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uzim
on 2005-06-03 04:28 [#01621270]
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i don't like to admit it, but it sounds fair enough...
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uzim
on 2005-06-03 04:30 [#01621272]
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...except that there would be many abuses and "mistakes", and that would be just wrong.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-03 04:44 [#01621288]
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well you'd obviously only be allowed to pass a death sentence if there was irrefutable evidence involved (forensics,cctv etc as mentioned by ceri jc) and it would be the victims who decide wether the senence was actually carried out and it would be them that flicked the switch (if they wanted too).
Personally I think this is the way forward, it removes the criminals from society whilst providing one of the most pure and satisying methods of therapy for the victim, revenge.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-06-03 04:59 [#01621303]
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I have to dissagree with you there. Its important that we get to the point where we are to remove chronic offenders from society (this is going to be inevitable, as violent crime is perpetually on the rise), but I do not agree with killing anything. Penal colony.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-03 05:07 [#01621310]
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I generally don't agree with killing anything, I've had major feelings of guilt after using fly spray but I would quite happily flick the switch on someone that had harmed or killed someone I was close to, maybe the victims should be allowed to torture them instead or something.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-03 05:09 [#01621315]
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I really don't think the media help in any way; front-padge reports probably highten the craze. And then you get pricks like 50 cent rammed down your throat, bigging up violence and what not - i think these kids are massively influenced by such twats.. and it just remains completely overlooked.
There seems to be no censorship or anything for kids anymore. And then you get the fucking useless solutions from headteachers and parents; ban phones from school. What the fuck will that do? Ruin it for everyone, it doesnt solve the problem or deal with the real issues at hand. Same with banning hoodies; as if, like chavs are gonna go "shit can't wear my hoodie" yeah right.
I think most of these chavs are probably cowards, and the phone is probably a mere excuse at the end of the day. I think this country (UK) is too soft as well. They know they can get away with it. They should be sent to some sort of brat-camp or whatever. Or have some sort of fucking nasty punishment (capital in the extreme) - cos prevention is better than cure I reckon..
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-03 05:23 [#01621346]
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I can't stand fake ass gangsta rap myself but I dunno if you can really blame the music, I listened to Iron Maiden and AC/DC when I was a kid but I didn't turn into a blood drinking satanist. 50 cent is a dick though, the only rapper for me is MC Pitman.
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Exaph
from United Kingdom on 2005-06-03 05:28 [#01621353]
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I'm not blaming it entirely but I think a gangsta influence definately resonates through the chavs, esp. the way the speak "i'll bitch-slap ya" etc... send them to iraq.
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Taxidermist
from Black Grass on 2005-06-03 05:29 [#01621358]
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I don't know. I am a big fan of the art immitates life philosophy, not the other way around.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-06-03 05:31 [#01621361]
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the only rapper I can bear to listen to is Mike Skinner from the Streets, all the rest just piss me off. People like 50 pence and The Lame (The Game) dont care what culture they're helping to promote as long as they've got enough money to hide away in the penthouses and hollywood mansions. They must be in denial, if they can comprehend such a thing.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-03 05:33 [#01621366]
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listen to Pitman, he does a good "tribute" to Mike Skinner
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-06-03 05:35 [#01621368]
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really? what tracks do you reccomend?
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uzim
on 2005-06-03 05:35 [#01621369]
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actually death punishment sounds fair enough to the victim (or some victims), i do understand that, but it would be quite... "insane"...
maybe they're just stupid and irresponsible, not meaning evil - but what would be "fair" in that case? i don't know...
would be quite funny if they'd be sentenced to be punched real hard like they did... but that would be like a fight, they'd punch back and again and again until someone gives up or can't continue or dies...
maybe a big fine would be better, but even then, if they're poor their family would have to pay for it and suffer from poverty even more although they're not really responsible, and if they're rich they wouldn't care at all...
prison?
i really don't know. well, anyway there should be punishment for that, not just telling go - but what if you can't prove...
the problem is that if you defend yourself punching back, there are chances you'd be sued even if you didn't do anything wrong...
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-06-03 05:37 [#01621370]
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they should just have their hoods sewn to the back of their hoodies. Without then they'd lose all confidence that they once had since there is no more anonymity.
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soundguy
from London (United Kingdom) on 2005-06-03 05:38 [#01621371]
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the track in question is called "roads", beware though, he's not kind.
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DeleriousWeasel
from Guam on 2005-06-03 05:41 [#01621373]
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ok, we'll see what this 'bearable rapper' is like then.....
thanks, I think
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