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anyone else pissed off at current drug laws? i got busted for something that shouldn't even be a crime. |
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what happened? and yes, i too think the laws are unfair |
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id make beer, alchohol, cigeretts, cell phones illegal im not the person you want a responce from. ticket? how much? what was it? pot? |
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hey beer helped discover the new world, so back off there recycle, beer is sacred to me! |
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Keep it illegal, I don't want government regulated weed. |
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try making some home-brew heroin beer. it'll confuse the cops long enough for you to jump out the back window while they're trying to decide what to charge you with. |
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i actually got busted a while ago (for jane) when i was still a minor. i'm in the process of having it removed from my record which is a big hassle. |
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Well I think weed should be illegal because it reeks and who knows what the actual long-term effects are. If we wanted to "Legalise Freedom" then there would be drugs of all kinds, euthinasia (sp??) and everything else. Sometimes the government has to step in and protect people from themselves. |
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weed should not be legal hemp should, to make rope.clothes whatever. |
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people can make choices for themselves. why don't you think weed should be legal? (not trying to start an argument, just a little debate.) |
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if u u find freedom to be the same as drugs I really feel sorry for u dude..... drug is a lot of things... but it's not freedom...... |
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WTF!? I cant believe some of the uneducated things you people are saying. For starters the govt wants to keep drugs illegal because it brings in the cash flow. Alcahol and Cigarette companies all give money to fight the war on drugs (talk about hipocricy). Also the worlds largest prison builder also supports the war on drugs. Surprise? No one has died from weed. Ever. "Sometimes the government has to step in and protect people from themselves." Are you serious? Alcahol and Cigarettes kill more people than coke, heroin, and extacy COMBINED. "Keep it illegal, I don't want government regulated weed." OMG. When you buy weed from a shady drug dealer, how the fuck do you know what they laced it with (if anything). When weed becomes legal, GROW YOUR OWN. Its a plant that was put here for our use. Basil is legal, is it controlled by the government? No. Why? Because its a motherfucking plant that grows naturally just like cannabis. |
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kittie: i never said drugs=freedom. i do say, however, that freedom means being able to choose for yourself, whether it's drugs or anything else. |
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weatheredstoner: i´m not interested in a debate b´cause i dont give a fuck, lots of my mates smoke.. but have you ever heard of an hash-psychosis. its for real, i promise. |
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hmm -every choice have consequenses.... i'm not against drugs.... not at all *lol* and sure -people should have a right too choce for them selfes... -and we do have... we just have to take the consequenses ;) |
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hmmm that sucks.... nothing hurts more than seeing someone u really care for turn to shit because of that :( |
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hehe *sits in his 'dutch' room, opens the window and lightens a joint... oh look, there's a cop... "hi officer" "hey young man, give me some of that shit" "sure hehe" ;) Just kidding around, but here in holland you can walk around with a joint in your mouth as long as you don't disturb others with it... |
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exactly. i agree, kittie, that whatever you choose to do, you have to accept the consequences. i've known people who've died becuz of H and done other stupid things that have messed up their lives. but they made that choice. no one else made it for them. anyway, i'm really only angry about jane which is basically harmless. |
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OK |
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gee thanks |
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In my opinion, all drugs should be legalized and controlled, and only if your actions with drugs cause harm or damage to another person or their property, should you be prosecuted. Most people who do drugs dont go out driving afterwards with the sole intent on harrassing people or causing mischeif. I am quite comfortable toking a joint and then look forward to a comfortable evening at home. If what IM doing only affects MY body, then how the fuck should anyone else tell me not to do it?? hard drugs (NOT mary jane) can mess up your life, but those are choices that YOU make. Does it really make sense to throw someone in prison for posession of a substance (weed) that is less harmful than tobacco AND alcohol, my nation's two legal drugs? |
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and noone has died of cigs, ever. 'twas cancer. |
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Mary Jane is one of the biggest drive-thru's to the heavy shit. All these excuses why light drugs should be legal all sum up ass bullshit. We've had two drug seminars at work now, with narcs showing us what a junkies life is all about. The kids growing up in a place where mommy's and daddy's only concern is to keep their heads above water. The stuff they show you is the worst cases of course, but this is Sweden ffs! I can't even imagine what the situation is in the USA. Well, I've seen the streets of NY and it wasn't pretty. What a fucking zoo to live in. -P |
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weed can be a gateway drug, but I have been educated on the effects of hard drugs and there is no fucking way I would ever do any of that shit. My point is, with education, the chance that weed will turn into a gateway drug for people is almost non existant, and furthermore, if they do decide to try new things, it will be a conscious decision that they will have to make, knowing the effects on the body of hard drugs. Either way, the choice should belong to the individual. all that "the govt needs to protect ppl from themselves" crap is the real bullshit. I don't understand why people not only ALLOW it, but WANT the government to control their lives. I don't necessarily think that ALL drugs should be made legal, but when alcohol is legal, having marijuana illegal is just a fucking joke. The effects of alcohol are MUCH greater on the body and the mind. If I were to sit down and smoke 1 joint for every shot of 80 proof liquor that a drinker takes, I gaurantee that I will be the better driver, always. "We've had two drug seminars at work now, with narcs showing us what a junkies life is all about. The kids growing up in a place where mommy's and daddy's only concern is to keep their heads above water. " so, their parents' only concern is to survive? um... that sounds like a pretty normal concern to me.... |
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also, are you assuming that every person you saw in new york was a raging drug addict? thats a pretty unintelligent claim. |
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scare tactics and zero tolerance are responsible in helping making human rights non-existant, while they force feed our children with caffeine, ritalin, and alcohol- i think it's childish, but that's the way our corporations have evolved oh and btw about that "government regulated weed"- i'd wrather smoke that than most of the commercial bud that floats around, which often contains formaldahyde, butane, and all the other crap you're likely to find in cigarette- for very obvious reasons, too |
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LOL paco i'm laughing my ass off reading your post... see "scare tactics" u dumbass i've LOST friends to hard drugs and i still doubt that their illegalization is helpful to society, if anything i blame these backwards laws for stealing my dead friends parents money, and making my friends hide their addictions which otherwise could have been helped in two words FUCK YOU. |
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All right, my views on these subjects have change a lot in recent years, and I think I have it figured out. I'm actually almost in favour of decriminalizing marijuana. It's not nearly as harmful as things like alcohol, which is legal. In fact, I'd rather see alcohol made illlegal and weed made legal. When you're high you're almost never violent, and most of the time dont feel like driving or operating machinery, so it's less of a risk to people around you. Makign all drugs legal is not the solution, however. Everyone thinks that people should be responsible for screwing up their own bodies, but unfortunetely, a lot of people in this world don't have the willpower/intelligence/risk perception to decide that what they are doing is not going to hurt them. Drugs are never good in the long run. You need to find something that makes you feel good without damaging your body and mind. |
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You're both very clever. Also, every overdosed junkie's grave should read, "I have it under control." Scare tactics? I don't think anyone there at the seminar got scared, just very educated on the effects of drugs to society. diemax, you say you lost friends to hard drugs. What would've saved them if the drugs would have been legal. More moderate consumption? Hahah I don't think so. There is no new argument you can come up with that will make people think, "Oh, we should legalize cocaine or heroin. It will save people's lives." All the junkie arguments have flaws. Flaws that ruin young people's lives everyday. Zephyr, unlike you, I know when I see a homeless teen begging for change. Fucking scary if you ask me. -P |
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we're all addicts of some kind |
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xlr, my post was at Zephyr and diemax |
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It doesnt take a rocket scientist to know what a homeless teen begging for change looks like. Not all homeless people got that way because of drugs. you're over simplifying the matter. Also, I dont know if cocaine or heroine should be legalized, but people are going to do it either way, so if the govt controlled its production, then there wouldnt be as many impurities in them. All I really care about either way is marijuana reform, and all I'm saying is let the people who want to do it do it, and let those who dont just mind their own fucking business. |
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that's not the way society works, at least not in europe (this was no offense, ok) |
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"You need to find something that makes you feel good without damaging your body and mind." that is good advice, but there are things that make me feel good, like music and video games, and then theres drugs. The two really can't be interchanged because the _type_ of happiness that each brings is completely different. |
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I didnt take any offense to that, but I'm not quite sure what you mean. You mean, people in europe dont mind their own business? |
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nah i'm saying we do have public health care here and it works pretty fine - so, consequently, i disagree that it is not my buisness if ppl take drugs, since i gotta pay (a small part) for their health care. it's ppl's duty not to destroy their health, since we live in a community and one 's gota pay for the other via taxes. of course it doesnt work without drugs, i think alcohol and nicotine simply are enough and i don't want any further drug to be easily available i have smoked weed for four years and cigs for eight years, i quit a year ago (what was really hard) and now i feel that it simply is not necessary. it never was |
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I see what your saying about the public health care, and I understand where you're coming from. Still, in the context of my country, I really believe that it is my right to do what I want to my body, whether it be to grow a mohawk, get tatoos, or smoke weed. |
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"The two really can't be interchanged because the _type_ of happiness that each brings is completely different." The type of happiness drugs bring you and the strength of the addiction is exactly why it's illegal. You don't see people commiting hard crimes for a six-pack or a bottle of Jack Daniels. Not in the same extreme extent as with drugs anyway. The pleasure centra of the brain completely surrenders to drugs, while alcohol often has other social factors involved, when people become alcoholics. -P |
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thats really not what I meant at all, and I resent the fact that you consider marijuana smokers to be hard criminals. What I MEANT was that while there are activities that are as fun as smoking marijuana, they don't feel nearly as pleasurable in the same way. I guess close minded people like you cannot and will not ever understand. (oh btw, alcohol is a drug too.) |
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yo paco.. the reason people aren't committing hard crimes for a six-pack of beer, is that it's sold at your local conveniece store for $10. the only people benefiting from the prohibition of 'drugs' are the criminals selling them (and the criminals in the tobacco/alcohol industry, like philip morris). and it's funny that you think you know so much about drugs just from meeting some loser drug addicts. |
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good one urb... i think that paco has been programmed... it's really disturbing how some people are dumb enough to believe that ANYTHING let alone some random powders, pills, and plants, lets you skip responsability for your actions... if you kill someone and you were on cocaine it wasn't the cokes fault IT WAS YOUR FAULT- same with any other drug, and if i had my way claiming temporary insanity or intoxication would be a short ticket to the fuckin' chair. |
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and just so i forget, i'm not saying moderate consumption is the key, i'm not retarded, though i have to wonder about you- the point i try to make is that when ever you tell a 15 yearold not to do something, then you make a whole bunch of laws about it, that kid will find that idea irresistable, (no offense to our younger members) so how would u suggest stopping it? maybe we can take all our kids on these stupid scared straight programs that make them glorify prison inmates, or maybe we should just give them more ritalin? jesus christ, the answer is education, and not just education for the children, but especially for the adults who make these dumbass laws. i've been to the same thing you've been to when, my mother worked for henry ford hospital in detroit, she took me to just about every one of these seminars she could find- i learned nothing but contempt for my fellow man. all it is is an attempt to scare us away from the smallest things when we do these things, and find out that there's nothing wrong with them, we try the harder stuff, that's how I ended up doing ecstacy and ketamine, when i was 16- which is stupid- the reason why i did these stupid substances can be tacked on to the idiots who initiated childish scare tactic meetings like the one you attended so how about it, you've seen their lies, when u shoot up coke, and nothing happens what are you gonna do next i'm not fucking around, i'm concerned for your welfare, you seem like the gullible type. |
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exactly! When Holland legalized marijuana, the overall use of marijuana AND heroine plummeted to all time lows. When you take the forbidden fruit factor out of the equation, the glorification of it stops. |
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weed helped me learn to relax. acid is opening my mind. and e makes me a better person. they can damage your brain but they are quite often good for your mind. |
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paco: ever seen those movies about old skool gangs, with tommy guns and shit? it really happened know why? result of no booze |
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zeus - lol |
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"they can damage your brain but they are quite often good for your mind." a nifty little way of looking at it. :) |
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od: its true |
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really? i seem to remember there being some sort of alcohol ban in the us long ago....care to go into a bit of detail, plz (if you can be bothered)? this interests me... |
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