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i agree wholeheartedly! |
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i too have thoughts and opinions about this issue. |
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let's here them |
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people under age of consent that get pregnant should have their babies and then feed them to kaen to gnash them into a bloody pulp whilst mashing chavs with his left fist |
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except i think gnashing involves teeth. so kaen needs to get teeth installed into his left fist. |
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nope, gotta catch a bus. *aborts xltronic* |
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wait i was right though he's gnashing the babies and mashing the chavs |
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I don't know how people can be so black and white for or against it. To the pro-choicers - up to what stage do you think it acceptable to abort? |
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theres a short story by Philip K Dick, where its the future, and you can abort children up to age 12. The reasoning, is that you don't have a soul until you can do complex math, and age 12 is the average age for a child to begin to understand such concepts. So if you're 11, and the parents don't want you, they can abort you. |
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i was going to write something clever about consioucness but then i realised i can't spell the fucking word and have given up the end. |
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I think you have to take in consideration the circumstances in which the child is being bought into the world. I think that some people have kids because they want to jump the queue in getting housing, i know that happens here. I am actually pro-choice for reasons other than that of something which isn't a suspicious fact. Quite a few of the people i know have had abortions and i thought it was the right move. They were all in the wrong situation. I honestly think that if having the child would cause resentment and hatered towards it for reason out of it's control, i think that is a totally good reason for it to be aborted. Plus the other reasons like rapists baby etc. I also think the mans view is totally valid. |
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consciousness? mnississippi |
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-n |
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this is a dificult issue... the thing is... legally, since when do we start to be human beings? I dont know what would I do... well, yes, I am 30 years old (almost) and I am buying a house with my girl, so I would have the baby... but what if I was 17? I say people must have the right to choose... they are gonna do it anyway, so if its legal, no dirty business raises over this matter |
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well your argument i so very stupid because is based on the very debate of abortion. how do you know you're right? is just your belief. by something similar I can conclude that people that are not religious are selfish cunts. I have a freind who has a 1 year old daughter, and recently had an abortion, I coulnd't stop to think about what could have been, that "zygote" she aborted. Her daughter is just amazing. It does feel like she killed something. But I respect her choice |
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They should make abortion less attractive and pregnancy more inviting with shows like Pimp My Womb where women can have bling installed in their lady parts. All cubic zirconiums inlaid in the cervix and 2500 watt bass ovaries. Fucking miami bass gynecology, it's all good. |
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:chuckle: |
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lol don't you think the problem is deeper and rooted in the education of "peoples"? it's not really an issue of finding the line between alive and not alive (that is just stupid anyway, how are you going to find that :p) if you didn't have all those "stupid" "accidental" "non thought out" pregnancies it wouldn't matter THAT much... sure there'll always be rapers and difficult situations, but the BIG problem is that now people conceive children WITHOUT FUCKING THINKING ABOUT THE CONSEQUENCES!!! and the poor babies are at the very heart of the storm, and they shouldn't be, let's educate people and responsibilise them for fuck's sake! -drunken mastah said something about people having children to jump the queue to have a house... -there is also girls who want a baby to feel accomplished in life... -accidental baby because "oh shit i forgot my pill and didn't tell my man because i didn't want to upset him"... -... i think the real problem is there, education, like always... give a fish to a starving man and he will eat one day, teach him to fish and he'll eat all his life |
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If abortion is murder then a miscarriage must be at least manslaughter. Imprison all bitches who have miscarriages. |
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people should have to pass a test or something before being allowed to have children. i think unwanted babies etc is probably cause for a hell of a lot of problems. |
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"well your argument i so very stupid because is based on the very debate of abortion. how do you know you're right?" it's based on teh debate of abortion? what does that mean/ ... what my debate is based on is not where life begins, but where the person begins. a person is not a collection of cells in the womb, a person is what that eventually grows into and has nothing to do with the body, but with the mind shaped by its environment. |
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I'd have to agree with you that pro-lifers are generally idiots but i think your argument is pretty flawed. Just because something isn't a person doesn't mean that you shouldn't have any guilt about killing them. Do you mean that it's ok to kill them because they're not people or because they're not conscious? |
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yes, its ok to kill them because they are not people yet. |
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Fucking miami bass gynecology, it's all good. holy cow lol |
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haha yep! |
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my mouth just aborted my chewing gum out onto the desk. what was the tool for the dastardly deed? laughter. |
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"don't you think the problem is deeper and rooted in the education of "peoples"? it's not really an issue of finding the line between alive and not alive (that is just stupid anyway, how are you going to find that :p) if you didn't have all those "stupid" "accidental" "non thought out" pregnancies it wouldn't matter THAT much..." that's right. these people need to see and acknowledge their selfish ways before anything starts to change. they need to man up and realize they are not murdering, but taking their part in responsibility for the state of the world! |
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i think the issue is, should we let The Man dictate when we can and can't reproduce? The Man already wants to dictate when we can and can't die. We should be asking why The Man is so interested in our gonads anyway. |
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So it's ok to kill anything that's not a person? Don't be daft |
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Just to play devils advocate, where do you draw the line Crocomire? At birth? Is it OK to abort a foetus right when the woman goes into labor? What about within the first five minutes while it's still slimy and gross? |
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Just have the lady squat over a trashcan, that way nobody even has to get uterus junk on their hands. |
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doh, sorry that was a bit much... i'm pro choice by the way and i am also grumpy today. c-ya |
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bah, we're too numerous anyway. |
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man gimme the address of your blog |
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lovely avatar |
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as far as i know "pro-life" does not mean "anti-abortion" and vice-versa. |
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Its a parasite until you cut the cord. |
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If technology was superr advanced beforre I was borrn, and they could have scanned me in womb to see if I'd have been borrn with this birrthmarrk, I'd have hoped that my parrents would have been smarrt enough to fucking have an aborrtion and sparre me all the shit, mental and physical, that I've been forrced to go thrrough and felt I had to go thrrough. Life isn't a special gift, it's a nightmarre. |
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how about this.... if you have an abortion, you should be forced to kill your first subsequent offspring within 24 hrs of its birth. and if you actively campaign against abortions, you or your daughter must be raped until falling pregnant... this happy arrangement should sort it all out, surely... |
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a person is not a person until it realizes it is. do you remember being a zygote? i know i don't. and don't tell me you do, because unless you're some kind of freak, you don't. If I was to perform brain surgery on somebody without anesthetic, chances are they wouldn't remember it afterwards, therefore by your logic it would be a humane act...there is still no real conclusive evidence as to what stage a baby feels pain and is aware of its surroundings. the persons who seek abortion do so for a number of reasons, but basiclly because they are not ready to nurture and bring forth properlly another human being. They shouldn't have been having unprotected sex then should they. Obviously there are cases such as rape etc. where abortion is an opinion to be considered. But say a child is born and then the perant decides they don't want it should they be able to terminate it's life as long as the child is not aware it is happening? i see lots of anti-abortionists with their signs out front of the abortion clinic, and they even go so far as to plant numerous white-painted wooden crosses in front of the clinic to represent the lost lives of these pre-people. they need to feel better about themselves, so they protest; they say they're pro-life. of course that's what they'd say. would they say that they're pro-death? of course not. A childish and immature comment. If they truely beleive a murder is being committed then they may feel they are morally obliged to challenge it. society would be better off without people raised in an unhealthy situation precipitated by immature and/or unworthy parents. but the anti-abortionists aren't about reality, only about self-righteousness. they are Idiots! You're the idiot for your little rant. There are so called "pro abortionists" in the UK who agree with anti abortionists in the US regarding things such as partial birth abortion which wasn't outlawed until recently and also the time into a pregnancy that abo |
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abortion is allowed. It's not as simple a black and white issue as you make out. |
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I did? house queue? |
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I want to do like a comedian once said and run into an abortion clinic shouting "Abort! abort!" |
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"If I was to perform brain surgery on somebody without anesthetic, chances are they wouldn't remember it afterwards, therefore by your logic it would be a humane act..." that statement makes me feel you're an idiot. "there is still no real conclusive evidence as to what stage a baby feels pain and is aware of its surroundings." so does that one. i'm not gonna bother responding further. |
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In what way? You are simply assuming that because you have no recollection of being in the womb that a foetus is incapable of feeling pain. There are professors who claim 26 weeks and others who claim 16 weeks as the start of the foetus feeling pain. In the UK there is a 24 week limit on abortion, in the US partial birth abortion was permitted to the end of the sixth month of pregnancy, in both cases the foetus' could be experiencing pain during the termination. Is that humane? If a child is injured in an accident and suffers brain damage as a result and the parents feel they aren't in a condition to look after that child and given that "the mind shaped by its environment" no longer exists should there be an option for termination at that stage, especially as the child will never form a productive part of society a termination would surely just be them "taking their part in responsibility for the state of the world"? The fact you haven't came up with any constructive arguements (I'm sorry but "I think your an idiot" doesn't count) and having now read your other posts in this topic it is clear you haven't got a proper grasp of this topic and it was pointless me responding in the first place. |
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"You are simply assuming that because you have no recollection of being in the womb that a foetus is incapable of feeling pain." i never said that. |
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i think it's daedniarb |
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"nope. that's my point. i can't remember being a person until around 2." You used that as justification. Now I could, if I chose, respond to your childish insults and eventually make both of us look stupid...but on this occassion I will refrain and allow you to continue acheiving the opposite of what you beleive you are doing. |
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Apart from a handful of critical replies towards the end, this thread is completely devoid of any worth. The topic rant itself is incoherent and erratic.. the expression of your feelings, as opposed to the feelings themselves, ermmm.. "makes me feel you're an idiot." |
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"the expression of your feelings, as opposed to the feelings themselves, ermmm.. "makes me feel you're an idiot."" well i'm sorry, oh scholar, i have trouble with expression. it's part of my personality disorder, so i guess that does make me an idiot. :/ but did not my feelings get through, even if their expression didn't messure up to your oh so lofty standards? |
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