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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 15:32 [#01340780]
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earth, you are retarded. stop posting in this thread
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:25 [#01340849]
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Seriously, I haven't met many people who when they are obviously UNINFORMED on a topic to a professional level, that they sit here and instead of asking questions as to WHY I feel this way, instead they pounce on offensive remarks and comments.
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earthleakage
from tell the world you're winning on 2004-09-20 17:27 [#01340851]
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which is probably why you enjoy it so much you stupid fucking elitist cocksucking muthfucka excuse for a human being
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:31 [#01340853]
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Earth,
"so far as i can ascertain, to you the most important aspect
of your hobby is not the enjoyment of taking the picture, not the enjoyment of looking at your own art, but that people giving you recognition for something which looks good
just because you used a camera that is, to you expensive, whatever that means. expensive is a relative term and thus in this circumstance is meaningless."
Simple referring to the fact that I am not willing to afford many of my savings towards lenses that are of a rediculous value, does not in any way make my current photos and how I deal with my current equipment; do not in any way make them better simply because the eq. cost more.
Sheesh. And I bet you are saying you can get these shots with a simple point-and-shoot camera. Ok, please back it.
There is a reason why you have to spend money on QUALITY glass. There is a reason why you spend money for certain features on a camera. And there is reason why certain "fast" lenses cost more. I am doing this for a hobby, yes...but like msot hobbies, things (equipment, gear) can get expensive. Like climbing, hiking, etc....and soon I would like to start selling some of my artwork.
I get quite a bit of it blown up on 20x30" posters now. I need the sharpness of an expensive lens to look nice when it is blown up to that size.
You also need a fast lens (lower # aperature) when doing shooting in dim or low lighting.
Also, certain cameras perform better at higher ISOs, and produce a less noisy picture.
There are many things ... and photography is not an easy hobby or profession.
I hope you can understand this, and understand my frustration when you make comments like that.
It's like someone saying "you bought Reason, or this _______ sound equipment" only to make tracks and post them on XLR for people to listen to.
: /
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:32 [#01340855]
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Ahh, so now I'm an elitest...exactely.. Sigh, good day sir....
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:34 [#01340857]
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I'm not bragging about the equipment i have, I am bragging about the equipment I _don't_ have. I hope you can see that.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-09-20 17:35 [#01340858]
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yeah, exactely.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:36 [#01340860]
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Weatherd Stoner,
"For starters, who the hell wants to take 5 8MP in a second.
Absolutely frivilous.
Maybe you can tell a difference in detail, but because the amount would be so insignificant that it doesnt matter because no one would even care.
I dont need different lenses anyways, my camera has options
to customize depending on the setting anyways. "
Ok, tell this to any professsional or just amatuer photographer.....FPS matters. Write time matters ...
Please, describe to me the features your camera can do that outweigh the need or fact for switching between lenses.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-09-20 17:40 [#01340862]
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hey if phobia was here he could get technical on cameras then ban some people.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-09-20 17:41 [#01340864]
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Well i have questions.
You are talking about glass lenses. What is the norm and what is the difference with what you have now.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:42 [#01340865]
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weathered,
"whatever, you dont need all that shit to take decent digital
photos."
This I can agree with. You don't need $$$ to take a good photo. But when it comes to stepping up to the next level, and looking to get a shot...there are certain lenses and equipment you need to get that certain "shot" that you picture in your head. Thanks for reading.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:45 [#01340867]
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When it comes to SLR cameras, you don't have a single lens to work with. Lenses are interchangable....
For example, you are shooting buildings or architechure downtown in a city. .... you can't exactly "step way back" to fit the shot in your viewfinder....the focal length of your lens might not be short enough. instead, you can get a wide or ultra wide lens to handle that.
Then, each lens works at a different speed .... aperature ... which determines the amount of light that is let in, and in turn the depth of field.
If you can open the lens wide open, so to 1.8 or 1.4 f-stop, you can SEVERELY limit the depth of field. You can get extremely dreamy bokeh to really bring your object to focus.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-09-20 17:46 [#01340868]
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to say that detail is not an important factor in photography is a bit weird i think weatheredstoner....
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:47 [#01340870]
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"hey if phobia was here he could get technical on cameras
then ban some people. "
I'm not saying I know everything about photography, only enough to know that there are certain equipment for each type of application and or shot (lighting, landscape etc) that you are looking to take.
instead of just saying "oh this point and shoot camera does everything anyone could ever need"
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hobbes
from age on 2004-09-20 17:49 [#01340873]
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i mean gursky doesn't use a disposable, sheesh.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:52 [#01340875]
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Paco,
I just received my 16mm and with the 1.6x it's really not as much as I hoped for.
Now I really want that 1.3 because the 1.6 is starting to become a slight hassel.
But it is def. nice on the long end :)
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Mertens
from Motor City (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:52 [#01340877]
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Hi everybody!
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-09-20 17:54 [#01340878]
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are all lenses glass or does the material vary?
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-09-20 17:59 [#01340882]
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jesus fucking god. elusive is totally correct here. photography is a very expensive hobby, and, especially in the digital market, the more money you spend = the better equipment you get, the better pictures you'll ultimately be able to take.
the cheapest digital slr is 1000 dollars. thats quite expensive, but you need an SLR camera in order to have any control over what you're doing.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 17:59 [#01340883]
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virgin, sorry.
by glass...it's like slang for a lens....
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hobbes
from age on 2004-09-20 18:09 [#01340891]
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yes i would like a "phase one h25" , but then again i could buy a small island instead.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-09-20 18:14 [#01340892]
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oh ok gotcha! Sorry i dont really know anything about this stuff.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 18:17 [#01340893]
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Thanks for asking....it usually gets your question answered quite a fair bit quicker than if you would have taken the offense.
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virginpusher
from County Clare on 2004-09-20 18:19 [#01340895]
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You should take some evening pics. I stood on an overpass and shot the cars. It looks cool but i cant find the pic. Evening shots can be nice! :)
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 18:35 [#01340903]
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Yeah I do that quite a bit. I live close to a few nice highways and overpasses so when the temp is right, me and a buddy try to get out shootin'.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-09-20 18:49 [#01340909]
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"to say that detail is not an important factor in photography
is a bit weird i think weatheredstoner...."
I didn't say that.
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weatheredstoner
from same shit babes. (United States) on 2004-09-20 18:51 [#01340910]
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For starters, lemme state that I'm no expert and that I just rely on my eyes to judge things of this sort of nature.
My point is this: If someone wants to spend thousands of dollars on something they want because they think it'll give them better results, then thats fine. But if I create something on par with that person without spending that much money then thats what I'll do. To me it just seems like overkill.
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hobbes
from age on 2004-09-20 18:59 [#01340922]
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ok that's that sorted then.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 19:07 [#01340925]
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That's fine, weathered, and you sure as hell create great pics with a point and shoot camera...ive been doing it for years.
But now that i've experienced SLR and different types of lenses...it's a whole new world I never really knew about.
I'm just trying to open you up to that idea....once yuo start using professional eq. and different types of lenses, you will be blown away by the difference....and never be able to go back.
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elusive
from detroit (United States) on 2004-09-20 19:08 [#01340927]
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""to say that detail is not an important factor in photography is a bit weird i think weatheredstoner...."
I didn't say that."
from above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
"For starters, who the hell wants to take 5 8MP in a second.
Absolutely frivilous.
Maybe you can tell a difference in detail, but because the amount would be so insignificant that it doesnt matter because no one would even care.
I dont need different lenses anyways, my camera has options
to customize depending on the setting anyways. "
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