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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:40 [#00212066]
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Ceri: your christian spirit has spoken: what if I have some possessions that i can not make undesirable? And what if people breaking into my appartment are just a bunch of crackheads looking for anything?
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 11:42 [#00212067]
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Our car wasn't great and was quite old. Kids who just want to go joyriding will nick anything if they're just going to have fun and then burn it out. They're the little bastards you have to watch out for cos there's loads of them.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:44 [#00212069]
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But you wouldn't shoot them, surely, so this does not contribute to our argument.
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-05-09 11:44 [#00212070]
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My grandmother ,who died sunday had one.(illegal) And now ,we are wondering what we're gonna do with it...
keep it? (What can WE do with a gun?) give it to the cops? (hi,this gun is illegal!) sell it? (definitely not!)
Any suggestions?
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:45 [#00212071]
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Sorry, what I said to Jonesy about my car was meant to be light hearted and jokey.
Reflex: I understand the need to protect yourself, but don't you agree that you do get *some* people who just have guns to fuck around and "look hard"- just as some people collect martial arts weapons for which they have no training. Just so they can fuck about and impress their friends.
BTW What I said about swords being more skillful than guns- what I meant is that whilst I accept that there is skill involved in guns (I'm a reasonable air pistol marksman), you could go on a "spree" with a gun with very little training, whereas you'd have to be a very good swordsman to be able to injure scores of people before you got stopped.
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Quernstone
from Padova (Italy) on 2002-05-09 11:50 [#00212075]
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Hammer the barrel flat and throw it into a river. Not very eco-friendly but at least it will be out of action.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:50 [#00212076]
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I would just take it to a police station and say you found it in an alley near your house.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:53 [#00212079]
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Oh, c'mon Ceri , I know you were kidding, I was just taking a piss but still trying to make a point. I know of a lot of examples of people breaking into people's houses with an intent to either kill the residents and take their possessions or (worse) torture them to find out about the valuables. It happens all the time over here. It fucking pisses me off. But you are right about a bunch of people just having guns to pose with and feel "masculine" or something. My first post on this thread was pissing on those people. In my country we have two kinds of gun licenses: one of these allows you to have a gun only at home: you are not allowed to take it into the street. That, kinda makes sense.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 11:53 [#00212080]
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Supreme: either destroy it and throw the remains into trash or give it to the cops.
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dingle berry
from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-05-09 11:55 [#00212081]
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blowguns are much better than swords or guns as they are silent and can be used from quite a distance!
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Bob Mcbob
on 2002-05-09 11:58 [#00212084]
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they are a paradox- if no one had guns no one would need guns...but since some people have them, we all need them. bearing in mind guns have been around for hundreds of years
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 11:58 [#00212085]
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The thing is, I only know of 1 person here (in the area where I live now and my home town) has a gun.
I probably know 500 people. Let's say that 1 in 500 people here have guns (the actual figure is nowhere near that high for where I live)
I think the low risk of this person breaking (or another with a gun) into my house with a gun is worth it compared to the thought of me having access to a gun when I might be angry or drunk.
I'm not sure about other countries- in america the frontier heritage practically demands you "protect your land" and it's something endemic in the culture.
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-05-09 12:07 [#00212096]
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yes...destroying will be the best....
(Why didn't I think of that???)
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:19 [#00212112]
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Instead of going "well, since everybody seems to own a gun, it would be pretty stupid for me not to have one just in case someone else decided to use one on me" I think we should go "you know, guns are pretty stupid. Maybe I shouldn't get a gun"
I would rather be shot than own a gun.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:21 [#00212116]
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I used to think the same way when I was younger, but, and don't get me wrong, I don't have a gun and am not planning of getting one, why should someone else be more valuable than me?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:32 [#00212132]
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Who said that?
If they feel the need to shoot me, I guess they have a pretty good reason to feel that way. Who am I to judge? They get to live with the consequences.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:33 [#00212133]
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You're kidding, right?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:34 [#00212134]
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No.
And don't go accusing me of being suicidal.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:35 [#00212138]
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I kind of have this silly idea that everything happens for a reason.
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dingle berry
from on a small plastic chair breat (Haiti) on 2002-05-09 12:35 [#00212139]
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yep but surely its better to have one yourself rather than leave them for all the murderers and wierdos out there
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:38 [#00212145]
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My old roomate was scary. He told me about how he once owned a gun and was really close to going out to Toronto to shoot his two exbest friends. He wanted to get a new gun because it made him fell all powerfull and stuff. His energy was horrible.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:39 [#00212148]
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Yeah, my next question would have been are you religious. But surely, put yourself in this situation: someone breaks into your house and shoots you to take your possessions. You cool with that?
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2002-05-09 12:44 [#00212153]
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Not cool with it... not going to be happy to die... but everything always seems to weave itself in an uncertain but definate direction, doesn't it? Does this make sence?
I am pretty tired right now... but have always felt this way.
I have always just been more confortable with this feeling or opinion than one where I felt the need to defend myself against a million unseen dangers.
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Meho Krljic
from Beograd (Yugoslavia) on 2002-05-09 12:48 [#00212158]
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Ah, OK, whatever works for you. I'm cool with it.
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jonesy
from Lisboa (Portugal) on 2002-05-09 12:48 [#00212159]
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A mate told me of a murder he knew happened that didn't get reported. These guys admitted it in front of him and everything. I doubt they were bullshitting from the kind of people they are. Scary.
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Sido Dyas
from a computer on 2002-05-09 14:51 [#00212270]
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YEEEEEHAAAAAAAWW!!!
Guns are for retards!!!
Real bad ass mofos like me don't need them.
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supreme
from Antwerp (Belgium) on 2002-05-09 15:44 [#00212372]
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I don't need a gun either,
I can kill people with my eyes!
MOEWAHAHAHAHAAAAA
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-09 20:08 [#00212739]
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id rather shoot someone than be shot.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 20:23 [#00212748]
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I used to arch, it was fun and I was pretty good, but the other people there were too weird so I gave up.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 20:25 [#00212752]
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"I'd rather pack the heat and not need it/than need it and not have it" - Pistol Pistol, D12.
True, brudda.
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EVOL
from a long time ago on 2002-05-09 20:37 [#00212763]
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very very intresting topic so far. i hate to say it but i agree with reflex this time. no ass kicking is gonna make anyone think twice about doin' whatever they want to you again for that. it'll make them want to come back and get revenge on your punk ass.
you are all missing the whole point, guns are to keep the govt from fucking you in the ass with their rule and power and authority if they ever try and get the military to turn against us like making a dictatorship or some shit. seriously i highly doubt anyone could even try and invade this shit with the gun laws the way they are.
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recycle
from Where is Phobiazero (Lincoln) (United States) on 2002-05-09 20:38 [#00212764]
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guns are for pussies.
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 20:56 [#00212778]
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"no ass kicking is gonna make anyone think twice about doin' whatever they want
to you again for that. it'll make them want to come back and get revenge on your punk ass. "
Maybe in a country where guns are prolific- but here a good kicking tends to sort the wee nippers out.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 21:11 [#00212789]
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an (older) friend of mine was in a bar here last week watching the football with some friends and 3 guys come up to them and say "we are in sheffield united's firm and there's 10 of us waiting downstairs for you" and one of my friends mates was acting weirdly cos he's got a mental problem so the tough guy was going to hit him and then the mental guy apologised stuck out his hand to shakes hands to which the other guy stuck his hand out and then did that trick of pulling his hand back and waving his hand on his nose (to which my friend nearly fainted). the other guy knew there was something wrong with him and decided to leave them along. But I mean, it was completely unprovoked, people just look for fights, its so stupid. completely unrelated however!
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AMinal
from Toronto (Canada) on 2002-05-09 21:50 [#00212827]
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u dont need guns for protection
if nobody had guns.... there would be nothing to protect urself against!
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 21:59 [#00212842]
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bigger people? =)
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Ceri JC
from Jefferson City (United States) on 2002-05-09 22:12 [#00212859]
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Peoplpe often try to start fights. Once someone jawed me without provocation. I just looked him in the eye and laughed. His friends started taking the piss out of him.
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evolume
from seattle (United States) on 2002-05-09 22:20 [#00212867]
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sig saur 45
i did a lot of shooting when i was in boy scouts. 12 guage shotguns. muzzle loaders. 22's. now i just like shooting my pistol now and then. it is quite invigorrating... envigorating.. invigorating?... uhh.. it gets me off.
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 22:29 [#00212874]
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a friend of mine was out clubbing and he's a tosser so he saw some guys in argentina shirts and hit one of them....cept my friends mates ran off and the other guys proceeded to beat the fuck out of him on the dancefloor till he past out. He'd got a broken nose, cheekbone, and these 2 huuge black eyes. served him right
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B3n
from Manchester (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 22:30 [#00212875]
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passed^
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astrid-gil-botn
from Londinium (United Kingdom) on 2002-05-09 22:34 [#00212876]
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there are nore shootings in hackney where i live than in the most violent parts of south africa - i have often heard gun shots from my window - thats scary shit - i don't even like arguing!!!
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-10 00:03 [#00213076]
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Whoever says there's no reason to have a gun except to feel like a big man is way off.
You can be have them for show/collecting, competition, hunting...And saying those are pointless is like trying to take coins and stamps away from hobbyists saying "Oh they're only for currency/postage."
If someone wants to have one just in case of an emergency, what's it to you? If you think he's incompetent enough to hurt someone accidentally, it's not going to be about anything you care about.
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Frag
from New Jersey (United States) on 2002-05-10 00:08 [#00213085]
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And...If you think that if no guns were around, there would be no threat...What is wrong with you?
I'm not saying you have the right to have guns for protection, but if you wake up and someone is holding a knife at you, you can sort of wish that guns were still legal...if they were outlawe.d
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-05-10 00:41 [#00213195]
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don't blame citizens for society.
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Zombiekev
from Ardmore (United States) on 2002-05-10 00:43 [#00213199]
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the first man made creation was a weapon, weapons are natural human instinct.
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xlr
from Boston (United States) on 2002-05-10 00:54 [#00213210]
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A lot of right-wing gun advocates in the united states want guns for another reason besides defense against intruders - they feel it is their right for the civilian population to own guns in case they need to overthrow a corrupt military/government.
Sounds a bit ridiculous to me.
I don't really believe in widespread gun ownership. But if it's so important to you, and you aren't a criminal, then I don't have a problem with someone owning a gun for defense.
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-10 01:53 [#00213262]
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LMAO! Apple made a gun!
http://www.urbanreflex.com/igun.html
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pachi
from yo momma (United States) on 2002-05-10 01:55 [#00213264]
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what's next, the Microsoft X-Rifle?
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REFLEX
from Edmonton, Alberta (Canada) on 2002-05-10 05:03 [#00213409]
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But thats so stupid, the majority of your comments here people are "what if" and "I wish" or "if there were no guns"..... this is a fantasy world, there are guns, there will be guns and either you have one or you dont.
I will have one, and I have 2 now... I dont touch them, I havent in years. And when Im on my own ill have one, I mean protection.
It all comes down to this, maybe some doods wont have guns, but MAYBE they will and then its all over. Why take that chance? And it shouldnt be a problem if your got good intentions.
By outlawing guns it will only make it worse, the large percentage of guns that criminals use are stolen or not registered, therefore ILLEGAL. So making them illegal will change nothing as far as criminal activity with them. It will just give them the advatage.
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wayout
from the street of crocodiles on 2002-05-10 05:05 [#00213412]
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i have a little pink glue gun i stole from my mom...does that count?
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