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would you classify timbaland's song as parody? |
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This is the version of the story for IDIOTS who visit RETARDED sites like ugh..*spits on floor*...ytmnd. |
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kinda, i mean Nelly Furtado? come on. naw, but fair use i'd say. |
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It'll be Nate Hills that is responsible for using that music, not Timbaland. |
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I have heard rumours about this stuff before...one of my industry insider friends just send me the new beats and shit from timbo for the new missy album..sounds fresh but familiar in places. |
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The original is 10000000x better anyway. |
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LOL |
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hahahahaa! |
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rip hop lols |
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fav+ & lol x 100000000 |
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I come up with amazing riffs very often while playing the guiter, and more than one of these I've found out that some band already used it.. it is very sad when thta happens. but it does happen. |
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This is an awesome discover, now I know I have to kill all the chip tune artist to cleanse the world of club-whore-dance-pop shit! |
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Not taking legal action??????? They would probably settle for 10 yatch's and fly girls meng ... |
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i guess they cant do legal action considering there was no copyright. timaland or whoever is involved should give some sort money or some nice gift to the dude who wrote the tune and another gift for the dude they sampled, at least to stay in media good books (if anyone besides internet geeks have actually noticed.. that is, which noone has, or noone cares, which is why the guy who wrote the song will probaly remain uncredited) |
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No copyright? Every work of art you create is automatically copyrighted. Check those links I put in here. There hasn't YET been a lawsuit because it won't be easy for a an individual to sue a huge record company. |
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hmm, perhaps i have no idea about copyright. i dunno whats gonna happen then, if anything. but either way, best of luck to the chiptunes dude. that said, all this is getting him publicity as well.. |
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it's not a particularly timbaland-ish production, though, is it? I don't see how this could be a complete coincidence. |
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Some goon that works for Timbaland will take the fall, an engineer or something. If it goes any further. I still think Timbaland is a genius though, loads of great producers use samples, there's a skill in finding the best ones. This whole thing was pretty lame of him, though. |
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though |
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tho |
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its not a coincidence! its exact same chiptunes synth with same melody, of course, with beats and occasional other synths. theres no denying that this is either just a sample or a damn good imitation.. people saying its coincidental or that its just borrowing are silly. the fact this producer took someone elses song without even asking or anything, and used it commercially without any credit or mention to the original artist. how can anyone say this is not wrong?? eh. |
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xactly. its exact same chip tunes synth with exact same melody. its either a sample or a damn good direct imitation. the fact this producer took someone elses work, without with approaching him or asking for permission, and used it commercially for his own work, without any mention or credit of the original artist... how can anyone say this is not wrong? ehh. just because of todays.. modern music industry, with the constant steal/borrowing/sampling in all sorts of songs. its almost as if this act can just blow by asif its nothing just because other people have done similiar things. bollocks. its quite obvious this guy stole the track and is making money from it.. he might have had some right intentions.. somewhere. that im not catching. but. from what i can gather. he made no effort to give any credit to the deserving artist. and besides, the original 2000 song is a wicked tune as far as chip tunes music goes. |
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please excuse ... double.. post. i had problems posting the first one and thought i lost it, so wrote out another very similar post. apologies! and gnight. |
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if someone doesn't want their music to be ripped off they need to learn how to copyright their shit. releasing music and not copyrighting it is pretty much asking for this to happen. now, i'm not saying it's right. i'm just saying that this is not a new concept and that you would think in this day and age people would use the systems set up before them. if someone samples my music and i didn't copyright it - i'm screwed. |
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Maybe you should learn a little bit more about what you are typing about? Copyright is automatic. You don't have to do anything. Upon creation and fixation in tangible form (for example a recording) you are automatically covered by copyright laws. |
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i don't thing that is true at all, braincande backwards. if the original author automatically has rights upon creation and "fixation in tangible form", in what way can they use this to prove, say in court, that they are the original creator? in this case, if the original artist did create this song and if you are correct about automatic copyright protection, then what's the big deal? if that happened to me, i'd be sure to have a lawyer ready. i'd LOVE to sue Timbaland and buy some new equipment. i guess my point is that if what you are saying is true, then this shouldn't be a big deal for the original creator, that they are protected and justice will be served. however, i don't think this is the case at all. |
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ah, i eat my words. http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-general.html#mywork thank you for educating me a little, braincande backwards. ;] |
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Because to sue people you have to take them through the court system. You have to have money to do that. The music company/artist will be able to tie you up in so much red tape that far from being able to by new equipment you would probably be bankrupt. Music is full of people ripping off other peoples ideas and not giving credit. Sometimes they fuck up badly and suffer, other times nothing at all happens. Look at when Wyclef ripped Enya for "Ready Or Not". Little did he know she had much more money then them and sued them good. That was a very similar instance. Clef just took an Enya song and put a beat on it. |
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Fugees sucked anyways hahaha. thanks. |
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Who cares? Hip-hop music has always been about ripping off other songs, so what's the big deal now? |
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wow what a fucking generic melody anyway, i think that's the theme music to 'wave man's level in mega man 4 |
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rock, dididudidu, ro-bot-rock, didididududu, etc. i guess it happens pretty often... : ( |
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I don't like either of them, do I win £5? |
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this is not the same as hiphop sampling |
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Well it kind of is. Alot of hip-hop music now a days, especially the pop crap, will use a sample from something really old or very obscure, basically something the target audience (teenagers) will probably not recognize. So it's like they're trying to pass the sample off as something they created themselves. So while I agree the original composer should receive some compensation, I don't see how this is different from most music really. |
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well, the song was found on the internet. it wouldnt have been hard at all to contact the guy or ask for permission considering his email wouldve been right next to the song download. which is one reason why its different compaired to sampling something really old or very obscure. |
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That generally doesn't happen in pop music though. If you listen to some Madvillain it's very obviously loops from obscure old 60s and 70s funk-jazz - mostly forgotten dudes like Yusef Lateef. There's no effort to disguise that it's sourced from scratchy old vinyl. This, on the other hand, was more like passing off the composition as his own. I wouldn't have guessed it was a rip off if I hadn't been told. |
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I think the whole enya thing was because the sample was uncredited. I think in the end she didn't sue them because they credited her in and added some gushing praise about how she was inspirational. Enya discovered that they weren't "gangsta" rappers and so was reluctant to sue since they weren't necessarily glorifing guns, hoes and whatever else. I read this the other day somewhere. |
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You might be right. I just remember an interview with Wyclef around the time when he was bitching about losing the royalties and the fact that "some kid" had passed him a CD with music he heard "on the internet" and he didn't realise it had been made by an established artist (like that should make a difference). |
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yusef is forgotten? he's awesome, and if I've heard of him, that usually means most people know about him. |
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as far as i know you have to register songs to have the copyright, is the only(?) legal way to establish that you wrote it first. |
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we've already been through this. |
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did you also check the ringtone that he was selling in 2005, that is the exact rip of the c64 one, except with a beat, nothing else added? have fun mates |
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it's only the most sure way in court to proof you first wrote it |
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and how do you propose he gets the money to sue an entity who has millions of dollars to throw at the best lawyers in us.a.land? |
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so where does the line between sampling and stealing get drawn? i would have said this was the latter but what do i know? |
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uncredited. timbaland should have credited janne suni for this one. therefore, rip! |
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i donr really see any other way. witnesses? your mom's word?, a timestamp on your mp3? a log that proves that you uploaded the tune to the server at some date? none of the above proves authorship. because there's no way to tell if the piece is the same. |
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get a cheap lawyer? not that hard really. it could take ages but could work. |
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