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epic the alien you're talking about and my alien are not the same alien ok?? don't act like they are the same alien they are different |
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I haven't really figured out what an idea is yet, but I suspect a point is contacts between contexts. And my point is what's your point |
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oh, drat. i should have written, "i've still no idea what an idea is," as the opening I still haven't an idea what an idea is, but I suspect that a point is contacts between contexts. And my point is: what's your point? brain-twister but also a brit of a tongue-twister two |
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he's in the ballpark |
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This is why I tend toward the substrate-dependent view. This imperative for self-organization and self-preservation in living systems goes all the way down: Every cell within a body maintains its own existence just as the body as a whole does. What’s more, unlike in a computer where you have this sharp distinction between hardware and software — between substrate and what “runs on” that substrate — in life, there isn’t such a sharp divide. Where does the mind-ware stop and the wetware start? There isn’t a clear answer. These, for me, are positive reasons to think that the substrate matters; a system that instantiates conscious experiences might have to be a system that cares about its persistence all the way down into its mechanisms, without some arbitrary cutoff. No, I can’t demonstrate that for certain. But it’s one interesting way in which living systems are different from computers, and it’s a way which helps me understand consciousness as it’s expressed in living systems. |
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The gene was nothing like what we've seen before. Many of the proteins that trigger or transmit nerve signals by allowing ions into or out of cells have six to 12 segments that pass through the cell membrane. Patapoutian found that the gene he was working on had 38 of these segments. The segments allowed the gene to spread the cell's membrane into a curved bowl-shaped depression. Pressure nearby on the membrane would flatten the bowl out and open a channel that allows ions to flow into the cell. The protein, which Patapoutian termed PIEZO1, has a close relative called PIEZO2. Combined, the proteins appear to be needed for touch sensitivity in vertebrates. (Oddly, organisms like flies and worms, which have nervous systems that share many features with those of vertebrates, don't seem to have these genes.) While temperature sensing was very complicated, the PIEZO picture was complex in that sensing strain was involved in a lot of things other than touch. Mice that lack the PIEZO2 gene die shortly after birth because they lose the ability to determine how inflated their lungs are. If the gene is deleted later in life, the animals can experience blood pressure problems, bladder problems, and digestive issues, all because they can no longer determine the stresses on their internal organs. In addition, PIEZO2 seems to be involved in proprioception, which is the ability to sense how our body parts are located and oriented without looking at them. Thus, on top of everything else, loss of the gene's activity causes severe balance and movement problems. so our sense of touch is actually our cells' sense of touch, summed up together. how satisfying |
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filing from The concept of mental imagery is also of interest. A mental image is defined as a “mental experience which occurs in the absence of stimulation, but which resembles the experience that occurs when a stimulus is actually present” [60]. In the sighted, mental images tend to be strongly visual in nature. It is known, for example, that “sighted subjects tend to visualize objects they examine by touch” [60]. There is, however, “compelling evidence that haptic mental imagery exists in congenitally blind people” [60]. Haptic mental images, however, appear to be different in nature than visual images. It seems, for example, that the early blind “have a greater ability to perceive vividly both the front and back of a palpated object at the same time” [60]. |
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did you read what i said about u in the logs. it wasnt that bad was it. you feel that same about me basicallly or at least thats how i imagined it |
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i think i said there was a bold line between us in terms of the likelihood of us being dupes really |
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the... logs? |
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yeah it wasnt that bad imo |
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tldr |
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me and you have never really clicked have we |
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im not being sarcastic when i say that i think this is mostly my fault. u can be an annoying NERD but i think a lot of what you say and talk about really isnt that bad but i just never really connect with it |
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i connect with bits of it |
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u are a bit of a cunt sometimes epic |
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you get what you give |
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when you look at the genesis of traffic accidents, it's rarely just one thing. it's not just a kid running out into the road, it's someone driving the wrong way down a one-way street as someone on the cell phone is looking at some guy with a t-shirt and then a kid runs out into the street and driver solves this but then smacks into the car going wrong way down the runway another r. a. wilson gem, pointing out that this is some f! shit. 1=1, 2=2*1=2, 3=3*2*1=6, 4=4*3*2*1=24, 5=120, 6=720, 7=5040, 8=40320 etc. first, let us note that 5!=120 is effectively dunbar's number. same as for attention as for relationships -- when a lot of shit is happening at once, your ability to juggle does not degrade linearly. you can handle 1, 2, easy as pie. 6, solid. 24, shit, fuck, that was close. 120 time to call the insurance company this being said, i do worry about the world, at the moment. the pandemic, the economy, inflation, refugee flow, disaster from climate crisis, china itching for taiwan. obvious calculus for russia to invade ukrane, likely correctly betting the US will hold back because if they didn't, china might go take taiwan because doing both at once would be Hard. and likely politically impossibru. north korea, their only thing is playing poker with tension, time to conspicuously drop a missile out of their pant leg fire sale on hypersonic missles buy now dolts. |
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the more thad bands i think of, the more thad bands i think of. i'm really just goofing about on vacation, but i noticed i actually do seem to have a technique, now that i've somehow gotten myself stuck there. making up far too many thad bands thad zeppelin no, we did that. in fact i do believe there was a bit of a thing about it the beach thads i think this one is kinda shit but it keeps popping up so i'm going to post it so it will kindly fuck off stop bothering me beach thads the yardthads? the thadbirds? i want this concept to work but neither of these work pink thad no, no, we did that too. the 60's feel pretty tapped, right now. let's try the 80s thad division mmm ehhh thad order no the soft thad? the thad cell no, crap. maybe i should try detroit then, the realization: it's like rummaging through a junk drawer. is this it? no. is that it? no. maybe over here? is that it? no, that's something we thought was it before. is it over there? no, we already tried there, but things have moved around a bit now and we have to look again to be sure or, less flip: association flow, one band bumps me into another. led zeppelin... cream... no, nothing to do with that one... the who? the thads? melts into nothing, that... the guess thads... probably too obscure then, eventually, what seems to be a hallmark of consciousness: you know what, i seem to be going in circles here, i should try somewhere else combine this with rigorous standards for what constitutes a strong, novel #thadband... which is, i guess, an extension of some deep trove of experience, like "what makes a good pad sound" |
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i feel like motown has some thad bands for me but so far haven't found any that make the cut |
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hacking #thadbands is rife with disappointment.... flava flav? thaddy thad! ...but, no, how do you know it's flava flav and not marky mark? you'd need to somehow reference public enemy, and, no, that doesn't work. thadlic enemy. public thaddemy. thaddy thad, i'm so sorry. you showed such promise, but now all i have to show for it is thaddy thad and the funky bunch |
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stuxnet is the shift in modern warfare that everyone has freaking missed. late 00's -- and i may gloss some details, but essentially: militaries generally have the sense to not connect their shit to the internet, especially when it comes to nuclear. however, humans are fuckups, and you can generally count on someone to screamingly break protocol via plugging in a personal USB key for their mp3s or porn or whatever on a particularly dull day at the nuclear facility. from there you get into why mr. robot is refreshingly accurate; the scene where eliot's psycho malware sister casually leaking USB keys all over a prison parking lot. the united states, with dubya's ok, literally air-dropped USB keys with malware over iran. but they didn't even need any of these to get in. the malware was precisely calibrated to hop, leap, lay low... until it detected precise strings indicating it was now living on a SCADA industrial control system running a nuclear centrifuge. just, you know, there's enough of a signature there that it could do nothing but hop about until it was where its developers wanted at that point, it actually did little obvious. it didn't just destroy shit; that would have telegraphed the pwning. instead, to extend the shelf life of the hack, they just introduced a slight wobble that caused the centrifuges to subtly accumulate damage and then just start breaking like god had cursed the machinery itself. the fundamental achievement was malware so targeted it could literally spread all over the world and do nothing until it finally found its way to its target. |
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it's not like anyone needed the united states to set the example -- oh, hey, they did it, so it's ok! -- it's more that no one had even conceived of handling things this way before stuxnet set iran's nuke program back a few years. last couple years, big in the news ~ ransomware is enriching reputable parties like north korea; the russian mafia thoroughly. last time russia invaded ukrane, they hit up a power plant with malware, and only some coding mistakes prevented a genuinely massive disaster -- and diligent operator intervention, minutes to spare, all that biden's bumble on a "well if it's just a minor incursion, i mean, ohhh, if you just invade a little i guess you're good..." -- i watched that press conference live, and in the same breath he was talking about Cyber This and Cyber That and i am just thinking: god dammit. No one wants a ground war, Stuxnet opened a new era, and Biden is saying if you keep it on the internet we won't drop the hard sanctions but no one hears it and presumes he's given putin clearance for a minor ground op |
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russia mysteriously took out one of their putin-bro malware groups last week or three; one of those things that simply can't be coincidence. they want to say they're doing shit to police malware, or it's a gift to america so it calms its ass down or someth the US gov is very boy-scout in cyber warfare and that really hamstrings them in some ways. russia will not hesitate to blow up a power plant with malware and potentially kill a bunch of people (see previous post; only luck averted this) but US spooks are hardcore barred from this sort of active aggression... except if justified by the specifically specified circumstances. so spy, infiltrate, but only strike back in very specific ways; telegraph your national loyalty. some of what biden said was "you've been punching us in the face for years now and we officially have the right to slap you" but i worry it won't be hard enough it'll just be a joke good time to patch your servers if you haven't recently |
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Well let's hope RicedOffLOL or whatever that unread deposit of beta-blurb remains unaffected. |
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i was really wondering what biden actually meant. but it kind of felt like: just keep going to undermine ukraine without open military action and we wont tackle you. is that an option so the nato cannot react because no international law or whatever is broken? found it interesting though that in the same german news broadcast they showed a map of former soviet union states being let into the nato one by one and how russia feels strategically threatened by this. never saw it that way and i thought it was alright to just put it on display for us westerners. that being said, i find the whole idea of "feeling threatened" and "strategic" utterly ridiculous. i mean the cold war has ended, hasnt it? what is to gain from all this nonsense? is it really worth potentially selling more gas while at the same time act as a ruthless villain and be despised of? or sanctioned for that matter? not to speak of all the ukrainian fates in the first place. |
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stux or not. germany was wise to get out of nuclear tech. by the end of this year we will have shut down the remaining three rectors btw. fingers crossed. hopefully the eu will not do as macron says and deem nuclear power plants as green tech to save on emission certificates. they are no better in producing energy than any other tech, but they are the only tech with potential for disaster. |
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*rectors = rectums gew=few |
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that's a good point. i should fix the yugo forums. as far as i got was determining that the only reasonable course of actions were to either take it out back and shoot it; start over. or rebuild it inside a docker container with a very tightly-clenched anus, because, i think i was saying something about some other board about this elsewhere, obsolete PHP. obviously it has to be the latter |
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reticulating splines |
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i was really wondering what biden actually meant he meant "if you keep it on the internet and off the ground we won't drop the hammer" but then he wanders off-message from cyber into minor and somewhere between 5-10 minutes later the press corp has had a think and realized what this could imply and then a wave of questions about, like, did you say a minor incursion was, like, tacitly permitted? no, no, he meant cyber, not minor. but now that it's become this direct he can't answer directly, and, look. here's the deal |
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also hi good to cu |
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somewhere between 5-10 minutes later the press corp has had a think and realized what this could imply and then a wave of questions about shit, this is actually a bit of a trip, if you put yourself in biden's shoes. he fumbled his words and at first everyone is scrambling as much as he is, but then, over three or four minutes, a gestalt brain seems to form. everyone is texting each other, their bosses, their colleagues, and under five minutes the collective consciousness of hundreds of newspeople has dredged up that this is provocatively ambiguous and then they all tell each other and the questions erupt like herpes can you imagine getting up to talk about geopolitical security and really being responsible and then, yes, you are now going toe-to-toe with a giant collective networked internet twitter brain poor bastard. |
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obviously, the best thing he could do is keep every press conference to under 20 minutes; have a team monitoring the chatter so someone can sound the alarm and tell him to leave if the collective brain is coalescing. |
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beto o'rourke would have skated this better. but count zero was still a better writer |
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"minor" now that´s so vague, that everyone can get away with anything really |
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when former chancellor schroeder agreed to building a gas pipeline with gazprom in 2000 i thought its a great idea to establish an economic connection to russia. the deeper the mutual dependency the lesser chance of aggression in the future. i dont know what has gotten out of hand now with ukranians new pipeline, but anyhow germany is on the verge of starting to produce it´s own gas from surplus wind energy as suggested by the green party (which was apparently attacked by russian propaganda) we won´t however be able to produce big amounts as we have had quite a stagation of builing new wind energy plants. the new government means to change that. now the question is if nato, eu or germany would decide to boycott russia in this crisis, would we still be able to get enough gas for heating and where would it come from? site crashed while i hit reply, lucky there is copy paste |
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>"minor" now that´s so vague, that everyone can get away with anything really sorry i guess it was still not direct enough -- he was saying, like "if it's a cyber incursion, like, a minor incursion" and the words cyber and minor are kind of close by and he was supposed to stop and cyber but he also said minor. then, like i said, the internet twitter brain chewed on it for about five minutes before everyone's fondleslabs lit up and latched onto it because it's more salacious than what he was actually supposed to say. helps no one except cable news profits really if nato had any balls they'd call an emergency vote and bring ukraine into the fold immediately. putin would make a bunch of noise but he doesn't want that much of a fight and from there some sort of face-saving flail gazprom, isn't that an autechre thing? |
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ah i see. much confusion about stumbling on words then. well probably helped putting this topic on everyones agenda. if it puts an end to this im in for nato inclusion of ukraine. they´ve been bullied long enough. i dont believe it would end up in a war either. why is this even necessary, fuck money and power |
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i'm so very glad i watched that press conference live. years of trump, then biden never does this all year, it's been so long. it felt like mainlining reality, especially after i saw what people opted to write about it. and what it says about their biases and priorities biden, stumbling on words, yeah, i can see it. really is a thing. but watching that whole thing in realtime, i could see him start to speak, stop, catch himself, and... god, man is racking his brain trying to suss out how to answer this shit. but, no, wait, he actually didn't catch himself, his mouth is still moving, oh whoops. force of habit for a politician i figure; mind is chewing on all sorts of things while mouth on autopilot. and it's age, partly -- both in the sense of sharpness but also in that he's almost an anachronism -- but biden's autopilot mouth is particularly shit. it is with great relief that i can say i see a reasonably sharp mind back there... working hard... as his mouth fucks shit up |
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still worlds better than trump. as if it needs to be said... but, with all the shit the dude is getting, can we remember? he's not trump. it could have been trump. shut up. stop whining |
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while i'm here, i want to share that whenever anyone says, "well that's a great question" in response to a question, i start to feel a bit patrick bateman. it was a shit question. it was shit. you say that to any question because a) you were taught it's good psychological manipulation juju to make the questioner feel acknowledged b) parroting a filler phrase buys you precious time to construct an answer in your hed a fact of life, i suppose |
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what i think would be simultaneously functional and hilarious would be biden pausing to think -- deeply -- before answering. saying, "oh, hmm... hmm..." thinking..... starting to sa- no, never mind, more thinking (and already we've used up hundreds of thousands of dollars of cable airtime, and that's a good start) and then, when he's finally thought it through at his own pace, a terse two-sentence answer; next question, linda from newsmax |
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you´re supposed to have instant access at every eventuality you may encounter without ever having to think about it. which is kind of impossible. unless you place an ai to answer all the questions for which the answers were prepared for. actually needing some time to fetch the information OR EVEN THINK about something yourself still defines a politician as a human being and a person. i would feel much safer if they´d just admit they have to think about it for a moment or a while or with their council and fellow folks. stumbling over the very thing you´re supposed to say however is a fail, if that is indeed what happened. a minor one though i hope ^^ |
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"" i mention in a post. then i get up; i'm going down stairs, and i think, with a giggle: it quite is, isn't it? the halting problem. it's quite halting.. as in arresting. we've recognized we're stumped. and that's the crux of it; how can we gather we're about stumped when the machine can't? i used to think the answer was the lack of rhythm, timing. but theoretically you could just simulate that as well, noep. now it hits me that the answer is probably mortality. turing machines are like santa's elves; it's never explained why they don't need to eat, sleep, or take a poop. it's not clear how they reproduce, or avoid being eaten by predators. they just run forever in this abstract bubble of math disconnected from a tiger eating your testicles because you took too long to decide whether to run or stand and make a ruckus and since the tiger is eating your testicles you will not have your own baby turing machines and after a lot of this we've developed a rather crisp sense of when overthinking things will get us killed, and i suppose the trick is that requires a vague understanding of what overthinking something is, e.g. knowing when to stop goodnite |
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weapons systems?! possibly we're going to have to go down there to find it #1 prepare an away team four seconds, that's all it takes to set up the central tensions of a star trek episode. not a bad sample actually but, watching TNG first time in ages, oh, lol, this episode, this episode is great... S01E21. the bird who is early, gets wormed. but, christ, that rapid-fire four seconds of... DANGEROUS THINGS? possibly! WE HAVE TO GO DOWN THERE go down there right now space. |
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What's the armament on The Lollipop? |
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the human brain is a tiny little thing that voraciously consumes energy and pumps out heat, quite literally like some bitcoin farm. competition for resources, and more importantly, competition between species... sparks a spiral to optimize your energy budget for maximum propagation of your species. the brain, overall, was clearly voted in as a win, but that thing utterly sucks juice and overheats the scalp and if you're evolving in africa like we were, you need to be careful with this. so -- continuing the CPU analogy -- the brain is always in "power saving" mode unless someone stabs you in the ass with a fork, or such. that, actually, it can be a frustrating thing, kind of german, really... or like the computer in star trek... like, you get precisely what you asked for. if you aren't detailed, you'll get a crap answer, because you haven't been specific enough to justify the calories a good answer would require. i have described consciousness as the serpentine belt of the mind. it delivers powers to critical subsystems as their power needs shift and spike. this gets into all sorts of things that, well... racial profiling, confirmation bias... people being stubborn and refusing to listen... you'd think with mcdonald's dropping the calorie hammer, the brain would just scale up but nope it ain't built that way anyways, that was a long preamble for ~my point~ i have spent so much time having a sit-down and asking my brain -- pestering it, even -- why did i think of that just then? where did that idea come from? but only for the good ones. then sometimes, there are good answers for where the good ones came from, and now, it's like, i just... get a tingle sometimes. i've had this for ages, but now i think i know what it is: i've bothered my brain so much it's gotten the hint, and that tingle is, "i think i might have one of those things you keep bothering me about" |
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what if every living soul on earth were just spiky black waves of pixels, encircling, bleeding, out a complex white froth that simultaneously represented 99% of what they all are at once and which knob do you turn to loop your signal back |
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