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blaim bush, not the soliders |
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Thanks for saving me the trouble. ~ I'm sick of topics on this board like this. Any intelligent discussion going on? No, just you twats parading your knowledge of semantics around to make sure you look like more of an internet asshole than everyone else. Well done, I must say. |
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who ever thinks that this is wrong, should join the military!! how much innocent people died in the world trade center? i don't like war but sometimes, people ask for it!! the more people complain about this, the more the enemy will see how soft we are and try to take advantage of it!! it shows a sign of weakness!! Remember that they were celebrating the destruction of the towers, etc... so, USA, stay strong!!! |
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Wow. You're not helping things at all. I would write about how much I disagree with you and why I think you are seriously in need of a good talking-to, but I am tired and I doubt it would change anything anyway. "sometimes, people ask for it!!" I'll just say this. Do you think the 21 civilians who were killed today by their own countrymen "asked for it"? |
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Sarcasm? |
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I don't know if you're being sarcastic or not, but I AM IN LOVE WITH YOU NOW. By the way, you're going to get it. You're going to be riped to pieces soon. Good luck. |
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That was for mimi's pro-American rhetoric. |
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I hope/wish he was trying to be funny. |
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ohh ya it's actually youtuber fordtuff's pro-american rhetoric |
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Haha, you had me there, sir. I was dreading the possibility that someone that inane had stumbled onto this board. Cheers. |
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well, obviously someone has |
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Way to be a dick. You fit in well here. |
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I don't think they're insane. I don't think they're jaded. I just think they've consciously conditioned themselves to not see these people as equal. |
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Well you were pretty patronising to them, so are you surprised they retorted? |
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Wow, the British soldiers beating kids vid is waaaaay worse. If those were American soldiers that vid would have 3000 + comments. Goes to show people aren't really concerned about the children. They are concerned with the politics and their own inner grudge match with America. |
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eh the british soldiers beating kids got lots of attention and debate and negative exposure, just as much as the americans doing stuff like that, but maybe american media didn't focus on it too much? and how the fuck does any of this show that people aren't concerned about the children? Without the children, the video would be a soldier holding a bottle out of the back of the truck; we are reacting because he is taunting the children. |
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I never saw the video mentioned or shown anywhere else but youtube. I guess American media doesn't concentrate on what everyone else does, which I like. |
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why do you like that? just curious. |
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I guess because what's going on everywhere else in the world (usually) doesn't affect me as much as what's going on here. I can find out online what's happening in the rest of the world, but I like sitting down to watch the news and seeing what's going on in my own region. I know it makes me sound like a self-centered American bastard, but that's what I like. |
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I guess what stands out to me most is the American soldier vid has 2306 comments and the Brit soldier vid has 17 comments. |
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That lost the effect; thought this was still page 1. I failed. |
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so you don't care that soldiers were beating up kids? |
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the difference probably lies in the fact that this vid seems to have originated on youtube while the other one started out on newspaper sites instead. Also, the british soldiers vid has 397 comments. Another fun fact is that maybe 50% of the comments on the american vid is americans saying you shouldn't believe all soldiers or all americans are "like that" or somehow trying to justify the soldiers actions. You people need to stop thinking people are attacking you personally and fucking do something about your nations assholes. |
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i just want a corps ;) |
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. The kids getting a beating was wrong, but I don't think it had the same degree of shock as the water bottle incident, even though the beating inflicted more pain than getting out of breath running. I wouldn't try to degrade another human being by making them run for water, that to me seems very sadistic. I would, however, give someone a kicking for throwing rocks at me. Perhaps not such a "ganging up" one, or to the same "kicking in the nuts while they're down" level of severity, or indeed against children so young, but it's a bit more understandable to me. I'd also say that regardless of my age, if I was throwing rocks at occupying forces, I'd consider anything other than a bullet in the head as getting off lightly. As to the incidence being ignored. Not at all, I remember hearing about this several times on the news/in papers. It's just that it was probably reported more here in Britain as it's British troops. The waterbottle incident wasn't something I was aware of, because it wasn't reported half as much here. I mean, if they reported every attrocity by American troops, we'd have no time on telly for Corrie. |
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I can't do something about assholes in my daily life let alone something about my nations assholes. |
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yes, because we know the american troops are all evil and do this type of thing on a daily basis are you really that daft? |
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do you vote? |
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is that what he said? |
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I vote, but its a silly thing to think that voting democrat is really going to make any real changes. It might lessen things a bit, but there is so much corruption where do you begin? You have to raise millions to even run for president. That's not good. That you have to accept shit loads of money from god knows who in order to gain power. That's just on the surface. God knows what is really going on. I think most Americans that have a modicum of intelligence feel emasculated by the whole system and would rather scrap it all and start over again. |
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no not democrat not republican get some of the alternatives going they aren't real alternatives right now, but hey! could that be because no-one is voting for them because they aren't real alternatives? |
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Well, one would imagine that given there are more than ten time more American troops there than British ones, even if the American troops were of stiffer moral fibre than their British equivalents and indulged in only half as many of this sort of act, per capita, there would still be more than five times as many attrocities commited by American soliders than British ones. Once you couple this with the fact that far more American troops carry DV cameras than British ones and hence capture this sort of incident on film more often, it's hardly suprising there are more videos of the Americans behaving badly than the British. That doesn't make the British wrong-doing any worse. It is simply one of several reasons why not every American incident like this (which, for whatever reason, there are undeniably vastly more of) makes our national news. As an aside: I don't get my knickers in a twist over the British video, because the soldiers in it do not represent me: People can criticise them all they like, it doesn't bother me in the least. What I don't understand is why you feel this criticism of your country's troops actions upsets you so much. If you were in favour of their behaviour, or someone had said, "all Americans do this, all the time." I could understand it. |
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did that stuff have consequences for the british troops? I think the medias kind of found something else to be interested in before we heard the conclusion... |
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If anything happened, I've not heard it. You can't see any faces in the videos, so I wouldn't hold my breath. |
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they should have some kind of collective punishment where for each time someone did something stupid and they couldn't find out who it was they'd just give all the soldiers in the region an electric shock or two |
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Maybe its cause the stupid fat American European inside joke is not a secret anymore and its gotten old. Its made me defensive and reflexive in the face of hyper criticism of Americans by Europeans cause it always comes off as veiled attempt at reinforcing these archetypes. You mention voting for a different party. Well, I agree, but again these parties are operating under the same rule book. Funding. Doing the bidding of others. Money is the root of all evil my friend. There is also that "a vote for Nader is a vote for Bush" conundrum. |
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I think any real "punishment" as such would be unjust as there would be soldiers there who not only played no part, but didn't know who did it. I think a better way of dealing with it (or encouraging those who know who it was to come forward with info) would be a withdrawal of priviliges- no beer for a week, hold letters from home back for a week, etc. Even then, that'd suck a bit. I used to hate collective punishment in school as I'd always own up before it got to that stage if it was threatened, whereas few others seemed to have such scruples and we were routinely punished for others actions. Bogala: I had an American friend to stay last week; she was at least as intelligent as I am and was as skinny as a rake. I think the perception that all Europeans think all Americans are fat and stupid, or indeed that we even dislike Americans as a whole is an innacurate one. I also think comically obese, pigshit-thick American civilians is a seperate issue to that of brutality and human rights infringements by their armed forces. |
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yeah, but I was thinking even more "alternative" imagine if you could get someone who wouldn't fall victim to the political systems ins and outs enough votes to get them in anyway.. it's not very likely, but imagine... I don't know what you mean about the stupid fat american european inside joke. |
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they volunteered for war; they deserve some shock treatment even if they "didn't do anything." |
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I laugh at obese and stupid people no matter where they're from. I also laugh at dwarves when I see them in films. |
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Hey, they are dwarves. Leave alone. Really, if you don't talk shit on early 30 year old bald men that droppped out of college I'm cool with you. Just don't approach that subject. |
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I just imagined a 30 year old bald man dropping out of a college the college was floating in mid-air |
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Exactly how it happened. It was after exiting the human metaphors building. |
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Genuine LOL at that. |
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I may be (hold your breath) psychic! |
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(exhale) |
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