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Gubb
on 2002-10-22 08:56 [#00412842]
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"you can't get a decent vitamin supplement with only pills and mushrooms. ie a lot of vegetarians are not as healthy as omnivores."
thats just a myth. you can get all the vitamins and proteins etc.. its a bit of work though.
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 09:25 [#00412911]
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i'm a vegetarian since i'm very young... i don't remember exactly, i was like 6 or 7, and i had animal plushes that i found so cute i thought it horrible to eat animals, and said to my mother i wouldn't eat meat anymore...
i've passed that age, but i'm still a vegetarian. not really for the same reasons - i just find meat disgusting now. ' _ '
i'm not going to preach about how unfair it is to eat meat and things like that - animals eat meat, too! - but i think what's really unfair and horrible is the way animals are living in most breedings (how do you say that? not sure, sorry).
they have no space to live, can't wash themselves properly, live in promiscuity... (especially for hens)
i believe and hope this way of breeding animals will change in the future... the concentration camp image may be shocking, but in some cases it really looks like nothing but it.
other than that, "life feeds on life"... that's nature, and there would surely have a problem in the ecosystem if we'd all start being vegetarians!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-22 09:26 [#00412917]
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"animals eat meat, too!"
yes, but they don't have the brainpower to make a choice about that.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-22 09:27 [#00412920]
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"that's nature, and there would surely have a problem in the
ecosystem if we'd all start being vegetarians!"
I don't knooooow...
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 09:28 [#00412926]
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btw i'm quite amazed by the number of vegetarians here... it's a lot rarer where i live! (yeah, culture differences and stuff... it's even hard to find a restaurant with vegatarian meals...)
not as surprising as the number of people here who actually make electronic music though. ' _ '
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 09:35 [#00412951]
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I like eating meat and if you try to stop me you will be the next meal. When my vegetarian friend is around I'll quite happily make him vegetarian food and I'll eat the same thing as him out of courtesy so he is not sitting at a table with me ripping chunks out of meat as he eats. The way animals are treated before they are killed for food is bad but I love meat and have no desire to stop even if it's morally wrong.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-22 09:37 [#00412964]
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thats okay, ofcourse. if you like eating meat, go ahead, by all means. if I were to eat at your place, I would like to eat vegetarian food, but I would never mind you eating meat. that wouldn't bother me.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 09:41 [#00412979]
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Imagine if humans had a natural preditor like dragons or vampires.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2002-10-22 09:42 [#00412981]
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i don't think there's more vegatarians here, it's just a fact that they always have to have their say about the issue
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 09:48 [#00412996]
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It's a huge argument to take on really. I mean some vegetarians say they don't eat meat because of the way the animals are badly treat but if you ask them if the meat was prepared er.. 'naturally' if they would then eat it some say no still and others very rarely say yes. It's like you have many types of vegetarians so it's confusing.
I understand that [I will try and get this right] the amount of food the animal consumes makes it a strain on natural resources or is not efficient or something? I hear this off-hand so it would require research.
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 09:50 [#00412997]
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earthleakage > yeah, of course, but it also depends on the country you live in. traditional meals, local food... ' _ '
when i say i'm a vegetarian, some people are really surprised or amused.
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glass_eater
from a blind nerves area (Switzerland) on 2002-10-22 09:50 [#00412998]
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yeah they should just eat vegetables and shut up! ;)
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 09:52 [#00413002]
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Spikee Dragon > about different types of vegetarians...
i hate when people believe vegetarians eat fish (someone even questioned me if i was eating chicken!! -_-).
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Elastic
from Zidum (Kiribati) on 2002-10-22 09:52 [#00413003]
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You know what's funny? You never hear these animal rights people bitching about saving the ugly animals. It's always just the cute & furry ones. When was the last time you saw a protestor with a sign that read, "Save The Walrus!"?
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 10:00 [#00413017]
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Elastic > you're right, that's unfair... ' _ ' but, as one great philosopher once said, "ugly is bad and bad is wrong and wrong is sinful and sin leads to eternal damnation", so hey, that's still fair in a way. :)
more seriously - i think cuteness is nothing but an argument to convince the skeptical that saving animals is important... at least i hope so.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 10:04 [#00413020]
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Well I know some vegetarians that will eat fish and chicken. I don't class them as vegetarians tho and just keep in mind no reds if they visit. But this whole thing is really confusing.
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Laserbeak
from Netherlands, The on 2002-10-22 10:04 [#00413021]
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haha it looks like the meateaters are more hostile towards the vegetarians than the other way around...
I'm a vegetarian by the way. Why? Because all my apetite is lost when I think of the fact that I'm eating bodyparts. And secondly I don't agree on how animals are treated in the meatindustry. I'll never avoid using any animalproducts but I try to minimise it.
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 10:06 [#00413023]
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Would any of you like me to eat you?
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LuckyPsycho
from a long way from home (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 10:09 [#00413028]
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I'm an omnivore... I eat meat when I need to, and veg too! People should be allowed to eat wha they want. I belive that I should be capable of killing the animal I'm eating... if not then I shouldn't eat it.
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 10:10 [#00413031]
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Spikee Dragon > would you kill the person you eat before or eat him/her alive?
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Elastic
from Zidum (Kiribati) on 2002-10-22 10:10 [#00413033]
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how can they kill them and eat them alive?
;P
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uzim
on 2002-10-22 10:14 [#00413039]
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i said kill before or eat alive... not kill before and eat alive...
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Spikee Dragon
from Newcastle (United Kingdom) on 2002-10-22 10:15 [#00413040]
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Depends. I don't really need to eat a human so if I was i'd prolly be doing it to infict pain and fear or as part of something else. Some other dragons I know (bigger ones) would swallow humans whole and let them digest. But I was just playing anyway so I need to cut this talk before you call me crazy *swishes his tail*
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-22 10:45 [#00413074]
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oh right, so you eat cats and dogs too..?
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-22 10:46 [#00413075]
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wellll.. this is a thread about vegetarianism.. bound to be a lot of people saying they're vegetarians here..
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-10-22 11:01 [#00413082]
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I'm not a vegetarian, I really enjoy meat, especially chicken. Although a nice flame grilled steak is hard to beat!
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Neto
from Ecatepec (Mexico) on 2002-10-22 12:32 [#00413129]
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This sunday at ++FLR++ headquarters we're having grilled meat, LOTS of big and fresh juicy steaks. Everybody are invited. Please arrive at 3pm.
(bring your favorite drinks)
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Inverted Whale
from United States Minor Outlying Islands on 2002-10-22 12:55 [#00413150]
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Wow, this is some thread ... I actually read most of it because I am interested in everyone's opinions.
I became a vegetarian while at university and continued for about 5 years. In retrospect, I think I was a bit brainwashed at the time but the issues raised are still important: humane treatment of animals, environmentalism (you can feed much more people with the amount of food a cow eats than the actual cow), and health.
I stopped because after 5 years I didn't feel considerably more or less healthy. It was probably a good thing as I did a lot of traveling around the world after that and it helps to be a bit of an omnivore.
When I eat, it's a real sensory experience, and to be honest, it's quite hard for a vegetarian dish prepared by me at home to excite the senses like a meat dish. Some of the Thai and Indian vegetarian dishes that I make come pretty close though. Perhaps I'm just not a good enough cook!
Starting to ramble, better stop now ...
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2002-10-22 17:07 [#00413260]
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"..it's quite hard for a vegetarian dish prepared by me at home to excite the senses like a meat dish.."
yup, sounds like you can't cook!
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MachineofGod
from the land of halo's (United States) on 2002-10-22 19:13 [#00413332]
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im not telling anyone to not eat meat its more about the treatment of animals that get slaughtered. if they werent tourtured like they are it wouldnt be as big of a debate although i still wouldnt eat meat. whoever was just yelling at me im not even gonna give you an answer to whatever you typed because there is no reason for you to get hostile or for me to respond to a message like that.
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