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uh, yeah. whatever, you l337 hax0r pack3t r3t4rd. |
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"of course its natural, becasue we now have a method to mass produce a product which starts off as alive. WE did, humans did, and i don't see any cows or sheep or pigs arguing about it either." ha ha, thats really crappy reasoning.. by that standard we could start eating babies.. |
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I think that somewhere in South America, in some extremely poor country with eager to please servants, there's an exclusive club where leftist nazis go to unwind. There you'll find Noam Chomsky smoking a Cuban, drinking a snifter of brandy and ogling strippers. Look, there's David Suzuki and Jeremy Rifkin huffing glue and playing chess on a new ivory board. Then Ralph Nader comes in wearing an apron that says "Kiss the Chef" and carrying a platter of huge raw-bloody steaks, and they all drop what they're doing and converge on dinner.... they are all wearing Nikes... Vegetarians are zealots. They don't think; they mouth slogans. All their thinking is done for them and distributed in convenient pamphlet form. That is why I feel it is alright to eat them. That and because their diet makes them docile and easy to whack. |
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oh no, I spoke my own mind about not being a vegetarian! How dare I! truly that is just such a horrible thing for me to do, what was I thinking? I guess I'll just go adapt to your beliefs and follow the crowd (hey, I am a Conformist and all!) because it's just not hip to have a differing opinion these days. I eat meat, but ye, I have seen the light! Meat is murder!... and goddamn it tastes good. |
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qrtr - obviiously i was referring to cattle, sheep, pigs, and i don't think its crappy reasoning, although i notice you didn't say why, just made a joke instead |
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save your geekspeek, Conformist |
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;) I love you, marlowe. It makes me proud to know I pissed you off for simply stating something you didn't happen to agree with. If you live your life that sheltered, can't even accept the IDEA of a different opinion on subjects, then just go back to your cave and eat your twigs and leafs. |
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they can feel pain and fear? really? all other animals do, do they? you're sure of that are you? you implicitly know this? humans feel pain and fear, they also are a lot more capable of chomping on some grass and being photographed for pink floyd album covers |
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I know what you referred to and that wasn't a joke.. by that reasoning, we could eat small babies, as they can''t complain.. I just think, because we know animals can't complain or object we have even more responsibility not to abuse them.. oh well I'll just go and suck on a piece of wood.. I'm going to sleep now.. see you later aligator (unless you've eaten it ha ha).. |
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marlowe; arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics - even if you win, you're still retarded. Gotta love that quote. ;) |
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*swivels in his leather chair* |
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"they can feel pain and fear? really? all other animals do, do they? you're sure of that are you? you implicitly know this?" same goes for humans. how do you know other people feel what you feel..? can they feel pain as you know it..? yes. ladies and gentlemen, we're in philosophy world! YAY! now I'm really going to sleep. I still love you all and I won't ever eat you. |
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well.. probably.. |
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There's this great book by Nietzsche called Beyond Good and Evil. Like most Nietzsche, it starts off with a bang then runs downhill with a couple off good bits later on. Anyhoo, in the good bit at the start he questions the origin of morality and our judgement of what is true, and good, and proper, and comes to the conclusion that it is inextricably intertwined with our survival--that what we perceive as true, indeed our need to seek truth in the first place, is driven by our desire to continue living. Hence truth is rooted in the irrational, and questioning things like this is very dangerous indeed, which is pronbably why he went insane; that and syphilis. |
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"brave sir qrter ran away, bravely ran away" |
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I own a copy of that book. ;) |
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Hmmm, I had a point when I started typing, which is that since our sense of the good and the true is derived from our desire to survive, it makes sense that we should eat other animals and not our own babies. Capice? |
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How far did you get into it? |
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if only someone invented meat flavoured beer... mmmm |
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"Vegetarians are zealots. They don't think; they mouth slogans. All their thinking is done for them and distributed in convenient pamphlet form. That is why I feel it is alright to eat them. That and because their diet makes them docile and easy to whack. " because some vegetarians dont think your saying its ok to eat meat? that makes no sense. sure some vegetarians\vegans dont really have a reason for not eating meat but many of the messages are said or spread around for a reason. |
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All of it, the little quotes and such toward the middle/end-ish of the book are what I like most in it though. It's been a few years now since I read it though, I should go through it again sometime, he makes a lot of interesting points |
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what are you talking about, Conformist? Pissing me off because I disagreed with you? eh? aboot what? I think you've misunderstood something or read too much into something. hmmm, oh well. I haven't even proffered any opinions on this thread.... |
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ha ha ha ha ha ha! :) |
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I think you have me confused with someone else in here though, I never said we should "eat our own babies"... |
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haha, meat flavored beer, since im like the only vegetarian\vegan out of people i eat lunch with at school we always have a discussion about if the vegetable stuff im eating is actually real vegetables or vegetables disguised as meat. |
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Hmmm, I should try another run at it... some of what he writes makes me think he's the most insightful man who ever lived; other times I could give him such a pinch...! |
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the hippies are always gonna be moaning about something, it gives them a reason to live, so it might aswell be about something no-one bothers to listen or read about |
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he definately had some good points about humanity, i took this philosophy class last year where we watched movies and discussed different philosophies some of which by nietzsche. that was such a great class too bad its not offerred this year. |
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Conformist, that wasn't directed at you... qrter is the baby eater I had in mind. |
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I've often wondered if you could make alcohol out of the sugar-rich blood of diabetics. |
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its time for sleep, bye |
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no but you can make some nice gravy |
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That sounds like a good idea. Goodnight, devil foetus! Goodnight, donkey! Goodnight, face pressed against scanner! Goodnight, abstract grey swirl! |
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See ya, girl in grey sweater! |
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at home, vegan. at school, vegan. when out eating (rarely), vegetarian. |
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..but i really do not understand what is there to worry about a vegan diet. it just comes automatically. all my roommates are vegan and the school meat foods i see make me want to throw up. food is not the hard part for me - i make a fuss about things like wines having animal ingredients, brushes being made of animal hair etc. |
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I'd like to end this topic with a nice little quote, guess y'all know where it comes from:"Opinions are like assholes, everybody's got one" |
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You know machine, you really are a close minded idiot. You want to know why we were meant to eat meat. Okay put your goddamn fingers in your mouth and feel around for these things called 'canines,' yes that's right. You know what those were built for? Yes, that's right. And what about those 'proteins n' fibers' you miss out on. Is it an issue of convenience and I should be eating 20 servings of your faux tofu bullshit instead of a serving of meat to get the same nutrients just because some stupid cow has to die for it? Next time you see an animal killing another animal beat the shit out of it so it'll be a message to all the other animals like it that eating meat kills you. Oh and then go read a ton of books about Gandhi, shave your head, make your own fucking clothes so you make sure no animals were hurt in the process and go protest slaughtehouses, faggot. |
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hrm.. looks like im getting in a tad late on this one, but here goes: I'm vegetarian... almost. I still eat fish and eggs. The eggs come from the chickens at my mom and dads house though, so I know they are happy eggs. Which leads me to my reasoning for my diet.. I'll allow Chris Parker to explain: Beef What a relief When will this poisonous products cease? This is another public service announcement You can believe it or you can doubt it Let us begin now with the cow the way that it gets to your plate and how the cow doesn't grow fast enough for man so through his greed he makes a faster plan he has drugs to make the cow grow quicker through the stress the cow gets sicker 21 different drugs are pumped into the cow in one big lump So just before it dies, it cries in the slaughterhouse full of germs and flies of with the head, they pack it, drain it and cart it and there it is in your local supermarket red and bloody a corpse neatly packed and you wonder about heart attacks? come on now man let's be for real you are what you eat is the way I feel but the Food & Drug Administration will tell you meat is the the perfect combination see cows live under fear and stress tryin' to think what's going to happen next fear and stress can become a part of you in your cells and blood this is true so when the cow is killed believe it you preserve those cells you freeze it thaw it out with the blood and season it then you sit down and begin eatin' it **in your body its structure becomes your structure all the fear and stress of another** any drug is addictive by any name even drugs in meat, they are the same the FDA has America strung out on drugs in beef no doubt so if you think that what I say is a bunch of crock tell yourself your going to try and stop eatin' meat and you'll see you can't compete it's the number one drug on the street not crack, cause that was made for just black but brown beef for all American teeth |
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life brings life and death brings death keep on eatin' the dead and what's left? absolute disease and negative read the book How to Eat to Live by Elijah Mohammed it's a brown paperback for anybody either white or black see how many cows must be pumped up fatter how many rats gotta fall in the batter how many chickens that eat sh*t you eat how much high blood pressure you get from pig feet see you'll consume, the FDA could care less they'll sell you donkey meat and say it's fresh For 1990, you suckers ----- indeed... |
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if that is the lyric to a song please tell me what song it is. Masterful lyrics |
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meat make me have sex ideas all the time, sometimes I wanna kill people |
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I'm a vegetarian but I don't preach about it because I think people should be able to make their own decisions |
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I'm not a vegetarian. I don't eat all that much meat, though. Mainly a hamburger every now and then. I don't personally see anything wrong w/ eating meat. Humans were designed as omnivores, like someone said up above we have the teeth to prove it. The conditions in most slaughterhouses do bother me, especially after reading Fast Food Nation |
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I'm getting really sick of the "its natural for us to eat meat"-argument.. I mean, I do think its natural, nothing wrong if you want to eat meat, but don't say you do it because its natural. just because you have the equipment doesn't mean you have to use it. |
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i try to eat as little meat as possible for health and because, though i do enjoy it, it's not something i crave. that doesn't really work out though because, like zeus, i live in a dorm and am stuck with a cafeteria meal plan. if i could i'd eat much less meat and only meat that was hunted wild. the condidtions that animals are brought up in are rude and i don't like the fact that they are raised in captivity for the sole purpose of being eaten. seems a bit like raising a slave to me. |
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though i'm not a vegetarian, i agree with qrter there. it'd be like saying, "well, i have a penis. that must naturally mean i'm designed to rape anything i can fit my pecker into!" |
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okay...my 2cents was vegetarian for about 4 years reason:got into straight-edge hardcore in mid-90's. most of my friends were either veget/vegan. worked out until I moved away. choose to consume meat again because my budget would make it difficult to eat a diverse veg. diet. earthleakage-I agree that human-beings are superior to animal-beings but I'm not sure that this is the reason we eat(or should eat) meat. some might say because we are superior that we shouldn't eat it. martin heidegger-human-being existence superior to other beings existence because we ask about other's being and about our own being. others don't ask about our(human) being. sorry...just couldn't resist. had an midterm over him today. New Ethic This is the new ethic. Animals' lives are their own and must be given respect. Reject the anthropocentric falsehood that maintains the oppressive hierarchy of mankind over the animals. It's time to set them free. Their lives reduced to biomachines in the factory, farm and laboratory. Dairy, eggs and meat, fur, suede, wool, leather are the end products of torture, confinement and murder. I abjure their use out of reverence for all innocent life. Wildlifes' right to live in peace in their natural environment without this civilization's interference can no longer be denied. Must no longer be denied. To make a civilization worthy of the word civilized the cruelty must end, starting within or own lives. Reject the anthropocentric falsehood that maintains the oppressive hierarchy of mankind over the animals. It's time to set them free. Veganism is the essence of compassion and peaceful living. The animals are not ours to abuse or dominate. I abjure their use out of reverence ... I abjure their use out of reverence ... I abjure their use out of reverence for all innocent life. machine of god...a little earth crisis for you |
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i don't want to preach, but the fact is that mass-production of meat and dairy products is not natural in any way. that is my reason of being vegan in the first place. if i'd hunt down my own moose i'd probably eat it |
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Some vegetarians are really holier than thou and thats one thing I want to avoid (whoa!) also meat is tasty and apparently you can't get a decent vitamin supplement with only pills and mushrooms. ie a lot of vegetarians are not as healthy as omnivores. humans are naturally omnivores. we naturally eat both. the "i have a penis so i should be fuckign everythgin it fits into" statement is a good argument against meat eating.....I have a sort of argument against it but i'm having trouble putting it into words! sorry! Vegetarians get no my nerves a bit sometimes though, it's similar to the left wing 1st year uni movement. highschool girls get all liek "oh no youre killing a cow" etc. I'm considering being a carnovore just to irritate about 100% of the earth's population. then i'd eat it all. |
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