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I think you've been reading too many books. You watch some shitty clip on YouTube and just believe it because you hate Bush. I hate Bush too but prefer to use common sense, not rely on You Tube's Conspiracy Theories For Dummies. How about giving tangible reasons as to why 9/11 was fabricated and how it was achieved? |
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oh for fuck sake do some research im busy. |
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I've watched it all before and didn't believe any of it. If you're that gullible more fool you. |
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didn't believe any of it.? just shows your mentality toward this subject.? so your one of the few that doesn't believe the towers collapsed ay!! go to new york if you need absolute proof...but hey it could all be a simulation or a dream. who knows?..... some people want justice if that is possible. |
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It's just so lazy isn't it. People watching the conspiracy theories on You Tube, forgetting everything about it to the extent they cannot even regurgitate 10% of the findings, then expecting people to believe what they believe even though you can't even remember that you believed in in the first place. |
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watch it yourself!!! not just one video ,as many as you can. i know tons information of which seem to me to be the facts. but you have to have an open mind i went into the many videos on youtube google ect with an open mind. its very important. your too lazy to open your mind. |
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Ive watched dozens of 9/11 conspiracy theory videos and came to the conclusion it was all rubbish - precisely because I DO have an open mind. If you have anything new to reveal, reveal it, but you'll have to do better than badly oversized images of plane undercarriages and what looks like explosive charges emanating from the building during its collapse. They are not conclusive and I have watched equal amounts of footage disproving the conspiracy theories with far more sensible evidence. Both for and against, people can speak very convincingly when they have their own motives, of which it's likely you know nothing. Propaganda is propaganda at the end of the day. If you're ant-bush and anti-war it's very easy to sway the opinion of people with completely unverified stories about "drafted documents" and "think tanks". You can read anything you want into anything depending on the stance you want to take. Where's YOUR evidence such documents exist other than the word of a smartly dressed man in a studio that looks and sounds convincing. Like I said, it's conspiracy theories for dummies, makes great TV, boosts ratings - all at your expense. You're getting double-fucked by Bush, the media and the media again. |
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^^^ dude talkin sense |
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i cant help you barcode sorry, i said nothing of explosives under planes your fighting your own mind. peace + good luck :) |
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i'm sure one day we will find out why those building fell so fast into there own footprint and why wtc7 just decided to go bye bye too. |
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i don't remember saying anything about explosives under planes either :( |
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sorry only half read your post...im a bit busy juggling stuff i shouldn't even be on here. |
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What I DON"T understand is why do they NEED to blow up the buildings after the planes hit the towers? Oh, I wasn't worried about the terrorists, but now that the buildings FELL. WELL, now I'm scared shitless. Giant jumbo airplanes flying top speed into skyscrapers I could deal with. Those HIRED ACTORS we call Arab terrorists seemed so innocuous until the building actually fell. BTW, Fluoride cured my cavities. I hate the thought of it giving me cancer. Its either take that risk or let my teeth fall out. |
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Fuck the SAT's they should just ask people if they believe these stupid theories. If they do, community college for you |
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Yes, even more preposterous the likelihood that America could find their own willing suicide pilots to fly into the buildings - unless of course the planes were flown via remote control. Maybe they found a coupe of hundred willing suicide passengers too. |
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whether or not there were explosives in the towers (except for tower 7 which almost certainly did because of its high concentration of security service and governmental command centers) we can easily see how American overseas 'assets' - Osama and Saddam - have come to bite the hand that once fed them... Again, it was only inevitable that a certain comeuppance was coming.. dirty money will lead to dirty bombs... the era of terrorism is the era of the democratization of weapons markets, and the law of karma operates also on the level of international relations... violence breeds violence, that's something for mankind yet to learn -- until then, i wouldn't put anything past the rulers of this earth. |
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"Ive watched dozens of 9/11 conspiracy theory videos and came to the conclusion it was all rubbish - precisely because I DO have an open mind. " this is the fallacy i see a lot of people fall victim to. You think your a skeptic, so you watch a 9/11 conspiracy video to open your mind because you may or not be skeptical of the official version of events. Then you become overly analytical of the conspiracy perspective, which is fine, but what seems to happen to a lot of people (yourself maybe included) is that you naturally just bounce back to thinking 'well if the conspiracy theories ive seen are bullshit than i must defend the official story because thats more likely'. The official story is just as much as a conspiracy theory as the 'conspiracy theories'. I agree some of the more outrageous conspiracies are pretty silly and tin foily, but not any more silly than 19 arabs who were directed from a man from a cave could cause norad to stand down 4 separate times and allow extremely restricted airspace to be penetrated by commercial airliners 3 steel framed buildings collapsed all on one day for the first time in history from fire. Barcode has a pro synchronicity bias about the day of 9/11, which is fine that over 100 coincidences and implausibilities could happen at the same time. |
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Barcode, have you seen the videos 9/11 press for Truth and Improbable Collapse? i personally think these are the most airtight and professionally argued cases for the alternate version of the events of 9/11. I highly recommend them both. 9/11 press for truth is basically a timeline of events leading up to the 9/11 commission and how the administration stonewalled any proper investigation for almost a year. Its from the perspective of 3 9/11 widows and pretty heart wrenching. watch here |
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what sucks is like... what's knowing any of this going to change? |
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rad smiles, i think at the very least knowing this information and spreading it will make it harder for such an event to trick so many people again. It may prime people and make them more skeptical of the official version of events of major attacks like this. Just being knowledge about the idea of false flag attacks can help prevent a brash reaction to an attack in the future. I mean it took what 40 years for the government to admit the gulf of tonkin never happened? Most people still think the gulf of tonkin was a real act of aggression by the Vietnamese even though the government has declassified the document admitting it was basically made up. People on the internet and wheverever else possible need to do the job that the mainstream media isnt doing and spread these known facts far and wide. I really think if it wasnt for the internet and its mobilizing and information spreading power, the Bush administration would have gotten away with a lot more criminal activity than it actually has in the last 8 years |
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(btw is it google ads that are putting this John mcain for president ad on xltronic? its kind of disturbing thing imo) |
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people will not rest until justice is done. |
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How about answering some of my questions? Assuming it's a conspiracy, did the Americans use their own suicide pilots? Did the planes contain real passengers or were they empty? How can you verify the comments made by the people on said videos? How do you know any images they used weren't tampered with? How can you prove any of the documentation they refer to is legitimate? Why not read this website: Plenty of food for thought there. Do I trust Bush? No. Do I trust conspiracy theories? No. You cannot possibly verify these claims. For every theory there is a counter theory. If you support Bush you will claim conspiracy theories are bullshit and find evidence to back it up. If you are against Bush you will cobble together conspiracy theories to counter the government claims. If you're like me, you will take a step back, look at the bigger picture and conclude that there is no conclusive evidence that American attacked itself and killed 3,000 of its own citizens. You can find 10,000 misnomas and contradictions from everything that was reported that day. You can pick up on any news report and make claims to the contrary, let alone the mine of information firing in all directions from an event as big as 9/11. But people make mistakes, experts are often wrong, eye witnesses make shit up. People have agendas that you haven't a clue about - both pro-bush and anti-bush. Watching a website and believing everything that is said on it is foolhardy and naive in the extreme, just as watching any propaganda is. |
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but when you use words like "their own" and "attacked itself", you must remember that the ethnicity or nationality of the players is not that relevant. The question is motivation and who's using whom. Where did they get the funding, resources, training, protection, cooperation that they needed? It is quite conceivable that a network of Pakistani and/or Israeli interest was involved, in addition to Saudi money and American training. Today, Osama bin Laden most probably lives in some border community in Pakistan, protected by interests loosely allied with USA... Makes you wonder, that's all. But I agree, it's not good to buy into the "truth" movement (what an unfortunate phrase!) as a kind of new saviour religion. Many dangerous political movements (nazism, larouchism) start out as conspiracy cults. |
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At the end of the day we create the society we want to live in. George W Bush does not come from Mars (arguably), he comes from Americas democratic value system - and was even voted back in subsequent to 9/11. If you want honest, civilised, ethical leaders then live honest, civilised ethical lives. Unfortunately, society gets what it asks for. Ask yourself, what are you doing to change anything? |
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don't feed the troll |
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but you'll starve to death!? |
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"How about answering some of my questions? Assuming it's a conspiracy, did the Americans use their own suicide pilots? Did the planes contain real passengers or were they empty? How can you verify the comments made by the people on said videos? How do you know any images they used weren't tampered with? How can you prove any of the documentation they refer to is legitimate? " this is exactly why we need a real investigation, the 9/11 commission was not one. If you think the Bush administration heavily exploited 9/11 and used it for their own purposes to get us into endless wars and military conquest in the middle east (which it appears you do) surely any unanswered or important questions regarding what happened on 9/11 should be addressed should they not? Are you satisfied 100% with the official account of what happened that day? if you have not seen 9/11 press for truth i highly recommend it, it doesn't conclude that america attacked itself on 9/11. It doesnt try to imply any extreme conspiracy theories. it just points and out and factually so that the 9/11 commission was a complete whitewash and managed by the bush administration the entire time. It also shows how it took incessant bothering of congress and senate members in their own offices by 9/11 widows and victims family members to even get the investigation started (almost a year after 9/11 itself occoured). If you believe the Bush administration has lied about the Iraq war motivations, go one step backwards and examine the motivations for the Afghanistan war and study the suspicious activities of 9/11 (such as why bush and cheney refused to testify under oath and individually yo the 9/11 commission and why they chose Henry Kissinger to be the head of it at the very start). I don't understand why so many people who distrust Bush give him and his administration a free pass when it comes to 9/11 and accept the theory of 'incompetence'. Watch a little bit of 9/11 press for truth and please point out to me which parts are distor |
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tions or lies.I think its a much tamer movie even than something like Farenheit 9/11 which imo is more sensationalist. This is a film you can show your conservative uncle and he will even be pissed at the Bush administration's handling of 9/11 before and after |
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barcode, when i quoted you above the reason i didnt answer any of your questions specifically if because i do not have them. I would love to know the answers to those questions just as much as you do . I think possibly a world body maybe the un or eu needs to get involved to give this a truely unbiased investigation. The federal government did too much to control the 9/11 comission to let it amount to anything useful or truely investigative., so i dont know if they alone can be trusted to do another one. |
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why the fuck am i seeing a john mcain for president ad every 2 refreshes on xltronic!!! |
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Precisely. I have questions about the Bush administration - it's obvious that it's utterly corrupt. But I also have questions about conspiracy theory claims, because they don't add up, much of it can be disproved by counter claims, and the claimants have their own motives too. The fact that politicians are withholding information or downright lying does not prove that 9/11 was an inside job. It's more likely that if they accept one lie they told it will lead to revelations of others and a downward spiral to a heap of other murky shit the Bush administration has been up to. Therefore, it's likely government representatives are pretty much told to keep their mouth's shut full stop. |
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"The fact that politicians are withholding information or downright lying does not prove that 9/11 was an inside job. " i agree, that fact alone does not prove that. However it does imo prove that there should be people at the very least prosecuted for manslaughter or negligent homocide. I don't know how Cheney would be able to explain his way out of Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission if he was put under oath. his testimony - Specifically, Mineta claims: "When I got to the White House, it was being evacuated. I met briefly with Richard Clark, a National Security Council staff member, who had no new information. Then the Secret Service escorted me down to the Presidential Emergency Operations Center, otherwise known as the PEOC." *** I was made aware of it during the time that the airplane coming into the Pentagon. There was a young man who had come in and said to the vice president, "The plane is 50 miles out. The plane is 30 miles out." And when it got down to, "The plane is 10 miles out," the young man also said to the vice president, "Do the orders still stand?" And the vice president turned and whipped his neck around and said, "Of course the orders still stand. Have you heard anything to the contrary?" this is specifically referring to the Plane incoming to the pentagon. Cheney knew it was on an intercept course but issued no orders or warnings of any kind to the pentagon. Barcode, i know i probably wont convince you of my positions but at least give 9/11 press for truth a try, like i said before it even converted my conservative uncle who was even staunchly pro iraq war before watching it. |
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fagguts |
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FAG, genova |
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"i agree, that fact alone does not prove that. However it does imo prove that there should be people at the very least prosecuted for manslaughter or negligent homocide. I don't know how Cheney would be able to explain his way out of Norman Mineta's testimony to the 9/11 commission if he was put under oath." word |
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I'll get round to watching it sometime. |
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rad, even more interesting and damaging about that Norman Mineta quote is he's been asked to clarify his remarks several times afterwards and he still stands by his own words 100%. He also has refused on several ocassions to be or star in 9/11 conspiracy debunking documentaries, instead sending them a written statement saying he has nothing more to ad and you can find out what you need from his testimony. |
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Ok guys I admit it..........I detonated the buildings |
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I'm sad to see how many young educated people still believe that Iraq or Al-qaida had anything to do with Pearl Harbour...:-) |
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in other news Jesse Ventura has been doing interview rounds for his new book and almost every time hes asked about 9/11 conspiracy theories because i guess he promotes them in this new book. Surprisingly sean hannity backed down pretty quickly when ventura started throwing facts at him. |
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Jesse Ventura is no nonsense. Its been refreshing to hear his ideas |
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he basically walked out of the opie and anthony show because of how fucking uninformed and childish they were. mucho respect for ventura |
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