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"A disturbing indictment of our values and priorities"
 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-10 04:32 [#02029604]
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though undoubtedly it is also an inmate's surroundings that
add to the development of mental health issues.



 

offline SValx from United Kingdom on 2007-01-10 04:37 [#02029607]
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That's very true. I'm sure the inmates who get shit and
razors put in their food get pretty depressed.
With locking some prisoners in their rooms for so long, it's
almost as if they want to fuck them up as much as possible.
Fuck, can you imagine being locked in one room all day for
years, with nothing to do? If they weren't mentally ill
before, they definitely would be after that. And then, after
their prison sentence, they just.. release them. No
supported housing, no counselling. Nothing. Almost every
step of the way, the criminals are getting fucked up a
little bit more


 

offline Ezkerraldean from the lowest common denominator (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-10 04:43 [#02029608]
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what about open prisons? they are supposed to be half-way
houses you go to at the end of a long sentence.

but still, its probably not enough. the prison system
certainly needs reforming. maybe even the whole concept of
imprisonment.


 

offline SValx from United Kingdom on 2007-01-10 04:46 [#02029610]
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good point. but only a very small minority go there. Still,
that's part of their sentence. After their sentence is over,
the vast majority get no help at all.


 

offline mylittlesister from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2007-01-10 04:54 [#02029612]
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these open prisons have not escaped criticism either, or
perhaps more accurately, the running of these open prisons
has not escaped criticism.

bbc article


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-01-10 04:57 [#02029614]
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Prisons are in no way optimal. They are extremely expensive
for the government, and they don't really help that much.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-01-10 05:56 [#02029648]
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I have yet to see a better suggestion to deal with crime
than incarceration. Sure, there is the punishment element
that may or may not work. What do you do with people who
have a tenancy to want to act out antisocially? Not looking
at some of the minor crimes like breaking into cars and
shoplifting. What I mean is, what do you do with people who
have a history of assault, rape and murder? Where do you put
these people? Granted a lot of them are going to be crazy,
but how far do you go with psychological treatment before 1)
you end up robbing them of their ability to make a choice
[feeding the baby till it gets to fat so to speak] 2) you
discover that the person may not want treatment in the first
place 3) the dangerous people are put in a situation where
they are more likely to get access to people they are a
threat to sooner.

I think clockwork orange is a good movie to bring up here.
It discusses most of these issues.


 

offline DirtyPriest from Copenhagen (Denmark) on 2007-01-10 05:59 [#02029652]
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Good movie that. I think you should disginguish a lot more
between criminals. It's not like a criminal is a criminal.

People who did fraud for example, might be pretty normal
dudes, who could spend their time in prison doing something
for soceity, instead of just rotting away. Why are these
people put together with rapists and killers?


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-01-10 06:03 [#02029660]
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They aren't, if I am not mistaken. In a lot of countries
people like that just end up being put on probation or kept
under home arrest. Or they get put in minimum security
prisons.


 

offline Taxidermist from Black Grass on 2007-01-10 06:05 [#02029663]
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For the sake of this discussion, lets just say that when I
say criminal, I am talking about violent crime.


 

offline swears from junk sleep on 2007-01-10 07:32 [#02029700]
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DON'T BREAK THE FUCKING LAW, THEN.


 

offline Mr Brazil from Oh Joan, I love you so... on 2007-01-10 14:22 [#02029916]
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Welcome back, yeah?


 


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