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i really dont see the problem, or it hurting ae in any way i can imagine why they they don't put it out there, because it's like snooping into ones private kitchen, but that's as far as my sympathy goes :) |
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Exactly. It's not GPL open source code that was released by bearded exhibitionist hippie communist scum who expect everyone to look at their tantric love code. It's code that was never intended for widespread public release. Also, it's not some practical code intended to format a paragraph, connect to a database or teach noobs how to use a recursive function - it's a piece of functional art used to generate music that was put on CD and sold many copies. I keep trying to think of analogies, like stealing their notebooks or work-in-progress tapes, but more than anything else it's like stealing pieces of their minds. And there's something ugly about that. I was also thinking that this whole let's-imitate-AE thing is very much like fan fiction. You yes you, young man eager to bite their style, are no different from an emotionally ill housewife writing Buffy slash fiction. |
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well i guess the method obtained is thievery |
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Anyone in college ever found another student's work lying around unattended/a disk in a drive on a communal computer and had a look for any reason other than IDing it with the intention of returning it to the owner? If so, this is no different. Don't put them on a pedastal because they're famous and/or because this is art as opposed to factual IP. I'm not saying it's right, but it's not the insidious "stealing part of their soul" that you're making it out to be. It's more akin to going through a rival company's bins looking for corporate intelligence and seeing how they work/what they're up to. |
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it's a low thing to do towards the professor |
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espionage then? |
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this does however make up a little for the dick steward(ess) who didn't put the contents of the rdj harddisk player that inspired drukqs on the internet |
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boy, you guys are really something else. great logic. |
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I think that was Mr. James yanking our chains; I don't think the Mp3 player existed. |
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Uhhhh..... I wasnt stolen. It was just said that to emphasize its own importance. The ep7 era patch was given to the Russian band Fizzarum who in fact run a website/forum which is dedicated to the patch itself. Its out there, google it, babelfish, whatever. The confield era patch was in fact given too. If you actually look at the patch there are hidden gui elements and locked features included specifically because there was an intent that the patch would be seen by 3rd parties. Why would Autechre does this to their own patches if they didnt think they would get out there? |
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Was the ep7 patch given to fizzarum with the intent to distribute? Was the confield patch given to a prof with the intent to distribute? And this bullshit about locked / hidden features... on Mac each patcher window runs as a separate window. It's a way to save screen real estate and make things more aesthetically pleasing after you've set your parameters. It can't be to hide features from the user - anyone who doesn't know how to unlock a patch doesn't know anything about max in the first place. I'd like to hear what Rob and Sean have to say abourt all this. |
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the most amazing part of it is when the patch is used by autechre, the output is great. when the patch is not used by autechre the output is pretty bad. so the lesson learned here is obviously that if you are not autechre you should not use autechre's input excersizes i know nobody was saying that the samples were intended to be 'good' but i'll bet somewhere somebody probably thinks theyre pants-shitting awesome and for some reason that sucks to me because the real liccfli is much better but, regardless, yeah, thats like the pinaccle of nerd-dom right there. im a geek myself but i dont think i can longer call myself one after looking at those screenshots. jesus christ |
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"I'd like to hear what Rob and Sean have to say abourt all this." |
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and its kind of like finding out the spoiler to a movie, you know? or finding out the magicians trick. you aint guessing anymore after you know why a certain thing happened. yeah sure the music is still the same before and after you know that information, but for some (me) it has a spoiling effect. like in one of those samples on that website there's some parts that sound like a little bit of stuff from cap.iv and thats one of my favorite fucking songs ever. so now i have to erase that bit of information out of my head so that i will not associate it to this patch fiasco when i hear the song, or ill have to smoke more weed, or something, i dont know. jesus fucking christ, look at all the math thats in that chart/layout control spec, what the fuck. thats just off the deep end. WHY. i dont want to know that! thats too personal. i dont want to know that somebody sat down and did all of that. i cant accept that. it is unacceptable. not really but you see where im coming from? somebody might think the music was just a big electronic trick once they saw that screen. for beat-geeks like us though its pornographic i suppose. beat-geeks is all we are |
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HAHAHA they gave the patch to Fizzarum and fizzarum made a fucking FORUm about it??? i reckon its a throwaway one now judging by those screenshots just goes to show DO NOT TRUST ANYONE NOT TO REDISTRIBUTE |
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its all a big electronic trick |
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you guys fell for the hoax |
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Ha haha ~! Really? Do one where you decapitate Boards of Canada next. :D |
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oh shit hahahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahaha |
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both of the these patches are obviously meant for distribution. anybody who thinks otherwise needs to get off the high horse. The subject "Stolen" was meant to get your attention, not meant to be serious. goodnight |
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(unless of course this is one of those double reverse triple twist backflip pranks and they really are ae patches) |
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goodnight. |
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hhahaha you make hoax on internet!!! you fake people with great hoax!!! you are trickster hoax maker!!! |
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ooh my aching sides. |
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it *is* a double reverse triple twist backflip prank and they really are ae patches |
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:brain asplodes: |
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if i'd made any attempt to open the files i'd a) be more impressed and b) have a mac |
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jackeroffer: why are you publiscicing these patches in this way? |
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because it's cooler when they're stolen |
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i don't think it's a big deal. if you don't understand max you're going to get fuck all from their patches anyway, and if you understand it then you'll be making your own too. i'm sure they'd just say run with it, go and make something good, but it would have been decent if they consented first i reckon. |
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AE_fun.pat looks like they more or less copied the same thing about six times so I think it looks more complex than it is. |
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there was a thread a few years ago on the max/msp forum, where Dr. Karlheinz Essel said that autechre hacked his patch. Here is the exact transcript: "I know that autreche was using my AMAZING MAZE which they hacked by replacing its original sounds, but still using the incorporated algorithms. I don't care about this, but I think it should be credited at least (which does happen only exceptionally...)" >> --- kHz >> -- >> >> Dr. Karlheinz Essl >> composer / performer >> Studio for Advanced Music and Media Technology (Austria) >> http://www.essl.at SEAN BOOTH responds: "karlheinz yes i hacked your patch ages ago no i didnt use it in any of our recordings i would have credited you give me a little credit" then there is a heated argument over the crediting of instruments on records. Sean responds: "maybe he can explain how a pencil influences a suicide note." So I have two points. 1- if you use autechre's patch to make $ from a recording, give them a credit. 2- the max/msp community shares patches and partial code *every day* between one another to learn, not to steal. Sean/Autechre are no exception, they looked not only at tutorials, but extensively looked at and reworked the patches of others. It's a part of the learning process. They also relied on the input of others to solve their programming problems (but NOT their artistic ones) Dismiss all notions of intellectual property. It doesn't enter into it. That said, these are fun patches! if anyone wants to discuss them outside of the thread: mail_at_justinmagness.com |
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To have something like this happen must be a kick in the pants. That aside this is a great thing for MAX users. Great learning tool, and all round fun addition to the virtual studio. And you know what? We know Autechre made it, so there isn`t a complete injustice. They still get credit. This could have been stolen and sold without anyone knowing who made what or where it came from. |
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magness, you beat me to the CREDIT debate hehehe : P |
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you may not use any Roland synths, because the sound is intellecutal property of Roland. etc etc blah blah Couldnt really be bothered to read all/any of this, but erm yeah.... any songs I create will now be properly credited to the Roland corp, TC electronic, AKAI, behringer, Pro tools, et al |
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i pressed play on LP just now |
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autechre made these |
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wow, those are giving me a funny feeling in my panties. the power autechre has! |
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autechre is mighty like the yeti crab. |
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piggle piggly mighty yeti crab open your vulva and let me suck you're ok, you've got no scab piggle piggly mighty yeti crab |
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autechre made these |
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i won't lie, it does make me laugh, all of this. |
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