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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2005-07-29 09:28 [#01678424]
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it is insane! mikael åkerfeldt of opeth has a nasty growl and a really good "clean" voice as well.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:28 [#01678425]
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totally agreed with you on the moshing and chains.
-add the unnecessary dirtiness of metal lovers to the list, its terrible at a gig, feels like being stuck in a rush hour tube train with people coming back caked in stinking mud from Glastunbury -_-
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mylittlesister
from ...wherever (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-29 09:30 [#01678427]
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is anyone into 'the berzerker'?
i saw one of their videos and it was one of the funniest things i've ever seen!
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ToXikFB
on 2005-07-29 09:31 [#01678431]
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when i went to iron maiden there was quite a few pit's and i wanted to watch them play aswell i dident have to stay a mile back from the stage i just made sure not to fall into a pit, and never venture into pits with alot of people in em' on your own because it's most likely there's a bunch of mates wating for a stranger to jump in so they can knock you about.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:31 [#01678432]
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YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Are you an SOD fan? New DVD in stores yesterday! :D!!!!!!
*vomits happyness*
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ToXikFB
on 2005-07-29 09:33 [#01678435]
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oHHH? nice one! i gota snap it up :D
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-29 09:34 [#01678436]
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It may require practise to growl with sustenance, but so what? That makes the person a good growler, not a good singer. Singing not only involves melody, it is a completely different type of vocal articulation.
I went and looked it up in the dictionary and i got: "To emit a low guttural sound or utterance."
Singing on the other hand is "to utter a series of words or sounds in musical tones... to make melodious sounds".
Don't even think of saying "that's just semantics". It's not.
There is a clear and definite distinction between growling (death metal "singing") and real singing, and no interpretation of what music is can break this distinction down. If you enjoy listening to it, that's great, but it's still just growling and not singing.
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-07-29 09:34 [#01678437]
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the berzerker? you mean the dude that playes guitar over 1 minute speedcore tracks? and starts every song with a movie sample?
yes I've heard of him. :)
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:34 [#01678438]
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mmm I guess I was generalising on the basis of one gig, however I'm sure maiden fans are much more toned down in comparison to the fans of Hatebreed, Slipknot and Slayer all in one small venue.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:34 [#01678439]
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Not that i am aware of. Then again you never know. I almost died during that show from exhaustion. It was great. I experienced the biggest surge of energy that never stopped. I must seee them again
Arf,
This thread will be a typical conversation between metal fans. Arrogance, ignorence and stupid shit with a hint of truth. This happens all over in real life with metal fans. They are wildly opinionated. I love it!!!!
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bob
from Nottingham (United Kingdom) on 2005-07-29 09:36 [#01678440]
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dunno if this counts, but does anyone listen to sunn-0))) ?
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:36 [#01678441]
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ah yes they're sort of a very fast metal band and look like slipknot and have the cliche of stating that no one will ever know their true identity.
'The Drummer' is rated as the second best drummer in the world behind Joey Jordison (of Murderdolls) so I'll give them credit for that, oh and their movie samples are ace.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:36 [#01678442]
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i have the mp3s of:
1985 demo live at cbgb's and live in sweden
Cd's of Speak english or die bigger than the devil live at the budakhan
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-07-29 09:38 [#01678447]
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are you telling me that drums are actually drummed???? damn...I though it was a drum machine. that is some fast blasting.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2005-07-29 09:39 [#01678449]
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I guess rapping is not singing either then. Great.
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dariusgriffin
from cool on 2005-07-29 09:40 [#01678450]
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I like Sunn O))) and I think they are good.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:40 [#01678451]
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yeah believe it or not it actually is one dude on a drum kit on most of the songs. He's onbiously high on speed most of the time but still, damn he is one fast drummer.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-07-29 09:40 [#01678453]
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nice work selecting the definition that would fit your argument. now i've looked it up and it says:
# Music.
1. To utter a series of words or sounds in musical tones.
2. To vocalize songs or selections. 3. To perform songs or selections as a trained or professional singer.
4. To produce sounds when played: made the violin sing.
where is the part that says, "Only the beautiful sounds of a young lady singing a certain melody by a classical composer is True Singing and everything else is garbage and not music!"
no, it's vocalising. it is a style of singing.
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ToXikFB
on 2005-07-29 09:41 [#01678455]
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have you got soulseek? i'd love to hear the demo
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:43 [#01678457]
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quote: ----------------------------------------------------- from www.theberzerker.com The Berzerker drummer unofficially breaks the worlds fastest hands record! With 1148 single strokes in 1 minute. This record will be made official the coming weeks
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19.13 BPS or something like that. He also broke his foot playing apparently!
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:44 [#01678459]
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yes i do. please grab them all!
The new DVD contains the never before heard "ballad of stone temple pilots" :D!!!!
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isnieZot
from pooptown (Belgium) on 2005-07-29 09:44 [#01678460]
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any videos where you can clearly see him drum? I always like watching drumsolo vids.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-07-29 09:44 [#01678461]
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yeah, sunn o))) is great. i almost recommended them, but they're so in the vein of experimentalism they barely qualify as metal. very droney - good music. i like earth a lot as well.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:45 [#01678462]
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who are you on slsk??
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:51 [#01678469]
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this is one of their songs and though I don't think he's at his extreme fastest here It gives you the general idea.
wow is he amazing
The Berzerker - No One Wins.mp3
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:54 [#01678470]
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Does anyone else want SOD/MOD rarities???? I am gonna upload 3-4 albums to yousendit. I wanna see if anyone wants them
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2005-07-29 09:55 [#01678472]
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i'll take them!
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forck_02lynix
from brooklyn on 2005-07-29 09:56 [#01678473]
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nice track, intense! i haven't heard them before, now i have to download some.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-07-29 09:57 [#01678474]
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oh man..looks like i'll have to clear some place on my hard drive for this..
thank you for all your recomendations everyone..lots of those i haven't heard yet..
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:57 [#01678475]
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ace!!!! I love it!!!
I am currently uploading them to yousendit. I will make a seperate thread for it so stand by!
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-07-29 09:58 [#01678476]
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that berzerker track was pretty cool. thanks. i couldn't care less about his technique or his speed, though.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 09:58 [#01678477]
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Make sure to grab these SOD/MOD tracks i am uploading! Remember that billy milano approves the sharing of these
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-07-29 09:58 [#01678478]
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thanks I'm glad you like it. At first I was like "what the hell is this noise" but there's something about it that makes it very listenable to. hmm
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 10:00 [#01678480]
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This track is pretty intense. The vocals are nothing real special and i was hoping that the drums would sound more like drums. But pretty neat none the less
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plaidzebra
from so long, xlt on 2005-07-29 10:05 [#01678484]
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best quote in the thread so far:
"my problem is with the statement, "I want some substance" coming from somebody who listens to fucking korn."
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 10:07 [#01678489]
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hahahhaha!!! i cant believe i overlooked that!!! screenshot required!
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-07-29 10:09 [#01678490]
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thank you, i will for sure!
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 10:36 [#01678513]
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anytime! :)
As for now i started uploading and then took a shower and its still uploading.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-07-29 10:39 [#01678515]
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*delets all the boring stuff*
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 10:47 [#01678521]
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I'll talk to my buddy brian for you. Hes into the most rare of metal and might have good suggestions. He will go out and buy an album because the bassist of an unknown band might be wearing the t-shirt.
He loves metal more than watmm+xlt+mu loves aphex and idm.
Its crazy. I dont know if thats good or bad so i will just say good for now
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-07-29 10:50 [#01678524]
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yes, metal fans are hardcore usually :) must be a good thing..
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-07-29 10:57 [#01678534]
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hahah...
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 11:08 [#01678542]
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:) !
This is stillllllll uploading! ugh!
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-29 11:26 [#01678552]
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I'm not arguing whether it's musical or not. The argument of "What is music" is as old as that regarding what art is.
My point was that growling, screaming, etc isn't singing. If you consider it music, and enjoy listening to it that's just fine and dandy. But it's not fucking singing, and I think the distinction needs to be observed.
Yeah, who gives a shit -- well I do. As someone who holds real fucking singers as opposed to people who can roar for seconds on end in far higher esteem, i fucking give a shit.
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OK
on 2005-07-29 11:26 [#01678553]
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any band that goes chuga-chuga chuga is good metal
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2005-07-29 11:31 [#01678566]
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silly aengus this debate can never be won.
singing is loosely used to coin those that use vocals in a band or any musical setting.
you are thinking of the older aspect when singing required training and sounded more like vocal ellogence. Sinatra and shit.
Either way there is still vocal training and talent that goes into it. I already see you itching at the point that i said "talent" but not everyone can do it.
Just like there are many sub categories of music there are multiple ways to sing and play an instrument. One way isnt superior to the other, its all a matter of opinion.
ah well! Fuck it!
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-07-29 11:38 [#01678581]
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yes, exactly. one style is not better than any other. it has no bearing on taste - it's just a matter of fact. there are different ways of singing in the world.
redrum, this debate has nothing to do with talent - you are the one who brought that into play. you are trying to define something extremely broad and varied in terms of aesthetics. you didn't know what singing was and now you do. just get over it.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-29 11:38 [#01678582]
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It just pisses me off that death metal uses growling and screaming exclusively, with no real, melodic singing. These vocals can add a huge amount of power to a song in moderation, but I hold firm that their use all the way through a song (let along a whole fucking album) is mindless.
It also says a lot about the mental state of the people performing death metal.
That's it. I'm out.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-29 11:42 [#01678586]
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you didn't know what singing was and now you do. just get over it.
Go fuck yourself you pretentious prick.
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redrum
from the allman brothers band (Ireland) on 2005-07-29 11:43 [#01678588]
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*condescending
not pretentious
who cares; it's not as if you'll notice a difference.
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