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           Zeus
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 i just saw it
  yes, it has tom cruise... but i dont care... IT FUCKING  ROCKED
 
  so amazing
  Philip K Dick is a genius
  i suggest everyone see it.
  LOVED IT AHHHHHHH
 
  
         
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           AMinal
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i liked it
  i didn't LOVE it...... there was a lot of stupid shit in it
  but i liked it, for sure
 
  
         
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           deadwhitespoon
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I'm not sure how much Philip K Dick is in anything hollywood  has done based on Philip K Dick, including Blade Runner.  "Based on..." is such a great escape clause when you need to  Spielberg out on something (you've seen AI, maybe?). I did  like MR, it lands nicely between BR and Gattaca (sp?).  Still...very Hollywood.  
 
  
         
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           Meho Krljic
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Most PKD based films were shit. I did not even like Blade  Runner (not that it has much to do with the book, BTW) and  Total recall and Screamers were crap. I hate Spielberg and I  hate Tom Cruise, but I may even go and see MR.....  
 
  
         
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pkd wrote the short story carpenters's "the thing" was based  on......good shit there. Still have to see "Everybody runs  minority reports"!!
  Can't argue with blade runner - "time......to die"
 
  
         
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           Laqeuro
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yeah zues it WAS a  great movie, when i went to see it i  wasn't expecting much but i came out more than satisfied. 
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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           Atop
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I thought it was an abomination with too many goofy stupid scenes, and not enough PKD.  Hollywood  loves to rip apart good art
  and sell it to the masses.  Read VALIS or The Divine Invasion.  That is what PKD is all about, not Tom Cruise being set up by his own police force and then changing his eyeballs and  accidentily
  eating some rotten food and drinking rotten milk.  Imposter was worse but pretty much the same deal with a cop being framed, PKD was not about cops being framed or Hollywood gimmicks, he was about expansion of our minds,  evolution of our minds into super psychic beings, the  precogs
  kind of hit upon this but they were not well developed characters and for a being that had been  sitting in liquid for
  6 years or whatever she sure could move around well.
  There has never been a film based on a PKD story that lived  up to his standards,
  hopefully we will see one some day.
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           Zeus
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           Laqeuro
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           deadwhitespoon
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I still liked the movie, and Blade Runner is one of my  favourites...they just having next to nothing to do with the  sourse material. I must say though, that at times I'm sure  that PKD was eating the same loaf of mouldy bread as H.P.  Lovecraft...he just metabolised it a bit differently. 
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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philip k dick wrote the short story "the thing" was based  on?? it was based on a story by john w campbell jr.   
 
  
         
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           marlowe
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           Xanatos
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I was dissapointed, I expected a mind-blowing film.  It was  average.  
 
  The future world (often reminiscent of Demolition Man) was  fucking cool.  But the plot was convoluted and stupid.   Anyone notice minority reports had nothing to do with the  movie? 
 
  
         
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           Jedi Chris
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I'm going to watch it soon . . . I think it looks good!
 
  
         
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           DeLtoiD
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i watched it subbed like last week, definately must go an  see... 0-) 
 
  
         
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           Martytan
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I thought this movie SUCKED... .   visually, it was  interesting, but the plot was pretty weak...
 
  and for some reason, as Atop said, there were so many  pointless and unexplained scenes interspursed in the  movie... 
 
  the general public doesn't know what a good sci-fi film--or  a good sci-fi book for that matter--is like, and thus, films  like this get excellent reviews, claiming how 'fresh' and  'avant-gaurd' it is....
 
  typical shitty speilberg....imo
 
  
         
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           Zeus
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what are you talking about?
  It was great.
  And the plot was in no way weak. It was very intrigueing.
  And please give me examples of pointless scenes...
  ... are you sure you understood this movie?
 
  
         
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             from somewhere in upstate new york (United States) on 2002-06-28 01:15 [#00287737]
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the eye removal scene--although it was not at all  pointless--seemed like terry gilliam had set the pemise for  it, and then mr. speilberg softened it in a way that would  seem more bearable for the audience to sit through and laugh  at the obvious, more blatant and straightforward humor. 
 
  The horticulturist scene was great visually, with those  carnivorous plants... but why did this crazy plant lady  'invent' precrime, and why the fuck did she kiss him?!  Merely to entertain the general public's low attention  span....
 
  but this is just my opinion... 
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           pachi
             from yo momma (United States) on 2002-06-28 01:51 [#00287758]
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i still havent seen it and would like to
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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I think all you people should stop analyzing shit so much  and take it for what it is. Chill out. Let me put it in your  terms... Not everything is an "aphex twin". 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-28 02:03 [#00287765]
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i disagree with you...
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           skodt
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some people need things spelt out for them in films, that  what me thinks.
  read more, it may help. pay more attention to what is explained with plot, setting,  and character development.
  just because things aren't 'said' does not mean they are not  explained.
  maybe you pholks should watch it again. and for those of you who said blade runner sucked, i think  you should read the aforementioned suggestions, for me  thinks you missed the point of the film.
  in fact, i know you did. watch it again.
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-28 02:20 [#00287798]
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bingo
 
  
         
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           Martytan
             from somewhere in upstate new york (United States) on 2002-06-28 02:44 [#00287835]
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whatever... I didn't like the film, but I also hate arguing,  so...
 
  I hereby pronouce this topic finished!
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           Crocomire
             from plante (United States) on 2002-06-28 02:46 [#00287836]
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there was nothing wrong with that movie, it was crisp, mint,  ace, it owns. what a champion of a movie. the production  design was better than both new star wars movies imo, and it  was perfect all around. better than total recall. it's now  one of my favorites of all time. 
  pointless scenes? no way. i don't care about PKD and how  this movie compares. who cares. look at what's there and not  what's missing. it is a masterpiece of a movie. 
 
  
         
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           Atop
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Stanley Kubrick is dead, Spielberg needs to die,
  The scene with the eyeball transplant was A COMPLETE RIP OFF  OF A CLOCKWORK ORANGE.
 
  The eyelid openers were probably the same ones used in ACO.
  This movie sucked ass, and who ever doesn't think so needs  to watch
  12 Monkeys, or the Fellowship of the Ring, or 2001, and then  they'll probably think these films suck
  becasuse they have too much substance and are good SciFi/Fantasy!
  sorry for venting but The Minority Report is one of the  worst films EVER.
 
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           Xanatos
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Although I agree that every movie you listed above is better  than minority report (which I was dissapointed by as you can  see in my post above), the eyeball removal scene was more  taken from 12 Monkeys (teeth removal) than clockwork orange.   Just because he holds eyelids open (and the openers were  different) in both movies doesn't really mean that they are  a rip-off of each other. 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-28 20:44 [#00288691]
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ive seen all those movies
  and i like them as well
  ... how is it a rip off of clockwork orange... its been  awhile... but i dont remember them taking out anyones  eyes... he just had his eyes held open for brainwashing...
 
  stainly kubrick didnt invent the eye things... its commonly  used in eye surgery... its a medical tool.. so please  explain to me how a clockwaork orange was ripped off... 
 
  
         
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           Zeus
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and please show me where i said it was the best movie ever  made...
 
  i never said that. i said it rocked.. but that doesnt imply  that it was better then any other sci fi 
 
  
         
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           Atop
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the emphasis on the eye openers in TMR looked just like Alex  having them placed on his eyes in ACO,
  I know they didn't take out his eyes but there was classical music being played \throughout the film a common occurrence within Kubrick  films.
 
  and some of the scenes were just blatant style rips on Kubrick in general, yes he is a good man to have as an  influence but you don't copy his style for your own  benefit.
 
  Spielberg has no style anymore, only wishy washy films for generic film goers.  He needs to  leave the scifi to Gilliam, David Fincher, and Richard  Kelley(Donnie Darko) and some others I can't think of now.
 
  Spielberg needs to put Hook 2, or maybe Batteries Not Included 2.
  he sucks just face it.
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           Zeus
             from San Francisco (United States) on 2002-06-28 20:57 [#00288708]
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i totally disagree
  he is a great film maker
 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
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i've also seen 12 monkeys, 2001 and the fellowship of the  ring, and MR is imo better than 12 monkeys, just as good as  2001, and almost as good as fotr. 
 
  
         
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           Atop
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Shit!
  No No NO!
  Akkad
 
  
         
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           Martytan
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and the precrime notification device was like a fucking  bubble gum machine with the red balls that came out of it.  bullshit. "Each ball has a unique grain!" oohh! how  creative, mr speilberg!
 
  I agree, atop, this move was a waste of my time! aarggh!
  bad sci-fi! .....
 
  
         
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           deadwhitespoon
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Anybody out there dreading the Hollywoodization of  SOLARIS!!? 
 
  
         
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           core
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roll on the remake of solaris.     is it going to be good? or is it going to be big-budget  hollywood shit that misses the whole point of tarkovsky's  original? 
    you decide...
 
  
         
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           core
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oh, and A.I. was terrible.    spielberg, hang your head in shame, to think you were  capable of making the great 'close encounters of the third  kind' all those years ago, too... 
 
  
         
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           Paco
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Heh I saw Solaris on tv here some weeks ago. So slooow, but  fascinating with the Russian and all.
 
  Yesterday night/this morning I watched A.I, The Score and  Memento.
 
  Memento was fucking brilliant. Awesome movie. I like Edward  Norton, but The Score was a bit lacking. Good see though.  A.I - I liked it. There were some stupid shit in it, but  overall there was an eerie atmosphere to it. For example  when the couple first get to know the robot kid. Also, those  aliens were the Kamino from Episode2?? Very same, but  black.
 
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           beanium
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Saying this movie is the "worst movie ever" is just stupid.  I think people like to bash popular and hyped up movies just  so they can get a rise out of people, get attention, and  appear intelligent or anti-mainstream.
 
  If you don't like movies that are "too hollywood," don't see  summer blockbuster action movies!
 
  I have yet to see anyone supply a valid reason for thinking  it was a bad movie, other than the fact that it wasn't true  to Phillip K. Dick. 
 
  
         
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           Crocomire
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that's what i';m sayin, it's crap what theyre say,nm
 
  
         
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           Asche XL
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Beanium's right on the money.
 
  
         
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           tunemx
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Spielberg's MR was good for a one night entertainment. There  is a lot of cool ideas in it (the concept of precrime and  stuff), and a lot of annoying crap (future identifying,  advertising methods).
  I dont like when a movie has so many link to nowadays  multinational companies as this film. I kind of think  Spielberg only cares about money. Like his Lucas friend. And  it is sad. 
 
  
         
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           Xanatos
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I didn't say this was the worst movie ever, and I don't  agree, its far far from it.  But I can give you lots of  reasons why it was bad.  First of all, I didn't expect this  movie to be a "summer blockbuster action movie", I expected  something much more, and you're right, that was my mistake,  it was just a "summer blockbuster action movie".  A weak  plot, just eyecandy and some funny demolition man future  moments.  The movie had nothing to do with minority reports.   When the plot got too convoluted this guy just shoots the  guy so you know he's the bad guy and everything will be all  right when he's dead.  The movie to me seemed like every  other scene was picked out of another movie mad before it.   Some scenes were just bullshit, like the crazy "oracle, as I  call her" plant lady who kisses him and then starts  squeezing the plant while her hands bleed saying "all  species only wish to insure their survival", that was  fucking pointless, and there were other scenes like this  one.  I was entertained, especially during some special  effect scenes (like when you realize the road he's on when  he gets out of his car is vertical and not horizontal).  The  fight scenes were weak, and just Tom Cruise kicking the shit  out of 10 guys with weapons while they come at him one at a  time power-ranger style.  And of course, after he beats up  all the henchman he has to go into hand to hand combat with  the head policeman on top of that scaffold/crane thing in  the car factory designated futuristic fight area.  I can go  on, I don't really regret seeing the movie, I mean it was  worth $10 bucks, but that's about it.  I'm just giving you  some reasons people might be saying it was bad, since you  couldn't find any.
 
 
 
  
         
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           Laqeuro
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           tunemx
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hehe that robot factory thing was so similar to the Star  wars robot factory, i almost whined in the cinema :) 
 
  
         
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           Tasos
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I saw yesterday Minority Report in the cinema and I have to  say: IT SUCKED ASS BIG TIME!
 
  It reminded me of Alton Towers I went some weeks ago. Did  Spielberg film it in an amusement park???????
  Alos, someone please teach Tom Cruise a little bit of  acting... he's such a fuckin' amateur... 
 
  
         
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           skodt
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1.sooner or later you will all realise that humans share a  collective sub conscious.
 
  2.does the word hommage mean anything to anyone?
  3.everyone should drink pepsi
  4. I'm assuming that all this bitching means you can do  better.
  well i emplore thee! i assure you that most of you could not.
 
  
         
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           Tasos
             from Athens (Greece) on 2002-07-05 08:31 [#00297611]
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what does 'emplore' mean?
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           Salma Hayek
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