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Dick_007
from Portland (Australia) on 2002-07-10 15:51 [#00304467]
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I just watched a documentry about man landing on the moon, it said that it was a whole conspiracy. What do u guys reckon?
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Nexus 6
from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-10 15:52 [#00304469]
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off course they did hehe I saw them flag waving up there yesterday ;)
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dingle berry
from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-10 15:52 [#00304470]
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none of the shadows or distances match up do they? and the footprints are all wrong as well?
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Dick_007
from Portland (Australia) on 2002-07-10 15:53 [#00304472]
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Yeah the flag could not wave like it did because space is a vacume.
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Dick_007
from Portland (Australia) on 2002-07-10 15:55 [#00304476]
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Oh another thing they said there is a radiation belt that could kill a man easily in space, and the Russians found this and pulled out of the race. If they did go to the moon had they survived this radiation they would have cancer etc
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DirtyPriest
from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-07-10 15:57 [#00304478]
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I dont know if they did it then, but they have now, because some modern satelite technology is based on man made mirrors placed on the moon.
i also saw that show once, rather interesting, but i wasnt convinced of either. But interesting.
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eraritjaritjaka
from Korea on 2002-07-10 16:15 [#00304500]
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i'm sure if the russians knew that it was impossible to go to the moon, they would have told everyone in the world that NASA was lying (cold war era, remember).
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-07-10 16:19 [#00304505]
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astrobotnia is on the moon.
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jand
from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-10 16:43 [#00304526]
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Interesting program....
They devoted a SKY AT NIGHT prog all about it and their eventual decision is yes, we did go the moon....they went thru all the bit n pieces and oddities and came up with good explanations for all of em...
And I do trust Patrick Moore (UK astronomer #1 to all you US'ers scratching your heads and wondering who he is...)
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Resident Evil
from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-10 17:44 [#00304556]
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Yeah, I seen that doco tonight, very interesting. Although I seen something like that a few years ago on Eat Carpet...
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jimisteel
from SLC (United States) on 2002-07-10 17:56 [#00304559]
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Ive heard this before, hmm, i still dont know one way or the other. They could have made a movie or the could have went to the moon and filmed it, who knows quite difficult to prove either way.
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Amonbrune
from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-10 18:02 [#00304566]
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I think they did land on the moon.
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Thelonious Punk
from *fap fap fap* on 2002-07-10 18:08 [#00304573]
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"i'm sure if the Russians knew that it was impossible to go
to the moon, they would have told everyone in the world that
NASA was lying (cold war era, remember)."
This is true, had the Russians known anything of the sort, they wouldn't stop short of trying to disprove them (Us americans) wrong.
Then again lots of people believed 'the adventures of Hans Pfaall' when it was first published. Hohohohoho..
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-07-10 19:09 [#00304616]
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there was another topic like this one a few months ago........
BULLSHIT
(i mean the conspiricy theories, not the actual landing...... that DID happen)
fucking aaaaaall bullshit... someone posted a link to this fucking stupid site with all the "evidence" and I (a fucking 18 year old whos not even an expert on space or anything like that) could disprove all of that shit
im not going to waste my time doing it again..... but if u can find teh old topic its all in there....
sorry, but this shit really pisses me off
1) the radiation belts: these can be avoided..... they are BELTS afterall! this is an example of how IGNORANT these conspiricy theorists are.. they dont even research wtf it is they're talking about.... they just hear a cool buzzword like "radiation" and they're like "ooooooh radiation you CANT go to teh moon, see!??!"
NO idiots, you CAN try learing wtf ur talking about before u start talking shit
holy shit u can see diagrams of these radiation belts in fucking school textbooks!
i just hate it when people believe bullshit without even researching what they are believing... GRRRRR
nevermind all the OTHER evidence AGAINST the conspiricy theories and FOR the real landing..... u can check out the other topic
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marlowe
from Antarctica on 2002-07-10 19:16 [#00304619]
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i saw the same sky at night programme, jand - patrick moore is the man ;)
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USACID
from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2002-07-10 19:34 [#00304626]
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Someone Said Stanley Kubrick was hired by the US Government to make 'believalbe footage' after he made 2001...i wouldn't doubt it for a second cuz...but who knows. its sad when our own government keeps secrets from us.
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eraritjaritjaka
from Korea on 2002-07-10 19:57 [#00304636]
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there is no hard, real, factual proof that USA did not land on the moon. there is however, lot's of proof that they did. and for someone reason i sincerely doubt a conspiracy on such a large scale could ever succeed.
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-07-10 20:11 [#00304651]
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one word. hoax!
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-10 20:46 [#00304699]
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some day somebody will land on mars
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-10 20:47 [#00304706]
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forget i said that, predictions are crap. maybe they will land on mars, maybe no.
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Zeus
from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-10 20:48 [#00304709]
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i wide eyed monkey... with a lightsaber...
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raimons
from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-07-10 20:49 [#00304712]
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some day they will land on the moon too...no hahhaha! just kidding...om mean..the first one probobly was fake---i dont know...
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jimisteel
from SLC (United States) on 2002-07-10 22:37 [#00304930]
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Just because they have some cheesy film of people on what looks like the moon doesnt mean they were actually there!!! Ive seen a video of big foot ive seen a video of aliens what the !@#4 does that prove its a video you can have make footage of anything.
the public new they were spending ridiculous amouts of money to try to get to the moon so maybe they made a fake film so people wouldnt think there tax dollars got wasted.
This subject is pointless because it is impossible to prove that we did or did not land on the moon.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-10 23:06 [#00305004]
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Watch "Capricorn One" starring OJ Simpson about a faked landing on mars.....
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-07-10 23:16 [#00305023]
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yes someday they will land on the moon hahaha!!
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brendan ether
from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-10 23:19 [#00305031]
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yeah, i think it was (is) all just a big hoax... prolly to make government look good at the time.
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Jedi Chris
on 2002-07-10 23:39 [#00305055]
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Yes, I think man landed on the moon!
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uzim
on 2002-07-10 23:48 [#00305059]
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maybe they did land on the moon, but broke their cameras so had to make fake photographs, inspired by what they did actually see.
i don't believe the whole moon landing story was fake.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-10 23:50 [#00305060]
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A) why bother landing on the moon ?
Beat the cold war enemy vindicate $$$$ investment boost American feel good factor
B) but what if it went wrong & they perished ?
humiliation criticism disillusionment
so if A) be achieved without the danger of B) is that a strong motive ?
YESSIRBOSS.
All anyone needs is a motive. Its a fake ? very likely... but not certain.
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-07-11 00:22 [#00305077]
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ur argument is PURELY circumstantial...
u have no direct evidence
u wana know why none of these theorists have any expertice or experience or education or at least a basic knowlege of space-related science and the space program?
u wana know why no one with an background in space/science actually believes this bullshit?
cus its bullshit!
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Ubik
from United States on 2002-07-11 00:59 [#00305085]
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motive to go to the moon...? beat the commies in space because the USA can't nuke'em... plus distract the american public from the pointlessness of fighting in Vietnam
what is the motive for not believing? why did people want to believe that the sun orbited the earth? why did people want to keep believing the earth was flat? ... the smaller you make your view of the world, the bigger and more important you seem in comparison ...
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brendan ether
from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-11 02:24 [#00305121]
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but there is no concrete evidence that man DID go to the moon, either!
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brendan ether
from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-11 02:26 [#00305122]
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not true in my case AT ALL! i would love to believe that we can travel to our moon, other planets, galxies, etc. etc. etc.
but i still don't believe the moon landng footage is real.
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Dozier
from United States on 2002-07-11 06:00 [#00305297]
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There was an inordinate amount of moon rocks and dust and samples brought back from the moon missions that was then spread around to various science institutes to study. Sure, that could probably be faked, but then you'd have to assume that all these independant scientists (ones from other countries no less) were "in on" the hoax, because they are the experts and if anyone was to discover the hoax it would be them.
You can't forget that we're talking about a "hoax" firmly in the realm of science...a realm full of smart and clever people who are mostly interested in pursuing truth. Honestly, if the moon landing was a hoax its cover would have been blown by now.
I admit, I haven't seen any shows (or read any articles) about the proposed conspiracy or any of the evidence they claim to have or logic they use, but for that very reason I believe it to be bullshit.
And I hate to generalize, but I would bet that at least some of you who believe that it was a conspiracy believe a lot of other things were conspiracies or hoaxs as well.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:36 [#00305342]
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i really want to know, if there is a single person on this board, who having the mental capabilities of a squirrel, would actually honestly believe us landing on the moon was a hoax.
I think you will be pleasently suprised at at the factual information even a Google search would turn up regarding this hoax theory. I'm pretty sure by the second page result you would feel foolish for even entertaining such a notion.
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Dozier
from United States on 2002-07-11 06:41 [#00305351]
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It's important to keep an open mind. Afterall, I didn't personally go to the moon, so I don't know without a doubt that anyone ever did, but the evidence and logic kind of lean towards the fact that we did, indeed, land on the moon.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:45 [#00305360]
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I was very carefull to not say that considering all possible ideas/notions/theories was a bad idea.
It is of the utmost importance in all matters, especially scientific ones. However, some things smell fishy from the start. Some things takes little work to debunk or little logic to disprove.
If nothing else, as I indicated, a Google search will tell you all you need to know. I again, I will chide anyone who entertains such a notion.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:48 [#00305366]
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ok, I reread what I said, and maybe it wasn't clear and concise.......so:
the moon is made of glue.
well, I don't know, as I've never been there. Anyone familure with the physical properties of glue however, and the things we have learned about the moon, can pretty much say this is unture, the moon is not made of glue.
Sure, maybe there are some facts that entertain this theory, it is important to consider all ideas. However, it is hairbrained from the start, and false in the end, based on limited evidence.
A statement such as "we didn't land on the moon" follows the same logic. I suspect people will a middle school education wouldn't take the bait, but would at least entertain to a simple Google search at that, to afirm the ridiculous nature of the claim.
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:50 [#00305368]
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you need not believe nor consider plausible ever stupid idea you hear, especially FOX claiming we made up an entire lunar space program for some reason.
*this is me shutting up*
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princo
from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-07-11 06:52 [#00305372]
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hahaha! you watch eat carpet?!
wicked mate! love that show!
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brendan ether
from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-11 07:03 [#00305391]
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trust me... i doubt i'd feel foolish. it is just my point of the view on the matter: no more, no less. i am just stating what i believe. if that makes me a fool, then so be it: I AM A FOOL! :D
(and my reasons for believing it is a hoax have absolutley nothing to do with a queer TV show that was on fox!)
you all make some good points by the way... and you may be right. but i HAVE done my own research through search engines, the NASA site(s), etc... i have been presented with both sides of the case... and i still come out as a skeptic as far as the 1969 lunar landing... maybe i'm crazy... or maybe i smoke too much dope... maybe both.............
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BlatantEcho
from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 07:18 [#00305412]
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humpf, well, since you state that you have facts that support your oppinion, I withdraw any synical comments from before.
I hope you will point out all the evidence you have gathered, and will accept a rebutal to any of them. I also trust you are open minded enough to entertain the possibility we did land on the moon if that is a more defensible position.
If you don't mind......
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-07-11 09:24 [#00305472]
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On one hand- i saw a show that had many many reasong showing how it could only be fake, the photos were fake, the shadows were, the flags etc....i beleive that there is way too much evidence proveing its fake to argue with.
However- people have been to the moon many times since armstrong and those 2 other guys went there, none of those seemed to be faked....but why would the first mission be fake and all others real? why wasnt the first 'real' trip more widely known about? i cant see how All moon visits would be faked...after all, no one is disputing that people have been into space....
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-11 09:34 [#00305478]
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Good points BOB.
I'm curious as to HOW MANY other times man has been on (ie walking around) the moon ? I know there have been supposed landings, but I'm sure the 1969 landing was only followed by possibly ONE other "walkabout".
I'm annoyed that whilst believing the scientific reasons why man "Must have" walked on the moon, people are blatantly ignoring the political forces which would very likely have made that a "MUST NOT HAVE" .
I'm not sure either way, but those people who act so 100% certain on things are always the biggest suckers who look dumbest when they're proved wrong.
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-11 09:36 [#00305480]
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the government is capable of (and indeed responsible for the job of) lying to us.
So don't assume they don't so easily.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-07-11 09:37 [#00305483]
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what i cant see is Why it was faked....
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smokehammer
from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-11 09:41 [#00305484]
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Bob , I refer you to My post from earlier....
A) why bother landing on the moon ?
Beat the cold war enemy vindicate $$$$ investment boost American feel good factor + to distract the american public from the pointlessness of fighting in Vietnam (thanks Ubik:)
B) but what if it went wrong & the astronauts perished ?
humiliation criticism disillusionment
so if A) be achieved without the danger of B) is that a strong motive ?
YESSIRBOSS.
All anyone needs is a motive.
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-07-11 09:46 [#00305486]
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oops i should have read the whole thread carefully....
there would have to be a whole lot of people involved to make such a large scale cover up, how can the government trust so many people to keep the secret?
i am undecided...
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Resident Evil
from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-11 09:47 [#00305488]
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princo ... "hahaha! you watch eat carpet?! wicked mate! love that show!"
Yeah! It's excellent. Saturday night doesn't feel right without Eat Carpet :)
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At the end of the documentary they said in a few years Japan will be sending something into space to take close up photo's of the moon, if man have been to the moon there will be stuff left such as the landing gear and the flags. So if they are visable in the photo's that means man did go to the moon. And if nothing appears in the photo's... well, maybe the aliens didn't like that human crap spoiling their luna landscape! Or maybe Japan is in on the hoax! Either way I'm happy, man landing on the moon is cool and a huge giant hoax is cool as well!
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Resident Evil
from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-11 09:51 [#00305491]
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Bob McBob... "there would have to be a whole lot of people involved to make such a large scale cover up, how can the government trust so many people to keep the secret?
i am undecided..."
Apparently only a handful knew if it was a hoax. Different parts where made in different places and it was easy to keep a lot of people in the dark about it... If you believe what the doco says.
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