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I think a lot of this slapping comes from parents getting frustrated, not being able to control the situation. |
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if i'd gotten away w/ speaking back to my mom over and over and over again i'd have not developed any respect for her probably ever and because ive been able to respect her life has been a bit better ive never held it against her. if i ever have kids ill let my wife slap them around a bit :) |
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so you're saying you developed respect for your mother because she slapped you? that doesn't sound very healthy. |
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Sorry I say "Fuck you" to everyone. Get used to it. Its fun, try it sometime. primitive illogical nonsense? excuse but what the fuck are you? Some sort of evolved being thats above anyone else? Try your logic elsewhere, mankind has been around for how long? and you expect our kids to come out of a birth canal allready knowing how to extend their pinky finger when they drink tea? As for countries where "discipline" is illegal can suck my cock. There is a difference between child abuse and discipline. Learn it. Seriously, if you can raise productive kids without slapping them when they start mouthing off or hitting YOU, then congradulations, go write a book and enlighten the rest of the world. |
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she couldn't be bothered to do it any other way, she worked alot and was stressed. i guess thats just how it works out man. |
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I slap people for mouthing off even if they aren't my children. |
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That's the worse, 'coz the kid can feel that. |
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violence is the final haven of the incompetant |
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Jesus H God Christ. Stop trying to live towards a Utopia people. It isn't gonna happen. Voilence has existed before man even walked this planet. Stop living in a fairy tale and get over it. |
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stop living in the last century. sounds like a fear of change to me. which is something you have expressed before. |
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What kind of change do I fear? Everyone who goes around thinking that they can stop voilence is like going around thinking you can stop people from being homosexual. It happens in nature, dont be a New-Age-Hippy-Liberal-Douche. |
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fucking hell you're stupid. don't expect sympathy next time you start whining on about how crap your life is and how you spend all the time on your own because you have no friends. |
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sorry i thought I was logged in as Monoid when I posted that stuff. My apologies. Ok, so can we get back to the topic at hand? Or should we just continue with personal insults? |
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so I guess you hunt for your own food? that "it happens in nature" is such a bullshit argument. |
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If I had to hunt for food I would. Nowadays 'hunting' consists of getting in the car and driving to the supermarket. So yes, i do hunt for food. that "it happens in nature" is such a bullshit argument. please elaborate... |
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Spanking can be for the good of the child (a short sharp slap to indicate something is dangerous for example, sort of associative conditioning) however there are many parents who will take out their days frustration on a child which is nothing more than abuse. There is a lot written about parents right to smack etc., but there can be an equal or greater amount of damage done through mental abuse of children. I myself received the occassional slap and personally I see no harm in it being done providing it is for the good of the child. |
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nevermind, i think what you are saying is that because we (unlike nature) have control over our actions, that we need to choose NOT to hit our kids. But I'm saying, we dont have to unless we run out of options. If your kid behaves like an angel until he/she is 18/21, then fantastic, you are the luckiest parent alive. Otherwise, expect to give them a red ass once in awhile. |
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The man of reason speaks the truth. Bless you sir. |
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Yes. I think there is a difference between abuse and discipline. |
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Motherfucker, if I was your dad I'd make you brush your teeth with the toilet brush...then I'd beat you silly with it, then I would drive you to the hospital dragging you behind the car on a rope because I wouldn't want to get blood on my seats. Then I would pay the doctors to collapse your lungs. Then I would sit laughing. Laughing until blood leaked from my eyes. |
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Oh yeah toilet brushes! I prefer toilet paper myself. |
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You brush your teeth with toilet paper? You wierd loon. |
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you can discipline without being violent. smacking is an "easy" answer. this whole thread has made me quite sad. |
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also, if you say that smacking a child is acceptable, that then creates another problem defining the big grey area of how hard, how often, in what circumstances etc, which is near on impossible to define. |
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i'll repeat, violence is the final haven of the incompetant. and i'll leave it at that. |
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you are giving evidence that you were not slapped enough as a child |
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You are an intelligent chap, sadly a lot of parents aren't, at least with physical punishment they can guage what they are doing. I have seen a lot of kids who never get hit but get non violent punishment which is often completely unbeneficial, drawn out and by the time it impacts on them it no longer holds any relevance to the cause of it being implemented in the first place. |
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hahaha, thanks dad! |
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i want to see earthleakage vs. weateredstoner again that was fucking fresh |
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weathered fuckin say something about him, cut him down |
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I'm mixed up, man! |
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weathereds wit would wither woefully while warring 'the leakage' |
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yo mama? |
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aahahhahaha |
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Its barely even 'violence' if its done properly, when you spank a kid it doesn't hurt them it just lets them know who's in control, obviously its quite important for young children to realise that they have to have an authority figure for their own well-being. It may seem primitive but children are primitive, that's the whole point. If you could communicate perfectly with a child then they wouldnt be a child. Hurting your child as punishment is a different matter though, but just smacking them once to take control of the situation is fine with me. |
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is it normal to have thoughts of killing your own parents when you remember that you were heavily spanked even after several years after those events? ? |
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im so used to violence i can't start a day without a proper beating. |
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does heavily spanked = proper thrashing? |
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hahaomgwtflol!!!1one |
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I wish my mum was here right now to kick the shit out of me, the mother's day beatings were always classics |
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I never liked fathers day beatings. Always made my arm tired. |
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I got spanked when I was a kid and it's fucking stupid. I will never do that to my kids and I will NEVER forgive my parents for doing it to me. I was a particularly frustrating child to them, I'm sure of it -- I got shitloads of spankings (spankings for EVERY FUCKING THING -- whining, pinching my sisters, you name it), and spankings ALWAYS exacerbated the situation. It made me want to hurt them back. Why should I be afraid of my own parents? I am a pretty fucking calm person, but when somebody pisses me off, my first instinct is to slap them! I REALLY don't think that should be, and I honestly think it's because of spankings in my childhood. My brother and sisters and I played WAY too rough with each other a LOT of times, and where do you think we learned it? We could have really hurt each other and I'm honestly surprised we never did. I am positive there are other better ways to discipline a child than by hitting them. I just don't think people should hit each other at all. |
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it seems this debate went rather serious. i would just like to clear up, for the record, that my mother did not beat me into a crying little ball. I received a few good licks and i fucking deserved them. I don't know if i'm better off because of this, all I know is I chew with my mouth cloused and don't talk back. I like to resolve a situation calmly, unlike other people in this thread who seem to get a bit fired up. |
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i was never beaten, cause my parents wanted to treat me with RESPECT, and probably was of the opinion that i should grow up without ever having to be afraid that my own parents would hurt me physically. Violence is not good for anyone, it's a fact, no matter how much we love our parents. The few times my dad would grab me by the shoulder to sort of shake me when he was pissed off, i'd be violent to other people afterwards and pick a fight or something. |
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yeah, once, i still rrememberr it. |
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I was such a little terror when I was little, i used to get smacked all the time! I had a naughty chair too which was an armchair turned into the corner. When I figured out that I always got stuck in the naughty chair for reasons unknown to me, (drinking my mum's channel no 5 was perfectly fine as far as I knew) I hid loads of chocolates and sweets down the side so at least I could have a munch while I was there |
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my granny would use the wooden spoon on occasion and the primary school (junior-high?) headmaster loved using the "yellow swish" on us. I still think there was no need for it and that it was undiciplined frustration. I've been to japan a few times and its a culture with zero smacking of kids and its full of lovely well-behaved children. spend 10 minutes in a supermarket here and you'd see a kid get hit for nothing - now that thick. |
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Typically, most parents who spank their children see it as a MEANS - never an end in itself. It is a means (we hope) to make their children better people in the long run. So, what then are we to make of Our Father in Heaven and His punishment for us, His Children, - HELL? If a parent in our culture used the beating of his child not as a means to make him or her a better person, but simply does arbitrarily it for no apparent reason, then we would view him as a dangerous psychopathic personality and, further, we would attempt to rescue the child. In this way, the idea of God and His punishment is GROSSELY disanalogous to the punishment handed out by the good parent (who at least punishes for the right reasons even if we disagree as to the effectiveness of said methods). In Protestant Theology God's punishment of HELL cannot be viewed simply as a MEANS of making His Children better because once one is in HELL, then there is NO WAY OUT. Eternal Torment with no hope of escape is certainly not a means of bettering the soul, as the soul is rendered helpless in terms of choice - choice is no longer possible for the damned. Thus, the punishment of Our Heavenly Father becomes not a means, but simply an ends in and of itself. Cruelty for the sake of Cruelty. |
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If you didn't cut and paste that rubbish you deserve a good beating. |
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To make me a better person, or to make you feel better? |
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