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offline Dick_007 from Portland (Australia) on 2002-07-10 15:51 [#00304467]
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I just watched a documentry about man landing on the moon,
it said that it was a whole conspiracy. What do u guys
reckon?


 

offline Nexus 6 from Netherlands, The on 2002-07-10 15:52 [#00304469]
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off course they did hehe I saw them flag waving up there
yesterday ;)


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-07-10 15:52 [#00304470]
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none of the shadows or distances match up do they?
and the footprints are all wrong as well?


 

offline Dick_007 from Portland (Australia) on 2002-07-10 15:53 [#00304472]
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Yeah the flag could not wave like it did because space is a
vacume.



 

offline Dick_007 from Portland (Australia) on 2002-07-10 15:55 [#00304476]
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Oh another thing they said there is a radiation belt that
could kill a man easily in space, and the Russians found
this and pulled out of the race. If they did go to the moon
had they survived this radiation they would have cancer etc


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2002-07-10 15:57 [#00304478]
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I dont know if they did it then, but they have now, because
some modern satelite technology is based on man made mirrors
placed on the moon.

i also saw that show once, rather interesting, but i wasnt
convinced of either. But interesting.


 

offline eraritjaritjaka from Korea on 2002-07-10 16:15 [#00304500]
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i'm sure if the russians knew that it was impossible to go
to the moon, they would have told everyone in the world that
NASA was lying (cold war era, remember).


 

offline recycle from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-07-10 16:19 [#00304505]
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astrobotnia is on the moon.


 

offline jand from Braintree (United Kingdom) on 2002-07-10 16:43 [#00304526]
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Interesting program....

They devoted a SKY AT NIGHT prog all about it and their
eventual decision is yes, we did go the moon....they went
thru all the bit n pieces and oddities and came up with good
explanations for all of em...

And I do trust Patrick Moore (UK astronomer #1 to all you
US'ers scratching your heads and wondering who he is...)



 

offline Resident Evil from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-10 17:44 [#00304556]
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Yeah, I seen that doco tonight, very interesting. Although I
seen something like that a few years ago on Eat Carpet...


 

offline jimisteel from SLC (United States) on 2002-07-10 17:56 [#00304559]
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Ive heard this before, hmm, i still dont know one way or the
other. They could have made a movie or the could have went
to the moon and filmed it, who knows quite difficult to
prove either way.


 

offline Amonbrune from Vancouver (Canada) on 2002-07-10 18:02 [#00304566]
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I think they did land on the moon.


 

offline Thelonious Punk from *fap fap fap* on 2002-07-10 18:08 [#00304573]
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"i'm sure if the Russians knew that it was impossible to go

to the moon, they would have told everyone in the world that

NASA was lying (cold war era, remember)."

This is true, had the Russians known anything of the sort,
they wouldn't stop short of trying to disprove them (Us
americans) wrong.

Then again lots of people believed 'the adventures of Hans
Pfaall' when it was first published. Hohohohoho..



 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-07-10 19:09 [#00304616]
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there was another topic like this one a few months
ago........
BULLSHIT

(i mean the conspiricy theories, not the actual
landing...... that DID happen)

fucking aaaaaall bullshit... someone posted a link to this
fucking stupid site with all the "evidence" and I (a fucking
18 year old whos not even an expert on space or anything
like that) could disprove all of that shit
im not going to waste my time doing it again..... but if u
can find teh old topic its all in there....

sorry, but this shit really pisses me off

1) the radiation belts:
these can be avoided..... they are BELTS afterall! this is
an example of how IGNORANT these conspiricy theorists are..
they dont even research wtf it is they're talking about....
they just hear a cool buzzword like "radiation" and they're
like "ooooooh radiation you CANT go to teh moon, see!??!"
NO idiots, you CAN
try learing wtf ur talking about before u start talking
shit
holy shit u can see diagrams of these radiation belts in
fucking school textbooks!

i just hate it when people believe bullshit without even
researching what they are believing... GRRRRR

nevermind all the OTHER evidence AGAINST the conspiricy
theories and FOR the real landing..... u can check out the
other topic


 

offline marlowe from Antarctica on 2002-07-10 19:16 [#00304619]
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i saw the same sky at night programme, jand - patrick moore
is the man ;)


 

offline USACID from Death Valley (Zambia) on 2002-07-10 19:34 [#00304626]
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Someone Said Stanley Kubrick was hired by the US Government
to make 'believalbe footage' after he made 2001...i wouldn't
doubt it for a second cuz...but who knows. its sad when our
own government keeps secrets from us.


 

offline eraritjaritjaka from Korea on 2002-07-10 19:57 [#00304636]
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there is no hard, real, factual proof that USA did not land
on the moon. there is however, lot's of proof that they did.
and for someone reason i sincerely doubt a conspiracy on
such a large scale could ever succeed.


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-07-10 20:11 [#00304651]
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one word. hoax!


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-10 20:46 [#00304699]
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some day somebody will land on mars


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-07-10 20:47 [#00304706]
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forget i said that, predictions are crap. maybe they will
land on mars, maybe no.


 

offline Zeus from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-07-10 20:48 [#00304709]
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i wide eyed monkey... with a lightsaber...


 

offline raimons from Stockholm (Sweden) on 2002-07-10 20:49 [#00304712]
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some day they will land on the moon too...no hahhaha! just
kidding...om mean..the first one probobly was fake---i dont
know...


 

offline jimisteel from SLC (United States) on 2002-07-10 22:37 [#00304930]
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Just because they have some cheesy film of people on what
looks like the moon doesnt mean they were actually there!!!
Ive seen a video of big foot ive seen a video of aliens
what the !@#4 does that prove its a video you can have make
footage of anything.

the public new they were spending ridiculous amouts of money
to try to get to the moon so maybe they made a fake film so
people wouldnt think there tax dollars got wasted.

This subject is pointless because it is impossible to prove
that we did or did not land on the moon.



 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-10 23:06 [#00305004]
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Watch "Capricorn One" starring OJ Simpson about a faked
landing on mars.....



 

offline Sido Dyas from a computer on 2002-07-10 23:16 [#00305023]
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yes someday they will land on the moon hahaha!!


 

offline brendan ether from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-10 23:19 [#00305031]
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yeah, i think it was (is) all just a big hoax... prolly to
make government look good at the time.


 

offline Jedi Chris on 2002-07-10 23:39 [#00305055]
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Yes, I think man landed on the moon!


 

offline uzim on 2002-07-10 23:48 [#00305059]
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maybe they did land on the moon, but broke their cameras so
had to make fake photographs, inspired by what they did
actually see.

i don't believe the whole moon landing story was fake.


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-10 23:50 [#00305060]
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A) why bother landing on the moon ?

Beat the cold war enemy
vindicate $$$$ investment
boost American feel good factor

B) but what if it went wrong & they perished ?

humiliation
criticism
disillusionment

so if A) be achieved without the danger of B) is that a
strong motive ?

YESSIRBOSS.

All anyone needs is a motive. Its a fake ? very likely...
but not certain.


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-07-11 00:22 [#00305077]
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ur argument is PURELY circumstantial...

u have no direct evidence

u wana know why none of these theorists have any expertice
or experience or education or at least a basic knowlege of
space-related science and the space program?
u wana know why no one with an background in space/science
actually believes this bullshit?

cus its bullshit!


 

offline Ubik from United States on 2002-07-11 00:59 [#00305085]
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motive to go to the moon...? beat the commies in space
because the USA can't nuke'em... plus distract the american
public from the pointlessness of fighting in Vietnam

what is the motive for not believing? why did people want
to believe that the sun orbited the earth? why did people
want to keep believing the earth was flat? ... the smaller
you make your view of the world, the bigger and more
important you seem in comparison ...


 

offline brendan ether from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-11 02:24 [#00305121]
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but there is no concrete evidence that man DID go to the
moon, either!


 

offline brendan ether from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-11 02:26 [#00305122]
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not true in my case AT ALL! i would love to believe that we
can travel to our moon, other planets, galxies, etc. etc.
etc.
but i still don't believe the moon landng footage is real.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2002-07-11 06:00 [#00305297]
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There was an inordinate amount of moon rocks and dust and
samples brought back from the moon missions that was then
spread around to various science institutes to study. Sure,
that could probably be faked, but then you'd have to assume
that all these independant scientists (ones from other
countries no less) were "in on" the hoax, because
they are the experts and if anyone was to discover
the hoax it would be them.

You can't forget that we're talking about a "hoax" firmly in
the realm of science...a realm full of smart and clever
people who are mostly interested in pursuing truth.
Honestly, if the moon landing was a hoax its cover would
have been blown by now.

I admit, I haven't seen any shows (or read any articles)
about the proposed conspiracy or any of the evidence they
claim to have or logic they use, but for that very reason I
believe it to be bullshit.

And I hate to generalize, but I would bet that at least some
of you who believe that it was a conspiracy believe a lot of
other things were conspiracies or hoaxs as well.



 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:36 [#00305342]
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i really want to know, if there is a single person on this
board, who having the mental capabilities of a squirrel,
would actually honestly believe us landing on the moon was a
hoax.

I think you will be pleasently suprised at at the factual
information even a Google search would turn up regarding
this hoax theory. I'm pretty sure by the second page result
you would feel foolish for even entertaining such a notion.


 

offline Dozier from United States on 2002-07-11 06:41 [#00305351]
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It's important to keep an open mind. Afterall, I didn't
personally go to the moon, so I don't know without a doubt
that anyone ever did, but the evidence and logic kind of
lean towards the fact that we did, indeed, land on the moon.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:45 [#00305360]
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I was very carefull to not say that considering all possible
ideas/notions/theories was a bad idea.

It is of the utmost importance in all matters, especially
scientific ones. However, some things smell fishy from the
start. Some things takes little work to debunk or little
logic to disprove.

If nothing else, as I indicated, a Google search will tell
you all you need to know. I again, I will chide anyone who
entertains such a notion.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:48 [#00305366]
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ok, I reread what I said, and maybe it wasn't clear and
concise.......so:

the moon is made of glue.

well, I don't know, as I've never been there. Anyone
familure with the physical properties of glue however, and
the things we have learned about the moon, can pretty much
say this is unture, the moon is not made of glue.

Sure, maybe there are some facts that entertain this theory,
it is important to consider all ideas. However, it is
hairbrained from the start, and false in the end, based on
limited evidence.

A statement such as "we didn't land on the moon" follows the
same logic. I suspect people will a middle school education
wouldn't take the bait, but would at least entertain to a
simple Google search at that, to afirm the ridiculous nature
of the claim.


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 06:50 [#00305368]
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you need not believe nor consider plausible ever stupid idea
you hear, especially FOX claiming we made up an entire lunar
space program for some reason.

*this is me shutting up*


 

offline princo from Shitty City (Geelong) (Australia) on 2002-07-11 06:52 [#00305372]
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hahaha! you watch eat carpet?!

wicked mate! love that show!



 

offline brendan ether from the beach (obx, NC) (United States) on 2002-07-11 07:03 [#00305391]
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trust me... i doubt i'd feel foolish. it is just my point
of the view on the matter: no more, no less. i am just
stating what i believe. if that makes me a fool, then so be
it: I AM A FOOL! :D

(and my reasons for believing it is a hoax have absolutley
nothing to do with a queer TV show that was on fox!)

you all make some good points by the way... and you may be
right. but i HAVE done my own research through search
engines, the NASA site(s), etc... i have been presented
with both sides of the case... and i still come out as a
skeptic as far as the 1969 lunar landing... maybe i'm
crazy... or maybe i smoke too much dope... maybe
both.............


 

offline BlatantEcho from All over (United States) on 2002-07-11 07:18 [#00305412]
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humpf, well, since you state that you have facts that
support your oppinion, I withdraw any synical comments from
before.

I hope you will point out all the evidence you have
gathered, and will accept a rebutal to any of them. I also
trust you are open minded enough to entertain the
possibility we did land on the moon if that is a more
defensible position.

If you don't mind......


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-07-11 09:24 [#00305472]
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On one hand-
i saw a show that had many many reasong showing how it could
only be fake, the photos were fake, the shadows were, the
flags etc....i beleive that there is way too much evidence
proveing its fake to argue with.

However-
people have been to the moon many times since armstrong and
those 2 other guys went there, none of those seemed to be
faked....but why would the first mission be fake and all
others real? why wasnt the first 'real' trip more widely
known about? i cant see how All moon visits would be
faked...after all, no one is disputing that people have been
into space....


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-11 09:34 [#00305478]
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Good points BOB.

I'm curious as to HOW MANY other times man has been on (ie
walking around) the moon ? I know there have been supposed
landings, but I'm sure the 1969 landing was only followed
by possibly ONE other "walkabout".

I'm annoyed that whilst believing the scientific reasons why
man "Must have" walked on the moon, people are blatantly
ignoring the political forces which would very likely have
made that a "MUST NOT HAVE" .

I'm not sure either way, but those people who act so 100%
certain on things are always the biggest suckers who look
dumbest when they're proved wrong.


 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-11 09:36 [#00305480]
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the government is capable of (and indeed responsible for the
job of) lying to us.

So don't assume they don't so easily.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-07-11 09:37 [#00305483]
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what i cant see is Why it was faked....



 

offline smokehammer from Saigon (Vietnam) on 2002-07-11 09:41 [#00305484]
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Bob , I refer you to My post from earlier....

A) why bother landing on the moon ?

Beat the cold war enemy
vindicate $$$$ investment
boost American feel good factor
+ to distract the american
public from the pointlessness of fighting in Vietnam (thanks
Ubik:)

B) but what if it went wrong & the astronauts perished ?

humiliation
criticism
disillusionment

so if A) be achieved without the danger of B) is that a
strong motive ?

YESSIRBOSS.

All anyone needs is a motive.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-07-11 09:46 [#00305486]
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oops i should have read the whole thread carefully....

there would have to be a whole lot of people involved to
make such a large scale cover up, how can the government
trust so many people to keep the secret?
i am undecided...


 

offline Resident Evil from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-11 09:47 [#00305488]
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princo ... "hahaha! you watch eat carpet?!
wicked mate! love that show!"

Yeah! It's excellent. Saturday night doesn't feel right
without Eat Carpet :)

--

At the end of the documentary they said in a few years Japan
will be sending something into space to take close up
photo's of the moon, if man have been to the moon there will
be stuff left such as the landing gear and the flags. So if
they are visable in the photo's that means man did go to the
moon. And if nothing appears in the photo's... well, maybe
the aliens didn't like that human crap spoiling their luna
landscape! Or maybe Japan is in on the hoax! Either way I'm
happy, man landing on the moon is cool and a huge giant hoax
is cool as well!



 

offline Resident Evil from heat some coffee, mmm, mmm (Australia) on 2002-07-11 09:51 [#00305491]
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Bob McBob...
"there would have to be a whole lot of people involved to
make such a large scale cover up, how can the government
trust so many people to keep the secret?
i am undecided..."

Apparently only a handful knew if it was a hoax. Different
parts where made in different places and it was easy to keep
a lot of people in the dark about it... If you believe what
the doco says.



 


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