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is growing among some of the strongest allies in the US led "war on terrorism"..here are two items...first is an interview with President Pervaiz Musharraf of Pakistan..the biggest supporter of "war on Al-Qaeda" ATTACK ON IRAQ: Pakistan is not "at all" interested in joining efforts to topple Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein, President Musharraf said. "I wouldn't like Pakistan to get involved at all," he said. "We have too much on our hands here internally and regionally and we wouldn't like to get involved anywhere outside." Gen Musharraf warned that a US military strike against Iraq would not only raise ire among the Muslim world, but would also upset other Western interests. "I don't think there is full support even in the European Union and in many other big powers, in Russia, China... so I think it's going to disturb, cause a lot of imbalance." He warned that too many Muslim countries were being targeted in military operationsand equated efforts to remove Saddam Hussein with yet another attack on a Muslim country. "At the moment all the political disputes, all the military action, all the casualties, the suffering, are by the Muslims around the world, because all the political disputes involve Muslims unfortunately," he said. "And more unfortunately Muslims happen to be at the receiving end every year. Therefore another ... action against a Muslim country will certainly have its impact." The army chief also said there was "no point" in Islamabad providing any kind of support to a military strike on Iraq, as it did with the US-led bombardment of Afghanistan. "We have no geographical affinity with Iraq, and therefore there's no point in our getting involved." |
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second is Russia.. Russia threatens to veto US strike on Iraq MOSCOW, Sept 2: Russian Foreign Minister Igor Ivanov on Monday raised the spectre of a Moscow veto in the UN Security Council over strikes on Iraq as he again warned Washington against launching a military assault to unseat President Saddam Hussein. Flanked by Iraqi counterpart Naji Sabri following 15-minute one-on-one talks in Moscow's foreign ministry guests' mansion, Russia's top diplomat accused Washington of harbouring political motives for ousting Saddam. He said US President George Bush's administration had provided no evidence to back up claims that Iraq was developing weapons of mass destruction. "We have underlined many times that a military solution will not only complicate the Iraqi problem but also undermine the situation in the entire Middle East," Ivanov told reporters after the meeting. Washington has suggested that it may avoid the United Nations entirely should it decide to launch attacks, arguing that its actions would be justified by Iraq's non-compliance with existing UN resolutions on weapons inspectors. But should Bush decide to appeal to the United Nations, Ivanov for the first time made clear that Russia - which is one of five permanent UN Security Council members to have veto power - would say no. "I hope that this question is not raised in the Security Council, that Russia's veto will not be necessary. We think that the Iraqi situation can only be resolved through diplomatic means," he said. In one of the harsher condemnations to have come out of Moscow in weeks, he called the US threat "political" in nature. "We are studying Washington's comments about the inevitability of a military solution to the Iraqi problem. There has not been a single well-founded argument that proves that Iraq threatens US national security. These comments are political in nature," he said. Ivanov's talks with Sabri came against the backdrop of sensitive Western press reports about Moscow dip |
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Ivanov's talks with Sabri came against the backdrop of sensitive Western press reports about Moscow diplomats' secret meetings in Washington with senior Iraqi opposition figures. The Russian foreign minister - never denying that such talks were held - played down the importance of the meetings and accused the Western press of "blowing up the story". Sabri for his part called the opposition figures "criminals who are wanted by the Iraqi authorities. "Such contacts in no way affect the depth of our relations" with Russia, Sabri said. The meeting came only hours after Ivanov was quoted as saying in a speech before Russian diplomats that Moscow supported "pre-emptive measures" against global terrorism, but only under UN approval. Those comments strongly hinted of a reluctant acceptance of US arguments to launch a military assault aimed at unseating President Saddam. The United Nations and other international institutions must "resolve existing problems - but it is even better to take pre-emptive measures". The world "has changed remarkably... and unfortunately these changes began with the tragedy in America", said Ivanov in his morning comments. Some senior Russian lawmakers close to President Vladimir Putin's administration had earlier suggested that Moscow's main interests in Iraq were commercial and that they have little interest in seeing Saddam remain in power as long as existing contracts are honoured. Washington had earlier been concerned by Iraqi claims that it had struck a new 40-billion-dollar trading agreement with Russia.-AFP |
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Flea, have you read "The New Rulers of the World" by John Pilger? If not, I suggest you seek it out. |
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hmmm, this doesn't sound like "Opposition to attacks" but rather "We don't want to join the attack" which makes no difference at all... The US army is big enough to do it alone. |
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who needs the support of any one else when you're the worlds' number one ROGUE STATE. ROGUE state rogue STATE R.o.g.u.e. one about to use weapons of mass destruction against innocent civilians .... madmen.... who slaughtered 1000's of their own indiginous people (native Americans) un-democratically elected dictatorships (17% of Americans voted for their leader... in a two horse race >> FUCK !!!!) like I said , such despotic rogue regeimes don't listen to voices of wisdom :( |
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reading it right now :) and Laserbreak Gen Musharraf warned that a US military strike against Iraq would not only raise ire among the Muslim world, but would also upset other Western interests. "I don't think there is full support even in the European Union and in many other big powers, in Russia, China... so I think it's going to disturb, cause a lot of imbalance." He warned that too many Muslim countries were being targeted in military operationsand equated efforts to remove Saddam Hussein with yet another attack on a Muslim country. "At the moment all the political disputes, all the military action, all the casualties, the suffering, are by the Muslims around the world, because all the political disputes involve Muslims unfortunately," he said. "And more unfortunately Muslims happen to be at the receiving end every year. Therefore another ... action against a Muslim country will certainly have its impact." |
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I think Mr. Musharraf just wants to avoid a civil war by calming down his people with a mild resistance speech. In practice nothing will happen because they depend on the USA(millitary airplane deals for the battle against India). |
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I agree but still well a NO is a NO is NO.. anyway there are electioos coming up in Pakistan..expect a lot of turmoil in that.., and yet another constitution rewrite..so this Iraq war is the last thing he needs... |
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count me in, yo. |
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Blair faces war warnings Tony Blair would very likely lose his job if he took the UK into war with Iraq, former Labour MP Tony Benn has warned. Mr Benn's comments are among a swathe of opposition voices over possible military action greeting the prime minister as he returns to the UK from the world summit Former Defence Minister Peter Kilfoyle said action over Iraq could spark a range of dissatisfaction with the government Fears over Iraq have been echoed by senior figures in Mr Blair's constituency Labour Party in Sedgefield. 'Inaction no option' Religious leaders too are renewing their opposition to war, with the World Council of Churches upping the moral pressure on Mr Blair and President George Bush on Tuesday. The prime minister is expected to say that ignoring the alleged threat posed by Iraqi President Saddam Hussein is not an option. But he has repeatedly stressed that no decisions have been made. Anthony Eden stepped down in the wake of Suez |
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Despite that reassurance, Tony Benn told BBC News 24 he believed Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon's forthcoming visit to Washington was aimed at planning the war. Mr Benn compared possible military action with the Suez invasion in 1956, which sounded the death-knell for Anthony Eden's premiership after America withheld its backing. He warned that Mr Blair could face similar dangers |
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Anybody hearing Blair spin bollocks in a press confrence right now? Justifying why he is supporting an attack on Iraq?..Just rhetoric..remember Sept11..America shouldnt face the terrorists alone..blah blah blah What the Fuck does Iraq have to do with 9/11? |
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"What the Fuck does Iraq have to do with 9/11?" 9/11 happened partly because of the first war against Iraq... "Remember 9/11?" Yes, and that's another reason why we shouldn't attack. "America shouldnt face the terrorists alone" yeah right, like Europe needs some attacks as well... Blair is a fool and he's putting all of us in danger :( |
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I know Laserbreak..but there is no direct connections between Iraq and Al Qaeida..if we actually are to follow and play along with the stupid charades, and hastily rewritten and over written plots they are churning out as justification for the continuing war on terrorism... |
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anything i/we can do to help the cause, flea? |
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please stop war |
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Tony Benn can pack out a 10,000 seat hall with his readings about war/class/race/imperialism. No-one would pay to hear Blair speak. That's a measure of the two men |
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Wise words from Moby...ahem http://www.nme.com/news/102881.htm |
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last night in a cool tv show on our national tv we had a poll, who is a bigger threat to a world peace? 89% voted for bush 11% voted for hussein what a cool country hehe |
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Big-up Slovenia fo sho. |
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I can't wait. I'm buying myself a big widescreen TV to see all the action. Some people might die but they aren't the same as those angels who were so savagely deprived of life in the wtc. |
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Besides, those smart bombs that the Yanks have'll hit a flea on a camel's ass. So safe, they come with the BSB kitemark. |
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What pisses me off is all the bullshit smokescreens about "weapons of mass destruction", "terrorism", blah, blah, blah. America are really scraping the barrel with real dregs of evidence because the only reason they want with Iraq is that Iraq is the second largest source of oil in the world and Hussein obstructs American access to that oil. |
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I firmly oppose myself to this attack. >:-$ |
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Yes Bill Hicks - its obviously a much greater tragedy when Americans die then when Arabs die, because I suppose Arabs are only sort of half-human aren't they(!)? :-( |
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why can't everyone just sit back and have a spliff together? fuck all this war shit. i know this is serious - but the world would be a better place if it wasn't full of pricks. |
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i was gonna drop a bomb on you, but then i got high. |
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That's a bit cynical Blue Velvet. Don't you believe Monkeyboy? |
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the americans (in my apparently twisted opinion) are paranoid, ok yeah, the attacks they suffered last year may warrant such fear - but this aint no reason to start bombing the fuck out of a nation you believe to be a 'potential' risk. like i said before - some one start handing out the spliffs. |
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Hang on. You wanna counter paranoia by handing out spliffs??? |
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oh shit! yeah, you're right. although i've never suffered from paranoia as a result of 'puff' - it would probably be best if george and saddam lay off the skunk. |
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I tell you something - if you pinko leftie commies have got something to say about the good ol' USA kicking some ARAB butt then you all should just pack up and fuck off to Russia. YEEE HAAA - we're coming for you Sadaam!!!!!! 24 hours a day technicolour widescreen action!!!!!!!!! I'm strapping myself in my seat and just enjoying the ride....WWHOOOOOHHHEEEEEYYY! |
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And what glorious timing! They have waited for World Basketball Championship to finnish so that our attention doesn't have to be split. |
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bill hicks - (as if that's your real name)you are a prime example of what is wrong with the world. i don't want to argue with you about politics, esp on a site that i thought was about musical interest, but i will say this, i cannot understand buying a massive telly to watch war and mass death for the sake of entertainment. |
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Dude, didn't it ever occur to you that he was being sarcastic? |
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I got a hankering for spankering Saddaam's butt. I'm going all pre-emptive just thinking about this attack. I'm gonna get a surround sound system so i can hear those bombs obliterate those bastards. How dare they challenge the good ol' USA. We stand for democracy and freedom and god help anyone who stands in our way!!!! |
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I asume you are being ironic here hick ? |
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no i didn't. i'm that i can't read sarcasm, i will try harder in the future. besides, even if it was sarcasm (a form of humour), i don't see what is humourous about all this - this is a potential war - a war that will take the lives of many innocent people. maybe i'm being too serious, but really.... for fuck's sake - does anyone have compassion? |
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He is, he is, let's get over it. |
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well........duh |
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OK, OK, but, the problem is this (and I will try not to get terribly postmodern here): with means of mass communication we have at our disposal, the world is reduced to a playground accessible to us from our comfortable chairs: TV, Internet, Phones... So, we hear of so many people suffering/ dying that it all becomes too massive to really relate to. Being aware of all that pain and still coping with it is impossible, especially when not able to do much about it (and, no, we can't do much about it, for all the anti-war and anti-violence protests that always go on), hence the sarcasm, the last refuge of the helpless. |
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War is Peace Ignorance is Strength Freedom is Slavery |
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right you are winston |
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i'm all for joking around to make certain situations more barable - but just because someone cannot relate to something, does not give them the right to take the piss or joke about it. i guess that nobody here knew anyone who came back from the last gulf war. all i'm saying is that the last war affected alot of people, and it is these people who will get offended by such 'sarcastic' comments - think before you speak/type. whether you think something is funny or not - not everyone will agree with you. |
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yer hole's yer hole |
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Quoting that commie Orwell, again, eh, Jonesy? I'm writing a very profound email to you at the moment. When I'm finnished, you'll be allowed to cut and paste part of it in this thread. |
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Predictable aren't I? I am dgoHn: its called satire and is directed at Bush and his band of cowboys. |
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The whole point of making such remarks is to make people twitch, to make them disagree with that thought, to make them give a damn, to make them rethink the values that they have in life. You are proving it right now as you've just switched from brain-free style of posting to "i give a damn about this world" style and you're trying carefully to make your point. |
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I didn't know anyone that went to the gulf war - I'm quite proud to say I don't socialise with idiots that chose to join the army. Who cares about what they feel - they're hired killers. They deal in death - fuck them. If I want any primary schools full of children bombed, I'll give them a call - until then...... |
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