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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-05 19:40 [#01522921]
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to me, it is answered, but i am sure i did a lousy job of explaining my position. and even then, i don't expect anyone to be inclined to agree. sorry i couldn't help you arrive at your own conclusion, but hopefully you will one day.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-05 19:47 [#01522925]
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no, you explained it quite well infact, always nice to read your opinion!
"entertainment is like the equivalent of shutting your mind off and art is generally something that provokes reaction."
what sort of reaction did you have in mind? and also, doesn't every individual percepts those things different?
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-05 19:52 [#01522928]
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1. all sorts of reactions - every sort. big, small... there's no guidelines. i'm thinking in very broad terms.
2. yes, everyone's perception is different. it doesn't matter how something is percieved.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2005-03-05 20:02 [#01522933]
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you guys suck.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-05 20:04 [#01522934]
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[witty and playful retort]
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-05 20:07 [#01522938]
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can you enlighten us?
i don't want to suck for my whole life..
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-05 20:08 [#01522939]
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that's the one! correct answer!
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magicant
from Canada on 2005-03-05 21:19 [#01522961]
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i'd say music is art when it is inspired, created, and presented.
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subdeatechate
from San Francisco (United States) on 2005-03-06 01:16 [#01523010]
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What is art?
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uzim
on 2005-03-06 03:52 [#01523028]
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we know what music is, don't we...
i understand why we can wonder if it's art or not, but by doing this somehow we're trying to surrender to the dictature of words, classifications and precise definitions rather than to listen at what our hearts tell us. and music is something that touches our hearts, not just fucking math despite what some people want to believe (in my opinion at least).
classifying almost always apoverishes/simplifies the thing we're trying to classify. some things are unclassifiable, why not just accept it?
and now we're trying to find out whether music, which expresses by itself better than any words or definitions can (you know some feelings or ideas are better expressed with a picture, a movie, a piece of music, etc. than with words...), can fit in the "art" category which is not even defined! don't you think it's a bit absurd? : )
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-06 07:35 [#01523175]
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haha, yes, i agree with you completly.. i couldn't care less if a piece of music is considered art or not, if it's something i like, i'll listen to it and enjoy it no matter what..
but for instance, when it comes to that governament support for certain artists - who are they to judge on who deserves the artistic status and who doesn't..i was more interested in it from that perspective..but yes, i suppose this question really is absurd.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-06 07:40 [#01523182]
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we have some government-funded art galleries here... they are censored whenever somebody is offended by the art.
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-06 07:44 [#01523192]
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you'd be surprised (in a bad way) to hear music from some artists our governament funds..
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-06 07:47 [#01523200]
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well, how would a government be able to tell which projects to fund? a bunch of politicians decide? or they have a "committee"?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-06 07:53 [#01523205]
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i think they have a committee, yes.. they also give out several cultural awards every year, mostly named after famous poets and writers, so i suppose you need a few of those to get picked for governament funding..but people in those committees have no taste in music :D
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-06 07:55 [#01523208]
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how can i get slovenia to fund my next conceptual art piece: "the vacation to a sunny place"?
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tolstoyed
from the ocean on 2005-03-06 07:58 [#01523209]
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make it as cheesy and stupid as possible, that should do it.
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2005-03-06 08:09 [#01523220]
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oh fuck. i wrote something elaborate and hilarious and now it's lost.
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obara
from Utrecht on 2005-03-06 14:46 [#01523670]
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very interesting topic. but tallyho is right.
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