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The only problem with the new law here in Norway (ban of smoking in clubs, pubs etc) is that now it smell like shit instead. Use deo and perfume when you are together with other people for gods sake! And dont fart on the dancefloor! |
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I always fart on the dancefloor |
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Next step: No cars with combustion engine allowed in crowded cities. |
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that would be awesome! or.. rather.. only collective traffic and supply trucks for the shops. |
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I agree totally... |
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Well folks, if you believe in "health and safety" and other general EU political correctness/human rights guff, you can't really seperate this from that. This isn't a total ban on smoking in the UK as I_x_ten's rather sensationalist post described. More a ban of it in pubs/restaurants, which IMO, is no great hardship for smokers (they can smoke outside) and is a great boon if you work in a pub/club. I used to work as a waiter and didn't like smoke then either, but as I needed the money, I had to endure the smoke. Sure, for the year or so I did it, I'm likely not to have a significantly increased risk of lung cancer etc. from it, but you have to remember that for some people, waiting/bartending is a career and these people would be at risk. We don't tolerate unsafe use of asbestos in the building trade, or paint dust without masks in garages, what's the difference here? Next, I'd like to see a ban on smoking in hotels and B&Bs. Despite putting "non smoking" on my requests for hotels, I quite regularly end up in a smoking room for business and aside from the room and bed stinking of smoke, your clothes end up smelling of it just from being in the room. Smokers may argue it doesn't smell bad, but that's because their sense of smell has been eroded by smoking. Lots of my friends smoke and if I'm over a mates house, or even if a friend who smokes is over mine, that's fine and I have no problem with smoke at house parties. What I do object to, is suffering smoke for a complete stranger's sake and that when I want to eat out (which I need to quite often because of my job), if I was fussy about it, I'd often not be able to eat in many places as "non smoking" sections are only feet away. The argument "non smokers should go elsewhere" is a nonsense: Smokers are the minority and they're the ones causing the pollution. Thinking others should be inconvenienced by your habit is the same selfish mentality that says "I can play my music as loud as I want and other people should move away from me |
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There are so many fucking wankerish statements in your post, i don't even know where to begin. Let me take some time and soak it all in. |
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don't you mean- smoke it all in. |
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Fav - you lose |
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It's good to see that you are so cool and down with your mates that you let them smoke in your company. I bet your pals really appreciate that. At least their smoke isn't like that evil strangers smoke. That's the bad smoke. Non-smokers seem to think that they have a god given fucking right to live for ever. Listen pal, we live in an industrial country. The air is filled with contaminants and carcinogens. Go and live in fucking outer mongolia if you want pure 100% GOD GIVEN fucking air. Pubs sell drugs that kill thousands every day. It's a fucking mans game going to a pub. You're not going there to chomp on your Tofu and go on the treadmill for half an hour. MEN go to fucking pubs. Simple as that. You ever see pictures of Tony Blair wincing as he pretends to enjoy a pint in a pub? I bet you fucking look like that every time you enter a pub. Guys like you seem to think you have a GOD GIVEN right to walk and go anywhere you want. Well you fucking don't. Stay out of our pubs, ponce. |
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i'm not a smoker, but i find this measure really somewhat dictatorial-ish... i'm against it. what's next, banning alcohol?! "some places need that smell of smoke... particularly jazz clubs." > this may sound silly but i agree. |
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yo ceri, that wasn't me being sensationalist, i was letting the article speak for itself, which clearly outlines the conditions of the ban. i can't be held responsible if people didnt bother to read it and misinterpreted. also i am somewhat dissapointed by all the name calling in this thread. also, all you non smokers will soon have all wetherspoons pubs as non smoking, and i'm sure most branded chain pubs will be the first to follow suit also i'm actually going to try and quit smoking today and seel how i feel about this issue in a week or so, provided i'm successful also uhm, oh never mind |
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you can't fucking compare alcohol and smoke. smoke (directly) harms other people upon consumption while alcohol doesn't. i_x: the name calling is a way of answering the childish notion some smokers have that they should be allowed to smoke everywhere and non-smokers just have to conform. This notion can only be replied with a good healthy "FUCK THE FUCK OFF!" |
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oh.. and before aynone says that non-smokers are equally childish, wanting smokers to conform to their non-smoking policy, I have two answers: "To NOT smoke doesn't hurt anyone. To smoke does." and "FUCK OFF!" |
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Come on mate, surely you can see how the sentence, "looks like the UK is going to get a complete ban on smoking after all." could be construed as meaning there's a ban of smoking everywhere in the UK and not just in pubs/restaurants, etc. Of course, I did go on to read the article and realised that wasn't the case, I was just saying it seemed a bit of a dramatic way to get the debate going (which has since proven to be interesting ;-) RE: lumpenprol's point (interesting first post: Welcome to the board) "As for the people working at bars/pubs who are non-smokers and are worried about the effects of constant second-hand smoke, they should just find a different occupation." I disagree. As a teenager, the only job available to me that I could work a decent amount of hours in, that I could fit around school times, was waiting. Bill: My distinction between the smoke of friends and strangers is that I'm happy to endure a slight degree of discomfort for a friend, much like I'm happy to get them a drink when they're broke, etc. whereas I don't see why I should have to tolerate being put upon by total strangers. Yes there are carcinogens from cars and industry, but: a) The people who benefit from both those things are the majority (we live in a democracy- the idea is that what most people want/what is good for most people, goes) b) Both of those things serve a purpose and our current way of life and standard of living would not be possible without them. Smoking is entirely recreational and serves no purpose to the masses as a whole. Regarding your comparison to alcohol, dalcohol itself is not a nuisance to the public at large and again, people who enjoy a drink are the majority. Let's be honest, most people start smoking to look hard and fit in with the cool kids when they're at school, get addicted and are too weak to give it up, so it continues into adult life. Really, what is it that made you try that first cigarette? For the record: I used to smoke, before I g |
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well.. though I agree with most of your points, the majority argument doesn't stick (and especially not when it comes to the car and exhaust problem). the majority isn't always right, nor is it the majoritys right to impose upon the minority their belief. That would kind of justify america (or any majority) going to war against any other country (minority) in the world with less inhaibtants than america. the reason for banning smoking isn't because the majority doesn't smoke - it's because smoke hurts people who haven't chosen to hurt themselves by way of smoke. |
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its not my fault if people misinterpret. why would i want to decieve people anyway? anyone who is going to debate the issue to any degree of worth should be well informed about the topic anyway i.e not base their stance on one very brief summary statement followed by personal opinion |
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I'm happy to endure a slight degree of discomfort for a friend. I bet you are Ceri. I bet your are. Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha |
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Don't worry, you won't be long without your liberty before the bird flu kills you. |
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i know that... but you never know what some governments will invent... there are some completely absurd laws. |
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I was waiting for some bill_hicks comedy gold in your responses in this thread and you finally delivered the goods. Genuine "lol" at that. :D Drunken Mastah: I agree re: your point about democracy, but I feel your "world democracy" analogy you use is flawed. Individual countries may be run in accordance (to some degree) to democracy, but by and large, international affairs are a case of "might is right". I'm sure every other country in the world could vote that America had to donate money to them, it wouldn't make them do it though. |
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exactly - it wouldn't make them do it, nor does it seem right for the rest of the world to try to make them do it. my point was that majority shouldn't impose themselves and their opinions on minority, nor should minority impose themselves on majority. |
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I tend to agree with your viewpoint that people should, by and large, leave other people alone, unless they're being pleasent to them. |
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word! |
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