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awesome, i'll buy it without even thinking. |
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They've had a long and prolific career... BoC have been around since 1982 (in various forms). I wouldn't be surprised if the BoCet had the best from all their pre-Twoism releases, a dash of the Old Tunes, and other stuff we never knew existed, all on 2-3 CDs. The new album will be amazing... so I've been told (and I don't doubt it for one bit). |
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i look forward to hearing it. hopefuly it won't be much longer, but i imagine it will be worth it. ;] |
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fair enough, but they've only actually released two and a half albums and a few singles as BOC, this is hardly prolific, and if you delete all the fillers you're left with about 1 album of decent music. Don't get me wrong I love the good BOC tracks but ever since seeing that BMW advert I've been a bit suspicious of their motives. |
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What do you think their motives are exactly??? |
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Money |
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Hmmm, well... They have been doing this for at least 15 years so, you if you were doing it for that long wouldn't you like a little bit of money? I mean if it is going to enable you to spend more time writing music then that is all good surely? Regardless of what you think of the quality of their albums some people would like them to carry on doing what they are doing. So i for one advocate them doing something like this. I am not sure if i would personally but it was their decision. |
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god damnit they are people trying to live, and maximize their time doing what they want. the end. |
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there's a difference between making money to live and pure greed, BOC have enough fans to enable them to make music for however long they want to (and I do count myself as one of them) However allowing your "art" to be used for something as cheap as selling cars is just plain greedy and hypocritical too when you consider that BOC also wrote "Energy Warning". |
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tell us how you support yourself, and stuff that dildo back up your ass. |
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The fact that it was done pre-energy warning, maybe that is a sign of regret. That is stretching it a bit however. |
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post "energy warning" I believe? The advert was screened after the second album came out. |
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Oh... Well in which case i have no idea then. Although i like to look at what is important which is the music, i will however concede that it is a little strange. I could also say that, they would be able to get more money if they released more, which is a much better way of doing things. People do what they do however. |
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I agree it's the music that counts and I really love many BOC tracks but the beauty of it can't help but be a little tainted when you consider the more corporate side of their activities. Still if the boxset ain't too expensive I might be able to forgive em a little. |
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I think maybe that they had something that they needed the money for. Who knows? Not our buisiness either. I am looking forward to this release very much!!! |
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I settled this gay dispute ten posts previously. |
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Ok whatever you say, you are the boss after all... |
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breastesses |
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Putting fans off by doing crass adverts is hardly "maximizing their time doing what they want" is it? |
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ok cool, let them either live in their parent's basement or spend their time at a regular job, than practice making music and getting cash for it. |
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BoC is all about the music. Companys buy their music for use in commercials because people like you, who like the music, exist and they are trying to target you. Good luck to anyone selling their music for use in adverts, provided their album quality is high I have no complaints. |
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Very well put lee... Wish i had thought of it. |
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You don't get me, they have enough fans to make plenty of money, I alone bought two copies of "Music has the Right". But by whoring their music out to the highest bidder they are effectivly the pimps of electronica, I hate adverts and I deliberatley try and avoid anythjing to do with them. I don't want to be "targetted" like some souless robot and the fact that BOC are involved in that upsets me a little. |
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So you also dislike Aphex a lot too for his whoring? In fact I beleive Aphex has 'whored' his music to a lot more places than BoC. |
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Damn Right, Aphex is the biggest pimp of the lot |
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Why do you have a problem with talented musicians getting money from advertising? Would you prefer the money to just stay with the talentless pop pricks who have no talent and yet make more in a year than the likes of BoC will make in their entire career? They have families to feed, kids to look after...good luck to them and you can live in your little fantasy world where money flows freely for niche artists purely from sales. |
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Because advertising is the lowest of the low, ever read "the curious incident of the dog in the nightime"? there's a bit when the main character describes adverts as vehicles to "make you buy things" , which is bang on really. I don't want my favourite music cheapened by such blatent commercialism, in my ideal world there would be no adverts, the fact that the money would go to talentless pop pricks instead is irrelevant, it's still an evil medium to promote your music within. Films and Television are just about O.k. but adverts, no way. |
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adverts are designed to "make you buy things"?...Shit I just thought they were there to show nice pretty pictures and music. Adverts, even though they are primarily aimed at selling you a product(s) are valid sources of art in themselves. If you are strong enough not to rush out and buy Tampax just because you saw an advert for them, then you should be able to appreciate some of the artistic effort that goes into them. |
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I think there's a certain irony in the fact that Boc, who sampled TV so heavily, have now given something back to TV :). I take it you know they have written music specifically for adverts, as well as licensed stuff? Is music/advertising a bad thing when it means more tracks for us? |
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I can't appreciate the art behind them when I know the ulterior motive is to get me to buy a product, as I said I don't appreciate being "targetted" by anyone or anything when the sole objective is to strip me of my cash. "Art" for me is about a lot more than financial gain and let's face it if your art centres around (more often than not) bigging up a product so people buy it then I'm not interested, it's just so shallow. |
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At every stage of the product life cycle people are making money regardless of whether the music is involved in adverts or not. The whole process of sending out promos, running competitions etc has fuck all to do with the art, but is more focused on prospective unit sales. Warp make a profit from BoC releasing on Warp, otherwise BoC wouldn''t be on Warp. I don't know if you have ever heard C.R.E.A.M. but "Cash Rules Everything Around Me" is a fact of life, if you let non ,music factors spoil your enjoyment of the music then I am afraid you are the one being shallow. |
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I wasn't aware that they had written music specifically for adverts, this I guess is slightly better than just pimping your tracks out, what were the adverts? I'm also aware that music always has and always will be used to sell stuff (songs like "hot crossed buns" spring to mind) but let's face it, most television adverts ultimately champion stereotypes, false dreams and lies-not good. |
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I don't have a problem with people making money from their music, I'm not that naive, I just have a problem with it being used in advertising, to reiterate, advertising is at best a coercian and at worst total lies. |
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That's what media is all about. Any media. TV and Movies are exactly the same. |
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Oh, and I have a problem with greed too, as I said before there is a difference between making a living and blatent commercialism. |
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Unless there is heavy product placement going on I wouldn't really class films or T.V to be like adverts. |
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have you ever seen italian advert by telecom italia? ;) i hope so directed by cunningham and music by boc |
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I think boc are far away from commercialism. |
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In a musical sense perhaps, although their sound is a lot more popular than a lot of you seem to give credit for, but the fact they do adverts makes them prone to commercialism surely? |
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sounds like a nightmare, I'd like to hear the track but no way do I wanna see the advert. |
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No i am fully aware of how popular their sound is and it dosen't bother me. If anything this remix they are doing for beck will bring to a wider audience than that any of those adverts they did. |
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was that the track? not exactly their best if my be so bold, maybe it's the crappy speakers on my work computer. |
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Well Beck is a great artist so yeah!, I liked the mix they did for Clouddead as well. |
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I think the mix they did for clouddead was one of the best remixes ever. |
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What is it??? |
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One of the best I've heard for a while certainly, better than the original track as well which isn't usually the case. I normally hate most remixes (cynical sod ain't I) but hats off to BOC for doing a goodun. |
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And the unused Levi's advert... |
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Hmm.. Advertising is certainly not the same as all TV and certainly not film. And everything is relative, music like all other art forms does not exist in a bubble. 'Non music factors' always have and always will have a profound effect on the way and extent to which we value it. I think.. having your music in a car advert, of all things, when your 'energy warning' conscious BoC.. is hypocritical. They may have had no say in it though, contracts being what they are. Though obviously they signed the contracts in the first place.. I bet they made a fortune too, if i'm not mistaken they get paid everytime it's shown. As for thw wutangism.. C.R.E.A.M.. yeah, that's capiltalism (simplified grossly, infact there is nowhere that applies, there is always law and social norms based on other value factors, at least to some extent..) However, no one is obliged to take money from whoever offers it, just because they do. Ethics and choice still exist.. At least I like to think so.. |
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didn't know about that one. you know where to get it? |
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