you had the right to eat meat since you consider yourself superior to animals. in what way is that? seriusly.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-20 20:31 [#00410828]
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ask yourself what humans can do that other animals cannot. then ask yourself why.
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Gubb
on 2002-10-20 20:42 [#00410833]
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yeah, they might not be writing books and destroying the planet but why does that give us the right to kill them? life is life and they can feel pain and fear. i dont really think its right breeding them and slaughtering them in big factorys (or small ones) just because you want a hamburger.
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Conformist
from Powell, OH (United States) on 2002-10-20 20:43 [#00410834]
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mmmm all this talk of meat is really making me hungry. I think i'll go hit the Wendy's drive through and order me a great big greasy cheeseburger.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-20 20:45 [#00410836]
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aww you guys..
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-10-20 20:45 [#00410837]
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ditto conformist, I want an In N Out double double BAD :)
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-10-20 20:45 [#00410838]
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TACK TO STARBOARD, CONFORMIST - YOUR PORT TACK HAS FINISHED
:)
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