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addiction is the key element you are missing, you lose control and become addicted. drugs alter your state of mind, they control you. you cannot relate them to anything such as books, movies, web sites, porn, all of these things will not take hold of you the way that drugs will. |
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maybe i see them as the same |
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thats not entirely true. tv, porn, movies, music, any kind of media can become addictive in the same manner as a drug and can lead to self destructive behavior. it just doesn't happen very often. at the end of the day, it always comes down to the individual, and alot of people are prone to drug addiction for whatever reasons. |
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i thought of this when i was posting my reply, but drugs take it a step further i think, tell me if i am wrong, but to me there is someting more destructing in abusing weed than tv addiction or something. maybe not sex addiction though, good point on that. |
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i'm sure its been scientifically proven that weed or any hard drug for that matter is quite a bit more dangerous than television, but the sort of mind numbing effects seem to be the same. |
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the only thing that seperates tv, chocolate, cigarette, sexual, etc... addiction from "drug" addiction is the legallity. you may think it's silly, because nobody kills someone for chocolate... but, make it illegal and i guarantee people will be dying. the street value of chocolate will go through the roof, and a blackmarket will develop. it is the fact that "drugs" are illegal is what makes them so dangerous. |
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i am done on this one, chocolate does not change your state of mind, i can operate machinery after i eat chocolate, so they are diff, but i see what you are saying, all i am saying is the harder drugs should not be legal. |
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they are different, of course... i thought we were talking about addiction. however, my point is that there are already laws against operating machinery while under the influence. if someone is caught doing this they should be punished... but, i shouldn't be punished because there is a possibility that i may operate machinery while under the influence. |
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you mean like |
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what about anti-depressants that have a suicide side-effect? should those be illegal too? suddently weed and other recreational drug use doesn't seem so bad. |
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no, not prescription stuff, i am talking about crack, heroin, coke... |
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your opinion is not wrong, i am not attacking the way you look at this, what i am saying is that certain drugs should remain illegal |
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and i always thought anythign had the potential for addiction. liek rape? murder? cutting? food? obesity is the number 1 cause of death in the USA. should food be illegal? it's obviously a huge addiction. it's not about the substances, it's about the people who use them. making a substance illegal will fix someone's appeal for addiction. and doing drugs now and then does not make you addicted. i don't care how much meth, or coke you've done.. you dont become automatically addicted. it goes deeper than that. |
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but some prescription drugs ARE coke and crack and meth. where do you draw the line? when someone does a few lines at parties? or when you raise you're child on meth for his whole life and wonder why he's so fucked up and can't function normally in society? |
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er 'will not fix someone's appeal for addiction." |
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you know what, lets stick with drugs, you are arguing in terms of ideas, not about reality. you are bleeding ideas together, society is not run on rational rules, its not a scale you should balance across the board. |
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this whole issue is very far from being black and white. there are sooo many different aspects to consider. and knowing the organization that has create laws about this gray issue is 99% concerned about the size of his and his friends pockets.. well that's just plain scary. |
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ideas? um.. as far i know, all those 'ideas' ARE reality. why don't you go do some research.. you know, check out some stats and such. |
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and what i'm trying to say is that making drugs illegal creates FAR more problems than it solves. |
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read the reply i made hear for my opinions on the current us drug policy. |
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so propose a system that will eliminate some of the problems. |
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we're treated like monkeys.. like babies. like when McDonalds stop serving supersized food. i mean, there's plenty of gasoline around we know not to dirnk it. but what do you expect.. when you're treated like a baby for all you're life, you'll act like one. so, maybe if the role of daddy changed a bit.. there wouldn't be so many babies running around. |
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mm and you know how much babies love candy! |
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omg i'm bored. i think i've already typed all this in 5 other drug threads. anyone wanna bump? |
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i dislike the current us drug policy, read I DO NOT AGREE WITH IT but i think nations like holland, take a too liberal view on drugs. something in the middle would be the best. |
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your sarcasm for the human race is astounding. |
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- legalize drugs. - regulate their use like we currently do hard liquor. this will create vast sums of revenue for the gov't. - invest that extra money in education, REAL scientific research into the effects of said drugs, and social programs. - enforce laws that already exist. |
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everything she's said so far has been right on. |
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sound kind of like leftist elitism if you ask me. |
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ohh la la astounding. i wish i knew what that meant.. if only i paid attention in english class instead of smoking crack with my chem teacher in the washroom. |
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"so propose a system that will eliminate some of the problems. " i already did! check it out: drugs should be decriminalized so that - there aren't jails filled with sick people who can't control the crimes they commit. - there are no more drug-related crimes. - there are no more illegal drugs coming in and therefore no more drug dealers or drug market. all this while simultaneously spending money to set up drug rehab programs that actually work (this has been done in successful tests in some european countries) and education to prevent people from taking the drugs. |
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what is elitist about anything that's been said in this thread so far? |
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i dont remember saying you werent a smart person, where in my post did i say anything to the contrary but you are writing some people as if most of them are stupid and childish. |
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but what do you expect.. when you're treated like a baby for all you're life, you'll act like one. so, maybe if the role of daddy changed a bit.. there wouldn't be so many babies running around. |
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McDonalds was forced to get rid of their supersizing because most of America is obese and that is the leading cause of death. That says it all. |
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i am done |
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oh and i wasn't saying that you said i wasn't smart.. i was just continuing with my astounding sarcasm. :) |
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that's not elitism. that's calling the government out on the fact that they treat us like children by telling us what we are and are not allowed to consume in the privacy of our own homes. |
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you're done a lot of times. it's okay, don't run or be done. don't you like to have your intellect challenged? i do. that's why arguing and debating is fun fun fun! |
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there you go, what does that mean though, so its food, so what, people like food, but that does mean they are children because they like more, no we need to survive and hey it is marketed down our throats. maybe brainwashed but by no means less intelligent than either you or me. |
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see, you just said it but didn't figure it out. brainwashed, told what to do, forced to be consumer whores, taught to over-consume... kinda like school eh? |
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i think you're misunderstanding. you're treated like a child by the gov't when they tell you that you cannot have a big fry because you'll get fat. |
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i should be able to make that decision on my own. the problem is a lack of education... and, i DO believe that proper education is the gov'ts responsibility. |
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no, if you have a family and are providing for them you have to be a consumer, its easy to become brainwashed into certain things, that pop culture. people naturally do what their neighbors do, coerced or not. |
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...or, at least an adequate education. of course, much of the responsibility lies with the parents... but, it's hard for them to teach proper values and priorities when they themselves were poorly educated. |
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not even necesarily having a family, just being a person in a societly like the us's, you can become brainwashed without even knowing it. |
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there's a difference between being a consumer and being a consumer whore. it's easy to be brainwashed into things.. BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A DADDY CHILD TYPE SOCIETY. that is why it is easy to be brainwashed. we are intensely repressed and treated like children. what do you expect?? |
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even johnny phd might like his fries supersized, even he is behaving as a consumer, example, when i was in college i hate SUV's, they represented all that i hated about the us and consumerism and excess as soon as i started a family and all that jazz, i find myself more and more needing a vehicle with the capabilities of an SUV, have i been brainwashed, yes and no, i am smart enough to know i dont really need one, but i do need one because my family has increased in size, thus i need more space and all that stuff, |
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dude, you're not listening. this isn't about consuming.. that was an example. you're side tracking. |
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i agree with this except for the last part. |
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