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offline Frag from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-09 00:48 [#00211571]
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Does anyone here own a gun? If so what kind do you have and
what do you use it for?

I've always been fascinated with guns, more specifically
those used in the first two world wars.

At securityarms.com you can basically find tons of photos of
guns, some are fairly interesting. I'm really interested in
Ceska Zbrojovka, a Czech company that mainly does pistols
for practice shooting competitions.

http://void.thewebmage.com/cz122.jpg



 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-09 00:49 [#00211573]
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why guns?


 

offline Frag from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-09 00:52 [#00211575]
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Why not?


 

offline pachi from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-09 00:53 [#00211577]
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the only gun i've used was a 12-gauge shotgun for skeet
shooting


 

offline Din from The bushes in your front yard. on 2002-05-09 01:00 [#00211586]
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I have no problems with guns, but I dont think that they
should be sold. I think they should only be issued to
military and gun clubs. the last thing we need is more guns
on the streets, even when people buy them for protection.


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-09 01:01 [#00211588]
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i have an automatic machine rifle (AG-3).

http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/0300/362.
htm



 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-09 01:01 [#00211589]
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i don't know, i just don't get it. i like art, and i like
good food, i like clean underwear and i know why i like
these things. i'm just wondering what it is about guns that
you like. to be fascinated with guns equates in my my mind
to being fascinated with a common tool, like the
screwdriver.


 

offline Din from The bushes in your front yard. on 2002-05-09 01:02 [#00211590]
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a screwdrive that kills people


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-09 01:04 [#00211592]
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...and, of course, they are tools designed to be able to
kill animals and people. that's a reason that i'm
disinterested in them.


 

offline forck_02lynix from brooklyn on 2002-05-09 01:04 [#00211593]
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i prefer knives and swords personally, more skill involved,
and guns are just too...yeehaw american for me.


 

offline Din from The bushes in your front yard. on 2002-05-09 01:05 [#00211594]
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guns for show I can deal with, but imagine how much safer
the world would be without them


 

offline Frag from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-09 01:08 [#00211598]
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That's what I'm talking about, if you're a gun
collector/competitive shooter/hunter. Not shooting people in
the face.


 

offline Frag from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-09 01:09 [#00211599]
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Phresch if that's really a gun you own, very nice. What do
you use it for, just to possess?


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-09 01:11 [#00211603]
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i know you aren't shooting people in the face, i wasn't
saying that, i just wonder what it is it you like about
them. guns turn me off seriously. it's like collecting
torture devices just to admire the craftmanship or
something... something about liking guns just doesn't fit.


 

offline Phresch from fucking Trondheim (Norway) on 2002-05-09 01:29 [#00211622]
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well, i'm in the army, "local defence" army or whatever you
call it, and every soldier gets an AG-3, and get to keep it
in your home. This is because, if anything happened, we
would be there first ready with full equipments and guns.
quick mobilization.

that was really crap english..hehe---


 

offline Zombiekev from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-05-09 02:39 [#00211659]
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i own a gun.
a few actually.

the first thing created by man was weapon.
anybody against the lawful owning of guns is a fool.



 

offline Frag from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-09 03:21 [#00211675]
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Zombiekev, which gunsssssss ahhh


 

offline AMinal from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-05-09 05:43 [#00211778]
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"anybody against the lawful owning of guns is a fool. "

i dont get people who are for guns... theres NO reason to
have them other than making u feel like a big man... and
that it fills ur childish need for handling something
powerful and cool looking

the fact is guns are designed to kill people
thats their job
oh ya.. target practice at the range is SOOOOOO much fun...
im sure america's gun-toting population can find other ways
to amuse themselves that dont also cause thousands of deaths
per year
and dont give me that "guns dont kill people, people kill
people" bullshit
guns make it a LOT easier for people to kill each other
so in the heat of an argument u reach for ur gun and BOOM
......... conflict resolved

so if people killed people, and guns had nothing to do with
it... then maybe everyone should have their own bombs...
dont worry, the murder rate wouldn't go up...
after all, people kill people
not bombs


 

offline jupitah from Minneapolis (United States) on 2002-05-09 06:07 [#00211792]
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I'm not for prohibition. I am very much for freedom. It is
not the law that I question, because we should be able to
question ourselves and take responsibility without having
the gov babysit us. What bothers me is the reason one would
want a gun in the first place. Living in fear? Insecurity?
Guns are designed for murder and to make a hobby out of
murerous weapons is sick. If you need protection, why not
tone it down? A electric phaser of some sort will render an
attacker unable to harm you and you don't have to take their
life, though I people who live in fear tend to bring
instances upon theirself.

Hunting is another issue. I advocate hunting, because I
feel better about the eating of animals that at least had a
cahnce at a good natural life rather than raising and
enslaving animals for our diet. But shouldn't hunting be
done with respect and strictly as a means of subsistence?
No body gives respect to the spirit of the animal, but
rather they coinsider hunting a sport! Think about it.
Hunting as a sport = killing animals as a means of
entertainment. Murder for fun.

I just think that most people don't take guns, hunting and
violence in general very seriously. These sick attitudes
are the reasons we have to have government control over
these things. Did our mothers give us freedom when we
display irresponsible behavior? No, and we are forced to
let our governments lay restrictions on our freedoms because
people can't take responsibility for their self and think
about issues seriously.

PLEASE, tell me: Why guns?


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-05-09 08:27 [#00211839]
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SWORDS PISS ON GUNS!
MUCH MORE OF A SKILL (ART FORM)


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 09:29 [#00211904]
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But you must be concerned when people who submit pictures
like that have the handle "the stalker"?

I prefer swords, I especially like the french foil and the
chinese butterfly swords. Very different to use, but both
are beautiful if used correctly.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-09 09:33 [#00211909]
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Ive shot about 23 different kinds of guns.... All sorts of
crazy ones, and yes I own 2 guns. But... its not really
worth discussing I think.


 

offline dingle berry from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-05-09 09:36 [#00211914]
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http://www.ninja-weapons.com/


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 09:37 [#00211915]
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Guns AND swords are for pussies. I use rocks to beat my
assailant's skulls in. Put that in your crack pipe and smoke
it fokkers!


 

offline diego from Belgium on 2002-05-09 09:47 [#00211929]
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"It is not the law that I question, because we should be
able to
question ourselves and take responsibility without having
the gov babysit us
"

goddamn I WANT the government to babysit you.
6 Billion people on the planet, you can't possibly expect
them all to be able to own a gun, ànd still behave.

If the gov. would (successfully!) babysit everyone, there
would be no need for owning a gun in the first place.

I want the government to protect me from all those
triggerhappy idiots out there.
Am I a square now ?


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 10:09 [#00211966]
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No Jonesy, swords are agentleman's weapon. They take years
to master and to see two accompolished fencers duel is like
an elaborate ballet.

Rocks are just for rioters :)


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 10:12 [#00211969]
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I only use my deadly skills and my swift limbs. Guns and
swords are just toys for boys who are ashamed to stroke
their genitals in public.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 10:13 [#00211970]
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Fair enough Ceri. Its my primordal instincts at work.

You remind me of someone but I can't think who. I know
everyone says you look like someone but...


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 10:14 [#00211972]
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What is the name of those crazy german fencers who fight
with real swords? I read an article on it once a few years
ago. They bascially cut the fuck out of each other in the
name of sport????????


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 10:19 [#00211976]
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Meho: I don't like those sad twats who just own swords like
some people own guns and flail them randomly. I fenced for
several years and never found it neccessary to own my own
sword.

I like the butterfly swords because of the need to
coordinate them takes a lot of skill and the art of having
to watch two blades rather tha one. I especially like one
manouever where you twirl, distracting the opponent with a
high elbow to the face (causing him to raise his hand)
leaving his stomach exposed to the other blade which is
hidden against the flat of your back.

Quernstone: I know who you're on about. It was always
fashionable to have facial scars from duel in German
universities circa 1900.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 10:19 [#00211978]
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My team leader is into all that recreatin shit. Dressing
like a Norman or a Saxon or whatever like someone out of
Monty Pythin and the Holy Grail and dicking around in a
field on a bank holiday. Fucking weirdos.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 10:21 [#00211980]
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Karl Marx used to have duels at university the crazy bitch.
I just used to sit in my room reading his stuff. Ever feel
like you cheated yourself?


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 10:23 [#00211981]
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Ceri: I know what you mean and I respect it. I was just
taking a piss at that weapons cult.

Jonesy: your team leader, from what you tell us about him
deserves to be drowned in toilet one day...


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 10:24 [#00211982]
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What, do you mean you wished you had fenced?

As to the recreation thing- yes those people are a bit odd.
I'd like to go to a medieval one and challenge some of them
to a "proper" sword fight. None of this knight in armour
bollocks.

Incidentally, the lighter types of sword, epe, foil, rapier
&etc. came into use as the invention of gunpowder had
stopped people wearing armour and it became all about speed
and skill rather than aimless hacking.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 10:28 [#00211983]
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Have you noticed how "Team leaders" seldom actually "lead"
and tend to push from the back instead. Driving you forward
like cattle rather than leading a charge?

Meho: Yeah, I'd hate to see swords outlawed like pistols
have been just because some sad 30 year old gimp who still
lives with his parents goes ojn a killing spree with a
imitation samuri sword he bought in a martial arts store.

The problem with swords compared to knives, nunchukas etc.
is that it is hard to disarm someone (even a relative
novice) if you yourself are unarmed.

If someone attacked me with knife I'd be confident I could
disarm them. But a sword? I'm not so sure- I'd probably run
away...


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-09 10:35 [#00211987]
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When im living on my own and some fucker tried to break into
my house with a weapon, or a gun which is quite possible, I
want to be able to shoot them down. No questions asked.
Protection. And dont say the world shouldnt have any guns, I
agree too in a way, but also if you take away a large group
of peoples weapons, the other people with weapons just got a
large mass scale advantage over you, get it?


 

offline Meho Krljic from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 10:40 [#00211994]
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You have a point, ref: "outlaw the guns and the only people
remaining armed are criminals".


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 10:42 [#00211998]
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tssss. Rubbish!

You have a very american perspective. I feel no need to
protect myself with a gun in England. Killing someone for
stepping into my house is way over the top mate.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 10:44 [#00212002]
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They have shootings here in Nottingham all the time. It must
be the Robin Hood factor or something. There's one nearly
every week. Apparently we have the highest violent crime
rate outside of London. I feel no need to carry a gun
however. The power of human reasoning is the most effective
weapon of all.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 10:56 [#00212006]
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I was thinking more about letting the fucker steal your
stuff then track him down with a few mates and torture the
fuck out of him for a week. Then see if he comes back to rob
you again. I doubt it.


 

offline Bob Mcbob on 2002-05-09 10:57 [#00212008]
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once again its left u to the bobster to support the other
side.

Guns are great! they make deaths quick- i would much rather
be killed quick with a gun then have a knife shoved into me,
and those electric catle prod things are supposedly more
painful than being shot in the arm or whatever. If it wasnt
for guns, the average person would have little hope of
defending them self from an attacker (where the heck do they
sell ninja swords these days?) and because they can be used
at a distance they can detter without having to shoot- just
showing a gun wil scare someone off from coming closer.
also, if there were no guns on tv then many films would be a
lot more boring.
i am not a trigger-happy gun enthusiast. i dont get 'high'
through using a gun. i agree that guns should not be sold to
maniacs or people who arent able to use them properly, but
the average person should at least have the right and the
choice to own and use a gun. there not just used for killing
people, they prevent crime.


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 10:58 [#00212009]
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Yeah, I don't see the need to kill someone just because they
stole my stuff. I'd rather "teach them a lesson" so perhaps
they'll not bother you again.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 10:59 [#00212012]
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I hate guns.

Despite what a lot of people claim, guns are not a
necessity. Its as simple as that.


 

offline Quernstone from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 11:05 [#00212018]
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A couple of years a go some little twats tried to rob my
sisters flat. Little did they know my sisters boyfriend was
in at the time( an Nottingham bouncer as it happens) he
ruffled their feathers a bit and they left with crap coming
out of their arses. They never came back and stopped hanging
around her block of flats.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-09 11:28 [#00212044]
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Quernstone::. so whos to say it goes differently? How many
people do you know, I doubt you know them all that dont or
do have guns and have or havent been robbed in their house,
or more? raped? killed? attempted murders and rapes? If you
take peoples guns away, like I said before those left with
them are going to have much more of an advantage with them.
Think about it.

Why is this a one level issue of, "I dont like guns,
therefore there is no need" rather that or you dont adress
the need or warrant for a firearm, so why even bother
posting on this topic?

We as a world society, have guns or similar weapons and
always will, how many countries would be totally for not
having guns? not 1 Im willing to bet, and even if there
were some, others would either not do it for the fact that
they want protection or be able to devestate the rest of the
non gun world.

It goes beyond, some ass breaking into your "flat" to try
and take some worthless cheap crap, and protecting your body
mind and spirit, not to mention possesions.

In the end, if your a not bothered by this or a pansy [or
both?] it just comes down to if your comfordable when you
sleep at night.. I know iam.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 11:29 [#00212047]
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Despite what a lot of people claim, guns are not a
necessity. Its as simple as that.


 

offline jonesy from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 11:32 [#00212052]
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I used to live in the same house as my landlord here. He
always left the back door open and was confident that no one
would break in. I now know why. He runs the security in all
the clubs here and has, let me say, a 'reputation'. We still
got our car nicked. We should have put a sign on our car
saying 'we live with...'


 

offline Ceri JC from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:36 [#00212062]
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You are not a "pansy" for not wanting a gun. It tends to be
insecure people who need a gun to feel powerful.

Jonesy: The way to not get your car nicked is to make it
undesirable. Look at my car- £700 value, it looks crap, it
*looks* as though it's in bad condition and it has an alarm
and crooklock and I park it in front of my house. Who's
going to knick that when there are far faster, nicer more
saleable cars with less security around?


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-09 11:37 [#00212064]
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jonesy: haha....

Taxidermist: well.. I guess you may be right, but not at the
same time... I mean... if all of a sudden the whole world
had NO guns, then sure your scenerio may work out great, but
until that may happen, it would be a grevious mistake to
take away some peoples guns and not others.


 

offline REFLEX from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-09 11:39 [#00212065]
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Ceri JC:: I think your confusing this with being a pansy and
being able to properly protect yourself no matter what, Its
not as if Im going to be playing with my gun and showin it
off and pulling my shit up on my arms showing my muscles to
see how manly iam or anything, if someone breaks into your
house and your there are you going to have no weapon, maybe
lets say a knife and he has a gun, do you know how many
people die everyear when a robber knows there is someone in
the house? Its not like it doesnt happen, I dunno but better
them than me.


 


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