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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-16 22:10 [#01337461]
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i think that accesibility is a debatable topic, whats more or less accesible if its just plain out good, take windowlicker, that is the most accesible track there is, but its a dam fine track and just because it gets more people to like this type of music, does not mean that its accesible destroys the fact that it is a great song.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-16 22:11 [#01337464]
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i think that aswell
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-16 22:14 [#01337467]
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-16 22:18 [#01337469]
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speaking of great stuff, maybe not new, i am getting more and more into phoenecia these days, i like music, especially theirs.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-16 22:20 [#01337470]
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well that was my first intent,lol.
the media accessibility and ohw does it reflect on teh music industry
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-16 22:23 [#01337471]
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well, i think the cream will always rise to the top so to speak, basically you either got it or you suck, this is independent of the methods you use, granted if you put the time in to learn a program, you are going to be a wiz on it, but some people just have a gift/are musical geniuses.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-09-16 22:26 [#01337472]
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so we're talking ability to access music 'physically' rather than finding it interesting?
well then.
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-16 22:29 [#01337473]
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i see what you are saying that others can make seeminly complicated stuff, but only really tweek the stuff without being musical per se, i have listened to some of the spam on here, some of it sucks, and some of it is alright, but you know when you hear a track that is "good" or has something about it that is special, if you have listened to music, one can tell the difference.
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-16 22:29 [#01337474]
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took me a second too.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-16 22:38 [#01337478]
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haha,yeah true...
i'm thinking about the mass media fillage....u got all this products,media is pumping even faster.
one day u get arturia's mood modular,and the next one they give you CS80.
i mean,it's all good...i like that way and i like to hear more and more poeple get exposed,but i think that most of us really dunno that much about music and everything is gotten up to just tweaking presets and using sample packs.
i mean..what ever happened to the days when we heard the first plastikman or the first Ae or dunno who.
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-16 22:46 [#01337484]
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maybe you have a point, look at what happened with kurt cobain and guitars, everyone has a guitar, but can they really play a guitar, or are they just slapping a distortion on it and wailing it all to hell, good point.
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thecurbcreeper
from United States on 2004-09-16 22:59 [#01337496]
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just because there is more crap doesn't mean what's good isn't just as good as it would be. or less abundant.
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-16 23:03 [#01337498]
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what?!
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qrter
from the future, and it works (Netherlands, The) on 2004-09-16 23:04 [#01337499]
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it might be relevant at this point to mention that I skipped the 30 new messages since I last opened this thread.
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zaphod
from the metaverse on 2004-09-16 23:08 [#01337500]
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the analord is coming, prepare yourselves.
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-17 06:52 [#01337565]
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i am a big fan of aphex and his analogue stuff, but i think, at least for me, music is meant to be listened to, meaning, an artist makes something releases it, it gets digested and consummed by his audience, time for the next thing, this is really important in analogue v digital music, aphex made analogue stuff which blew everyone out of the water, he then made digital stuff, that blew everyone out of the water, now he is releasing stuff that will undoubtedly sound dated compared to his latest (drukqs, rdj), it will be good no doubt, but some people will be turned off by its sound. i love the track polynomial c, but compared to vordhosbn, it only holds up to a certain level before you say to yourself, okay i can tell this is older and this is newer.
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dogboy
from brighton (United Kingdom) on 2004-09-17 07:35 [#01337581]
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i think there is an idm scene, and there always will be. what happens is that the longer you listen to a specific genre, you get jaded, everything starts to sound the same, your favourite artists fail to deliver, even tho the release may be strong to a new(ish) pair of ears.
i have been listening to "idm" or as i like to call it "electronic music" for more than ten years ( i was born and bred in sheffield so i grew up with warp)....ae kinda bore me now (which is a shame) aphex the same.....its not that draft 7.30 or druqs are bad albums, far from it, i just found it a tad dull. i still hear good new artists (kiyo, fennese, telefone tel aviv, in the last year).
people bleat on about warp/skam/whoevers output dropping in quality....if i was running warp, i would want to do something different.
whatever, each day brings new people into the scene who enjoy it for a few years then find other things.there comes a point when you start listening to music, not genres.
how many of you see yourselves into this in five years time?
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mrgypsum
on 2004-09-17 07:52 [#01337597]
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good point, my tastes are always changing i think that was part of what i was trying to say below, music is meant to be digested and consummed then you move on, its the nature of the beast.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-17 09:34 [#01337731]
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idd...i'm also constantly evolving in music,which is a good thing,cos it makes you appreciate music on a whole different level.
let alone speak about production...
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r40f
from qrters tea party on 2004-09-17 09:53 [#01337767]
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"what are your thoughts about it and do you feel that media
accesibility somewhat destroyed the so called idm?"
it's a fact that idm has been co-opted to an extent and regurgitated as, literally, commercial music. there are plenty of car commercials, mtv jingles, etc imitating the style of aphex or other artists.
i think it was inevitable for it to happen as quickly as it did, because the more accessible a form of art is, the faster it will be commercialized and sold to the mass markets. that much is obvious - we wouldn't expect a commercial with soundtrack by merzbow.
the music on rdj and on plaid, lfo albums, squarepusher, etc, much of it is already masses-friendly if presented in the right way. it was just a matter of time before it would be twisted the way it has.
and i certainly don't like it any more than anyone else - it's very obnoxious, but that's what happens with art in an mtv-culture. that's the way we should expect it will be from now on.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-17 10:07 [#01337775]
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yeah,my point also...
and mrgypsum also draw a good explanation with the cobain!
ace
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2004-09-17 11:01 [#01337826]
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i think u r all right
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-17 14:47 [#01338134]
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xltronic presents the righteous cunts volume 01
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Jocco
from Banned! Free Jocco! (United States) on 2004-09-17 15:57 [#01338229]
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Quit making money you greedy bastards!
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oxygenfad
from www.oxygenfad.com (Canada) on 2004-09-17 16:20 [#01338247]
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They hype up something so then they can sell it. The cycle doesnt fucking stop at all. I think music is worse now then ever. All these COOL bands ... yeah right meng. It's all indy cash in walmart punk bull shyt.
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plaster
from splitska 10 on 2004-09-17 20:46 [#01338502]
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hmm..are we getting to the awful truth?
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weltact
from Taiwan on 2004-09-22 20:13 [#01342932]
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theres no good music without good cunts cunts is what music industry is all about
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