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i think what he just tried to explain is that he doesn't really give a fuck who wins what elections, i think his issue with voting wasn't the choices on the ballot, it's his attachment to choices altogether...so why would he go to the trouble of voting blank? what kind of a point can a person who doesn't care make? |
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i dont think anybody with half a brain needs someone to do a nazi salute at a funeral to explain it to them |
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from what ive heard (in the guardian) chile is still "divided" over his legacy, so presumably some people think he wasnt that bad. so these guys did this to show that he was bad enough to deserve to be associated with the nazis. |
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and I said that he should care. I don't care if he thinks he shouldn't, I think he should. His reasons for not wanting to vote seem to be that he has no vested interest in the nation or something, but he probably has lots of interest in the nation; he is currently under its protection and will most likely continue to be so. He will most likely acquire some sort of property, but that he refuses to vote because he sees nothing to benefit him in it shows a rather uninformed attitude towards politics. The main problem today is people who only vote for themselves and their interests. He should also know that any country's, and especially the US', politics on environmental issues effect not only the country itself but all of the world. Same goes for.. is it called foreign politics in english? |
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yeah i was pretty shjocked reading uviol's post... uviol, i like you and generaly agree with you, but even if the political system is fucked up and you don't care, you just displayed some dangerous attitude, the kind of attitude that leads to nationalism pretty quickly, because it's common knowledge that nationalists (and/or extremists) ARE caring for their country/nation and so they'll be the only one voting/voicing thgeir opinions, and that's not a good idea... |
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thank you for spelling that out. uviol. if you don't vote, you're not counted at all. if you vote and spoil your vote, you're entered into the 100% of the electorate. for that very reason alone, it's worth voting. if all the people who don't vote in america spoiled their votes instead, there'd be a huge message sent out by preventing government from forming. if you don't like the choices, and how everyone who runs for president is essentially the same rich crook, then move elsewhere. |
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The main problem today is people who only vote for themselves and their interests. No, the main problem today is people who only vote for other peoples interests. |
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dude you are brilliant, i'm writing you in, come general election. |
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thx vote redrum #1 |
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how so? |
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oh, look at the demographic who votes republican, the typical republican elector has nothing to gain from republican policies. you should see how well senior citizens in my state are doing under our fabulous new donut-hole prescription drug program--it's not so fabulous, and who do you think created the policy? yeah, the people they voted for: republicans. |
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It is good for young child-boys to be politically active. Would you rather they just smoked skunk, drank beer, and did sod all? |
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do you like child boys? |
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I'm sure most of them still somehow believe they're voting for their own benefit. The fastest rising party here in norway is a silly populist party that just say they'll make everything better for everyone (they even said something a while back about taking out money of the oil fund thingie we've got and giving everyone a free vacation or something).. people think "oh, this is good for me," and then they vote for them, but most people forget that these money are saved up for a reason; there isn't an unlimited amount of oil, and it is one of our nations main incomes, so better save the money for a rainy day. People don't even stop to think whether or not this will affect their children or in the very least the next generations! Well, as long as it benefits me right now, it's ok, I guess. |
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No it isn't, because worse than the self interested concerns of the adults with their taxes and what not, teenagers get into far right politics because of shitty black metal bands, or the extreme left because that's what cool kids do to freak out the squares. It's like pop music, it's just another badge on their schoolbag. I don't know why anyone takes their issues or voices seriously. Kids should be seen and not heard. Preferably up a chimney or in a workhouse. |
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Thanks for the thoughts! Mimi sort of summed up what I was saying, only it's not quite as apathetic as that. Redrum, you said that if I feel that all the candidates are assholes, I should move elsewhere. OK, but first of all, I'm not that disenchanted. Second, even if I was, I would vote to make things better.. not walk away on some stubborn, high-minded ideological grounds. I'm not unhappy with all of the candidates per se, which would certainly warrant a 'non-vote'/spoiled vote or a vote for a hopelessly outmatched underdog. If I had such convictions, I would act on them. DM, you said, I think, that I am basically taking my citizenship for granted when I say I have no 'vested interest'. I'm very grateful for the protection the nation provides me, and I'm thankful for my citizenship. That's a gift, and as of now I'm satisfied with that. Is that selfish interest? Why should I vote for things I have no opinion about, thereby influencing outcomes for others who DO have vested interests in these matters? I'd say giving them more of a say in what matters to THEM is anything but selfish. E-man suggested I vote to prevent nationalism. Great point, but my reason for abstaining is not because I am so disgusted with the nation, it's just the opposite: I'm satisfied with it. You can label it 'complacency,' I suppose.. I call it not fixing something that ain't broke (to use a cliche..). My complaint was not about that, it was about the relentless prodding coming from every end of the society to vote, just.. well, 'because'! Voting is for people with strong convictictions.. or it *should be*. So.. millions of misinformed teenagers voting for a candidate that MTV told them to is OK then, simply because it's taking part in the democratic process? I don't see why that's any better than leaving them be, unless you have an agenda to promote. I am not throwing up my hands in apathy, I am simply ackowledging the fact that I, personally, have no reason to vote, and refuse to be guilted |
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... into doing so by those who do. (kind of ruined the effect, huh?) |
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i totally understand and somewhat agree with you, uviol. for what its worth. (nothing) |
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ok, so you either just don't care or aren't bothered. i can't figure that one out, considering the state of your current government, but fair enough, each to their own etc |
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Ireland is the only place in the world with no poisonous snakes, with Iceland. |
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It was Saint someone or other, he chased them off, or possibly up a mountain. That and that there weren't any there anyway. But would he have been so quick to chase away American foreign policy, Mr Happy McShopper Noam Pinter. |
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It sounds like apathy and a touch of ignorance of how the daft American voting system actually works to me. I like some of uviols tracks though. |
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you forget antarctica, svalbard, falklands, novaya zemlya, south georgia, kerguelen, franz josef land, greenland, nunavut |
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south georgia? cool. anyway most of the places you mention don't even have snakes! nobody likes a smart alec. :D |
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ireland has no poisonous snakes, but it has the irish to take their place. |
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got bit did you? |
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yeah, i don't quite get it either.. maybe it's hopelessness, i don't know. another thing i don't get is why the president, since he's the leader of the country, isn't obliged to regularly participate in debates and the like in either of the houses of government. the most powerful man in the land doesn't have to answer questions from elected officials :/ to me it sounds pretty weak, democratically speaking |
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It is not apathy. If I had an opinion that that I felt was more than a weak bias, I would act on it. Additionally, I don't trust my own opinions. A lack of empathy, a complete failure to see others' points of view, is the core of most of America's political problems, in my estimation. People, by and large, align themselves with what's convenient. Peer pressure, laziness, a candidate's physical appearance, upbringing, rebellion against upbringing, etc are variables that influence votes as much as stances on any given 'issue.' The (essentially) two party system makes it even easier to channel these peripheral factors and translate them into votes. There's no compromise.. the other party becomes the enemy, case closed. Admittedly, when you take a position like this, it's easy to fall into a dismissive mindset.. to say 'fuck it all.' I'm sure that's how my comments come across, but that wasn't my intent. |
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'noam pinter' sounds like something you'd shout as the bar shuts |
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congress probably legislated themselves out of having to deal with that, it's cruel and unusual punishment for people to have to listen to him open his stupid mouth |
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ha |
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I particularly like it when middle class kids in their teens who've led a very sheltered existence, never worked a job in their life, or experienced even a fraction of the things they will over the next few years, think they know it all so much better than everyone else. I also think the notion of lowering the voting age to 16 is great. I don't know any 18 year olds who are absolutely fucking clueless about politics, so I'm sure all 16 year olds would be equally well-informed. I almost like it as much as when feminists say, "If women ruled the world, there wouldn't be any wars or social injustices." |
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Hitler Youth DJ Battle Team in training for DMC 2007. Disabilists watch out! |
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Don't you feel that you have a responsibility to check out what the different candidates stand for? I mean..you, personally, can make an impact on how the worlds mightiest nation is run! That's not a "just because," that's a very weighty reason along with the fact that a democracy isn't a democracy unless a certain percentage of the population actually votes! There's also the protection, which you aren't given for free; it is indeed your civil duty to inform yourself about your choices in exchange for that protection! While we're on this issue, I'm curious.. do you all see democracy as the highest form of government? Or was that japanese sounding guy correct in that it is the culmination of political history? |
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hahahah! "d-dschzzizsch-deeeutsch-chi-chi-chi-chi-land, deeeiiiiouuuuuwww de-de-deutschland über a-a-a-a-alles" |
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Don't worry. Politically active young people are nearly an extinct species. Things will soon be under control, and the last of the pesky blighters will shortly be converted to a lifetime passion for Big Brother, 'Heat' Magazine, Jade Goodie, and mobile phone ringtones. |
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You make several good points in your last post, thanks for your reply. I understand that a democracy needs voting citizens to keep it afloat- And yes, I have the responsibility, to a certain extent, to look into the candidates because voting does change the nation, and subsequently the world. I am not one of those that says 'well, my vote doesn't matter,' because it's just the opposite. I know it does matter, so I'm not going to throw it away on things I'm not convicted about. Why should the nation force me to render a meaningless, hollow opinion? I am either impartial or undecided, at best, about many of the salient issues that have been hot topics over the past few years. Why should those who stand somewhere in the middle be forced to take a side, and be chastised for being apathetic or fence-sitters if they don't? |
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Would you perhaps vote if public information about political parties' agendas was more prominent? If you got the information you needed without really having to do too much research? |
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That would be nice, for sure.. but my complaint was not about the inconvenience of having to do a little research, it was about being pressured to vote when I have been bombarded with different politicians' views through the media and still do not have an opinion. |
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I must say I find your attitude a bit odd, and I'm not sure what to make of it, but I see I probably can't do much here. I still urge you to vote blank next time, though, if not for yourself do it for this kitten |
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"If a cute kitten can't make people vote, I give up" - Blaise Pascal |
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Yeah, I suppose it's hard to try and come up with an opinion just so I can vote.. it's as if there's no course of action for that type of person. Maybe it's not a concern because most people, if they try hard enough, or hang around a certain social circle long enough, come up with an opinion eventually. But, I'll probably vote in the 2008 election.. blank if necessary. You've made a valid point. Great Pascal quote, btw :) |
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you can't hail downwards like that |
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I don't vote. No political party represents my ideals. |
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I don't find any I agree with on more than a few points either, but I still vote, I just vote blank. |
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Maybe it's a dis- a bit like a thumbs down? |
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he got pwned |
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I don't know what hail downwards means |
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i think big is commenting on the downward angle of the idiots' salute in the original picture. |
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haha, so he is.. I was racking my brain trying to figure out how I 'hailed downwards' in my last post. thanks buddy. |
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